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    The Establishment Doesn’t Fear Trump, And It Doesn’t Fear Bernie. It Fears You.

    By Caitlin Johnstone
    CaitlinJohnstone.com
    January 29, 2020


    During the George W Bush administration it was popular in conspiracy circles to speculate that events might be orchestrated which would allow the Bush family to complete a coup against the US Constitution and hold on to power indefinitely.

    Such paranoia and suspicion of government power in the wake of the extraordinary post-9/11 advancements in Orwellian surveillance programs and unprecedented military expansionism were perfectly understandable, but predictions that the younger Bush would not cede power at the end of his second term proved incorrect. In today’s hysterical Trump-centric political environment we now see mainstream voices in mainstream outlets openly advancing the same conspiratorial speculations about the current administration, and those will prove incorrect as well.

    What these paranoid presidential prognostications get wrong is not their extreme suspicion of government, but their assumption that America’s real power structures require a certain president to be in place in order to advance depraved totalitarian agendas. As anyone paying attention knows, intense suspicion of the US government is the only sane position that anyone can possibly have; the error is in assuming that there is no mechanism in place to ensure that the same agendas carry forward from one presidential administration to the next.


    Schiff dwelling on the fact that Trump departed from the talking points prepared for him by national security officials so he could act “contrary to official US policy,” which is to “deter Russian adventurism.” Glad to know even the president is not permitted to change US policy

    — Michael Tracey (@mtracey) January 23, 2020



    In a sense, the conspiracy theories about a Bush coup were actually correct: the Bush administration didn’t truly end. All of its imperialist, power-serving agendas remained in place and were expanded under the apparent oversight of the following administration. The same thing happened after the Obama administration, and the same thing–whether in 2021 or 2025–will happen after the Trump administration. The disturbing fact of the matter is that if you ignore election dates and just look at the numbers and raw data of US government behavior over the years, you can’t really tell who is president or which political party is in power at any given point in time.

    The mechanism which ensures the perpetuation of the same policies from administration to administration used to be referred to by analysts as the “deep state”, back before Trump and his supporters hijacked that term and began using it to essentially mean something like “Democrats and anyone who doesn’t like Trump”. Originally the term deep state referred not to one political party, nor to some shadowy cabal of Illuminati or Satanists or reptilians, but to the simple and undeniable fact that unelected power structures exist and tend to influence America’s official elected government. It wasn’t a conspiracy theory, it was a concept used in political analysis to describe how US government agencies and plutocrats form loose alliances with each other and with official Washington to influence government policy and behavior.

    It is inevitable that such a permanent second government would exist in the current iteration of the United States, if you think about it. It’s impossible to have a globe-spanning empire of the sort America now has without long-term plans spanning years or decades for securing control of world resources, undermining rivals, securing more compliant allies, and ensuring military and economic hegemony. If the US were a normal nation which simply minded its own affairs, a permanent government wouldn’t be necessary. But because it isn’t, one is.

    I very seldom use the term deep state anymore, because its meaning in mainstream discourse has been completely corrupted. Now when I want to point to America’s permanent unelected power structures I usually use the word “oligarchy” or “empire”, or simply “establishment”.



    This is why I haven’t been especially focused on the US presidential race, despite the Democratic primaries hitting fever pitch intensity. While I believe the race can be a useful tool for forcing establishment propagandists to expose themselves (virulent “never Trump” neocon Bret Stephens just came out in support of Trump if the Democratic nominee is anyone to the left of Pete Buttigeig, for example), the result of the 2020 election isn’t going to change a whole hell of a lot.

    This might be a bit offensive to both Trump supporters and Sanders supporters, but it’s true.

    Whenever I point out that the current administration has been advancing many longstanding agendas of the CIA and neoconservative war pigs–agendas like military expansionism, imprisoning Assange, regime change interventionism in Iran and Venezuela, and reigniting the Cold War–his supporters always come in saying “If he’s working for the establishment how come the establishment is working so hard to get rid of him, huh?”

    Well, for starters, they’re not. Nobody who can count Senate seats believes Trump will be removed from office in the current impeachment sideshow, and everyone who understood Russiagate knew it was going to dead-end at nothing. If they really wanted Trump gone they wouldn’t be pussyfooting around with a bunch of kayfabe combat that they know will never hurt him. Obviously he wasn’t the preferred 2016 choice of certain factions within the establishment, but there are mechanisms in place to ensure that the empire can tick right along with a less-than-ideal president in the White House.

