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    Reagan's October Surprise Plot was real after all

    https://jacobinmag.com/2020/1/ronald...sis-conspiracy

    At question is the 1980 presidential election between Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter, specifically the “October Surprise” that is alleged to have handed Reagan the election, long dismissed as a conspiracy theory. The whole saga is lengthy and convoluted, but the core allegation is this: that in the middle of the Iran hostage crisis, the Reagan campaign made a secret deal with the new rulers of Iran to delay the release of the hostages until after the election, dooming Carter’s chances of victory.

    Just three days out from a new decade, the Times published what in any other era would have been a bombshell story based on documents donated to Yale from the offices of David Rockefeller, the former chairman of Chase Manhattan Corporation.

    Ostensibly a story about how Rockefeller and Chase worked behind the scenes to win their client, the repressive Shah of Iran, safe haven in the United States, this nugget appears about halfway through:
    “…let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!!” – Spartacus, War of the Damned

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    jacobinmag.com

    Interesting reading material you read.

    But this has been known for quite some time.
    And it was Bush's deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    jacobinmag.com

    Interesting reading material you read.
    First time I've seen that site actually, but I found the info about the private papers interesting and worth sharing. Of course a far left site's article about a real conspiracy theory may help offset some of the far right unfounded conspiracy articles posted... Then again we're supposedly libertarian so we're a little left, a little right, and shunned by everyone.
    “…let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!!” – Spartacus, War of the Damned

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    First time I've seen that site actually, but I found the info about the private papers interesting and worth sharing. Of course a far left site's article about a real conspiracy theory may help offset some of the far right unfounded conspiracy articles posted...
    LOL
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    But this has been known for quite some time.
    And it was Bush's deal.
    Hmm... how strange, if this were true why wouldn’t the “independent” Wikipedia confirm it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octobe...ter_vs._Reagan


    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Senator John Tower was in Paris for the infamous 19/20 October 1980 meetings in Paris between George Bush Sr. and representatives of Ayatollah Khomeini.
    See the 1988 FBI memo about allegations that Senator Tower had been negotiating with the Khomeini regime in 1980 on supplying Iran with replacement parts for planes.


    John Tower was married to none other than Samuel Cummings’s sister, Lilla Burt Cummings.
    Representative Tower helped the Interarms company in their arms deals.

    Who do you think President Reagan selected in 1986, for a commission to “investigate” the so-called Iran-Contra affair?!? John Tower...
    In 1989, Tower was nominated for Secretary of Defense by President Bush Sr., rejected by the US Senate!

    Frank Sturgis bought large numbers of weapons through Interarmco for Fidel Castro. According to Sturgis’ testimony before the Rockefeller Commission, he learned that Interarmco’s “owner”, Sam Cummings, was a CIA agent: https://www.muckrock.com/news/archiv...n-contra-cove/
    (http://web.archive.org/web/201907210...n-contra-cove/)


    In the spring of 1989, Robert Maxwell and his daughter Ghislaine hosted a party on his yacht in the presence of Donald Trump, former US senator John Tower and ex-navy secretary John Lehman: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/9383...ne_maxwell_on/

    See Donald showing his thumb, John Tower to his right and Robert Maxwell on the far right.
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6909970


    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter
    October surprise – bribing Ayatollah Khomeini
    While the US military was preparing another rescue mission, the Reagan-Bush team sabotaged the efforts by making this plan public.
    William Casey and other members of the Reagan-Bush team met secretly with Iranian factions, offering bribes if the Americans remained hostage until after the November 1980 elections. The $40 million bribe money came from the Committee to Reelect the President (CREEP)

    Richard Brenneke testified that he saw George Bush and Donald Gregg in Paris on the weekend of 19 October 1980.
    Russbacher said:
    On the flight deck were pilots Richard Brenneke, an Air Force pilot, and I was the command pilot. In the cabin were George Bush; William Casey (who would be appointed director of the CIA); Robert Gates; Donald Gregg (who at that time was a member of President Carter's National