    This will also hold true if Sanders miraculously makes his way through another rigged primary, and then through whatever sabotage gets thrown his way in the general election. Sure he might be able to sign a few somewhat beneficial executive orders and we probably wouldn’t see him flirting with an Iran war, but US imperialism will march on more or less unimpeded and his popular progressive domestic policies would require congress to successfully implement. At best he’d be a mild reformer who uses the bully pulpit to help spread awareness while being narrative managed on all sides by the billionaire media, and any changes he manages to squeak through which inconvenience the establishment at all will be reversed by a subsequent administration.


    Huge anti-government protests happening now in Iran? Russia? Hong Kong?

    Nope. It’s #Paris, #France, today.

    So it won’t be plastered everywhere across mainstream media. #YellowVests #GiletsJaunes #greve25janvier pic.twitter.com/Uss6beX54N

    — Sarah Abdallah (@sahouraxo) January 25, 2020


    Obviously the establishment would rather have someone in the White House who doesn’t constantly put an ugly face on the empire by accidentally exposing its mechanics all the time as Trump does, and obviously it would rather have an incompetent oaf like Trump in office than someone who actively points out the evils of oligarchy and imperialism like Sanders. But the establishment which runs the US-centralized empire is not afraid of Trump, and it is not afraid of Sanders. It’s afraid of you.

    The unelected power establishment has ways of ensuring its dominance amid the comings and goings of America’s official elected government; they are perfectly capable of dealing with one man being a less than ideal steward of the empire. What they absolutely cannot deal with, at all, is the prospect of ordinary people finally rising up and using the power of their numbers to force real change. That is what they are really fighting against when they try to sabotage populist candidates: not the candidates themselves, but populism itself.

    You wouldn’t know it from reading the billionaire media, but the Yellow Vests protests in France are still going on and have remained widespread for more than a year now. This lack of coverage is partially due to the fact that establishment narrative managers are responsible for conveying the idea that the only governments whose citizens dislike them are those which haven’t been absorbed into the imperial blob like China and Iran. But it’s also because the propagandists don’t want us getting any ideas.

    The reason the propagandists work so hard to manufacture the consent of the governed is because they absolutely do require that consent. If enough people decide that the status quo isn’t working for them and begin rising up to force it to change, there’s not really anything the establishment can do to stop them. Right now the only thing keeping people from rising up in this way is the fact that they’ve been successfully propagandized not to, and the propagandists intend to keep it that way.

    But eyes are beginning to open. If real change is coming, it will come from there. Not from electing anyone president, but from a large-scale awakening to the reality of our situation. The only thing standing in the way is a thin layer of narrative fluff.


    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/01/...-it-fears-you/
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)



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    The Deep State fears us because they know that if American people were brave enough we'd be able to overthrow them easily.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    The Deep State fears us because they know that if American people were brave enough we'd be able to overthrow them easily.
    To me the Deep State is the ignorant, sleeping, misguided people, who shun at the idea of actually learning. And shills who propagate the propaganda.

    No president will End the FedDeptEd. Not even a mention. Including king trump.

    So, dumber and dumber the people get. And a One World government we all get.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    It is inevitable that such a permanent second government would exist in the current iteration of the United States, if you think about it. It’s impossible to have a globe-spanning empire of the sort America now has without long-term plans spanning years or decades for securing control of world resources, undermining rivals, securing more compliant allies, and ensuring military and economic hegemony. If the US were a normal nation which simply minded its own affairs, a permanent government wouldn’t be necessary. But because it isn’t, one is.

    I very seldom use the term deep state anymore, because its meaning in mainstream discourse has been completely corrupted. Now when I want to point to America’s permanent unelected power structures I usually use the word “oligarchy” or “empire”, or simply “establishment”.
    That’s about it. But it’s even more than the entrenched permanent government bureaucrat class. There are revolving doors and strong connections beyond that. Eisenhower called it the MIC. I call it the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex. That is the perpetual, integrated empire. “Establishment” is also a good term. “Kleptocracy” hints at the more malign nature of many of the interests involved.

    The reason the propagandists work so hard to manufacture the consent of the governed is because they absolutely do require that consent. If enough people decide that the status quo isn’t working for them and begin rising up to force it to change, there’s not really anything the establishment can do to stop them. Right now the only thing keeping people from rising up in this way is the fact that they’ve been successfully propagandized not to, and the propagandists intend to keep it that way.
    Ah, and there we have the revelation when it comes to Trump. Just an afterthought at the end of the article, yet key to understanding the entire article. Why does the establishment hate Trump? He essentially does what any other president would do, albeit in a drunken monkey fashion. Why the hate? Because he challenged the status quo, and he got enough dissatisfied voters to go along with him! Trump harnessed that anti-establishment rebellion that was waiting to come out. Everything he said was an assault on the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Globalist Complex. Such dissatisfaction can not be tolerated, even if in reality, Trump just keeps going along with the establishment program.

    Does this mean that Trump voters have become enlightened? No, not even close. It’s just a visceral attraction and reaction. And that makes Trump even more dangerous to The Complex. He can take his supporters in almost any direction. Luckily for The Complex, all Trump is really doing is taking us in the same direction that they wanted, but he is not following their timelines, carefully planned tactics and conditioning. His constant talk of America first is dangerous and intolerable to the Globalist Complex. Thus, they impeach him and attack him.

    Any hint at rebellion, against status quo and The Complex agenda, must be crushed. While Trump’s actions don’t represent that, his existence as a counter-establishment symbol can not stand. It ruins the carefully crafted conditioning of the masses.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    That’s about it. But it’s even more than the entrenched permanent government bureaucrat class. There are revolving doors and strong connections beyond that. Eisenhower called it the MIC. I call it the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex. That is the perpetual, integrated empire. “Establishment” is also a good term. “Kleptocracy” hints at the more malign nature of many of the interests involved.



    Ah, and there we have the revelation when it comes to Trump. Just an afterthought at the end of the article, yet key to understanding the entire article. Why does the establishment hate Trump? He essentially does what any other president would do, albeit in a drunken monkey fashion. Why the hate? Because he challenged the status quo, and he got enough dissatisfied voters to go along with him! Trump harnessed that anti-establishment rebellion that was waiting to come out. Everything he said was an assault on the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Globalist Complex. Such dissatisfaction can not be tolerated, even if in reality, Trump just keeps going along with the establishment program.

    Does this mean that Trump voters have become enlightened? No, not even close. It’s just a visceral attraction and reaction. And that makes Trump even more dangerous to The Complex. He can take his supporters in almost any direction. Luckily for The Complex, all Trump is really doing is taking us in the same direction that they wanted, but he is not following their timelines, carefully planned tactics and conditioning. His constant talk of America first is dangerous and intolerable to the Globalist Complex. Thus, they impeach him and attack him.

    Any hint at rebellion, against status quo and The Complex agenda, must be crushed. While Trump’s actions don’t represent that, his existence as a counter-establishment symbol can not stand. It ruins the carefully crafted conditioning of the masses.
    Trump is changing the direction, he just can't do it all at once with most of the government still in the swamp's pocket.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Trump is hated by the establishment the same way that Hulk Hogan hated Andre The Giant. Do people not realize that the evil “mainstream media” created this persona? Go watch The Apprentice.

    They hate him like they hate money and ratings. He hates them like he hates free publicity and business deals for his family and cronies.

    Agree with the article. Too bad they have us fighting for scaps in our big open air freedom camp instead. We must find a way to unite different ideologies in order to truly expose those who rob and oppress us rather than voting for them. Partisan thinking isn’t working, so stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    That’s about it. But it’s even more than the entrenched permanent government bureaucrat class. There are revolving doors and strong connections beyond that. Eisenhower called it the MIC. I call it the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex. That is the perpetual, integrated empire. “Establishment” is also a good term. “Kleptocracy” hints at the more malign nature of many of the interests involved.



    Ah, and there we have the revelation when it comes to Trump. Just an afterthought at the end of the article, yet key to understanding the entire article. Why does the establishment hate Trump? He essentially does what any other president would do, albeit in a drunken monkey fashion. Why the hate? Because he challenged the status quo, and he got enough dissatisfied voters to go along with him! Trump harnessed that anti-establishment rebellion that was waiting to come out. Everything he said was an assault on the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Globalist Complex. Such dissatisfaction can not be tolerated, even if in reality, Trump just keeps going along with the establishment program.

    Does this mean that Trump voters have become enlightened? No, not even close. It’s just a visceral attraction and reaction. And that makes Trump even more dangerous to The Complex. He can take his supporters in almost any direction. Luckily for The Complex, all Trump is really doing is taking us in the same direction that they wanted, but he is not following their timelines, carefully planned tactics and conditioning. His constant talk of America first is dangerous and intolerable to the Globalist Complex. Thus, they impeach him and attack him.

    Any hint at rebellion, against status quo and The Complex agenda, must be crushed. While Trump’s actions don’t represent that, his existence as a counter-establishment symbol can not stand. It ruins the carefully crafted conditioning of the masses.
    So are you part and parcel of the propaganda machine, or has cognitive dissonance simply consumed your entire skull?
    'I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag.'--Molly Ivins

    'Well, you can get no more liberty than you give.'--Will Rogers

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So are you part and parcel of the propaganda machine, or has cognitive dissonance simply consumed your entire skull?
    Glad you enjoyed a rational perspective on the situation.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
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    And I'm terrified of Bernie.

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    i'm not. i am more terrified by ww3 and/or the nuclear winter it triggers

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    I guess some folks are still waiting on the Kumbaya! moment where enough people on the left and right become disillusioned enough with the process to unite forces in an overwhelming strength necessary to alter the course of the nation. The establishment WOULD be afraid of that happening. IF they took it seriously, I suppose. I know I've abandoned such fanciful dreams. 2008 was fun and it woke a lot of people up, I can't deny that. But aside from wandering off into obscurity and circlejerking ourselves in seminars where we pay to hear things we already know, well, you can almost imagine the establishment shaking in their boots about us. /s

    It's more likely the nation ends up in another house-divided scenario at this point, and even that's pretty far-fetched because there's no longer any organized structure (state militias) for resistance, or clearly-defined regional differences. And no, I don't think libertopia rises to the top when SHTF.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 01-31-2020 at 12:20 PM.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Glad you enjoyed a rational perspective on the situation.
    I did, and I thank PAF and Caitlin Johnstone for it.

    It's just a shame it's so hard to stuff a rational perspective in sideways amongst the ocean of propaganda.

    You'd think rational perspective would be allowed one uninterrupted thread. Obviously not.
    'I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag.'--Molly Ivins

    'Well, you can get no more liberty than you give.'--Will Rogers

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I did, and I thank PAF and Caitlin Johnstone for it.

    It's just a shame it's so hard to stuff a rational perspective in sideways amongst the ocean of propaganda.

    You'd think rational perspective would be allowed one uninterrupted thread. Obviously not.
    My post was in agreement with Caitlin Johnstone. It’s a shame you have to lash out at anyone who doesn’t agree with you 100% on everything.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    i'm not. i am more terrified by ww3 and/or the nuclear winter it triggers
    Bernie hasn't said he'd sic the DOJ on you, personally, for doing your job.

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    AF.... i am trying not to vote for a total idiot this time around. this might be impossible for me.
    both sides of this have their lil moments where they have Boss Tweed looking like a living saint.

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    at one point, shortly after 911 and before or after our incursion into Iraq, i took out a small lil ole loan.
    i found myself signing a loyalty oath, which was just short of to the noble Shrub's wise person, at the time.
    it was to duty, honor,,, country. our war on terror. indeedy. not since grade school, have i deeply pledged thusly.
    had i a gov't or private industry job, and i was very good at it, i'd actually have no fear. i am true grit. truly.
    attitude city. bring it on. try to complain about me and not sound or be stupid. as folks here know, wisely.



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    Whenever I point out that the current administration has been advancing many longstanding agendas of the CIA and neoconservative war pigs–agendas like military expansionism, imprisoning Assange, regime change interventionism in Iran and Venezuela, and reigniting the Cold War–his supporters always come in saying “If he’s working for the establishment how come the establishment is working so hard to get rid of him, huh?”

    Well, for starters, they’re not. Nobody who can count Senate seats believes Trump will be removed from office in the current impeachment sideshow, and everyone who understood Russiagate knew it was going to dead-end at nothing. If they really wanted Trump gone they wouldn’t be pussyfooting around with a bunch of kayfabe combat that they know will never hurt him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Ah, and there we have the revelation when it comes to Trump. Just an afterthought at the end of the article, yet key to understanding the entire article. Why does the establishment hate Trump? He essentially does what any other president would do, albeit in a drunken monkey fashion. Why the hate? Because he challenged the status quo, and he got enough dissatisfied voters to go along with him! Trump harnessed that anti-establishment rebellion that was waiting to come out. Everything he said was an assault on the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Globalist Complex. Such dissatisfaction can not be tolerated, even if in reality, Trump just keeps going along with the establishment program.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    My post was in agreement with Caitlin Johnstone. It’s a shame you have to lash out at anyone who doesn’t agree with you 100% on everything.
    Johnstone says they don't want him gone. You say they do. Johnstone says they're fine with voter dissatisfaction, so long as they can keep even dissatisfied voters electing Approved Candidates. You say they cannot tolerate dissent. And still you claim to agree with the lady, and deny your obvious cognitive dissonance. Then you accuse me of lashing out. Well, I do--at obnoxiousness and spamming. If the main purveyors if your point of view depend on those tactics, and you haven't noticed, that's cognitive dissonance too.

    And I suppose you never notice how you enforce your cognitive dissonance, either.

    Well, you and the admins may suit yourselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    AF.... i am trying not to vote for a total idiot this time around. this might be impossible for me.
    both sides of this have their lil moments where they have Boss Tweed looking like a living saint.
    What was it Mencken said about idiots and democracy?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 01-31-2020 at 01:48 PM.
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    'Well, you can get no more liberty than you give.'--Will Rogers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slave Mentality View Post
    Trump is hated by the establishment the same way that Hulk Hogan hated Andre The Giant. Do people not realize that the evil “mainstream media” created this persona? Go watch The Apprentice.

    They hate him like they hate money and ratings. He hates them like he hates free publicity and business deals for his family and cronies.

    Agree with the article. Too bad they have us fighting for scaps in our big open air freedom camp instead. We must find a way to unite different ideologies in order to truly expose those who rob and oppress us rather than voting for them. Partisan thinking isn’t working, so stop.
    Exactly- this whole thing has been theatre.
    There is no spoon.

  22. #19
    duckies.... IOWA looms large. Bernie has got damn good poll numbers.
    i do not think nice Mister Bill Weld can defeat Donald Trump. The Democrats
    are having more fun, this year. Mitch McConnell done got his way on this.

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    if i get really angry at Donald Trump... i am going to storm into the local Republican primary and vote for Bill Weld.
    i cannot think of a better protest vote that flies at the logic of politics as usual. nice guys finish last. Mitt = brainy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Johnstone says they don't want him gone. You say they do. Johnstone says they're fine with voter dissatisfaction, so long as they can keep even dissatisfied voters electing Approved Candidates. You say they cannot tolerate dissent. And still you claim to agree with the lady, and deny your obvious cognitive dissonance. Then you accuse me of lashing out. Well, I do--at obnoxiousness and spamming. If the main purveyors if your point of view depend on those tactics, and you haven't noticed, that's cognitive dissonance too.

    And I suppose you never notice how you enforce your cognitive dissonance, either.

    Well, you and the admins may suit yourselves.

    What was it Mencken said about idiots and democracy?
    She said they would rather have someone other than Trump. I agree. She said the impeachment and Russiagate was a farce. I agree.

    Johnstone says they're fine with voter dissatisfaction, so long as they can keep even dissatisfied voters electing Approved Candidates.
    You’ll have to specify where she said that. I didn’t see that.

    As far as your lashing out, you have been suffering from severe TDS since Trump won the primary. You are emotional and irrational about it. And don’t put everyone in the same category and call them “spammer”. We have all types of people here, some outside of pure libertarian thought. Some of us tend to be more in agreement with Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Thomas Massie. We have some who are more in agreement with Justin Amash. But reasonable and rational people do not lash out over those subtle differences.

    And you ignored the other thread were we might be in agreement. Why is that? Any agreement with what is the “enemy” (in your mind) is not allowed?
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    The government is out to get you! Vote for the government to protect you from the government! They will clean out the swamp and put you in power!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The government is out to get you! Vote for the government to protect you from the government! They will clean out the swamp and put you in power!
    This is exactly what they preach to us. Vote for these dirt bags. They aren't as bad as those dirt bags because hot button, cherry picked, and extremely cultivated reasons.
    WILL NOT COMPLY



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    Quote Originally Posted by Slave Mentality View Post
    This is exactly what they preach to us. Vote for these dirt bags. They aren't as bad as those dirt bags because hot button, cherry picked, and extremely cultivated reasons.
    Again- agree 1000%- it's all theatre.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    As far as your lashing out, you have been suffering from severe TDS since Trump won the primary. You are emotional and irrational about it. And don’t put everyone in the same category and call them “spammer”. We have all types of people here, some outside of pure libertarian thought. Some of us tend to be more in agreement with Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Thomas Massie. We have some who are more in agreement with Justin Amash. But reasonable and rational people do not lash out over those subtle differences.
    You and @acptulsa are 2 of my fav members, so calm down guys.

    And, I've been called so many names and insulted continuously for not agreeing with Trump, that I can understand why acptulsa may seem like a fire brand at the moment. Haven't seen but a few of the insulters called out, so it can be a bit frustrating.
    There is no spoon.



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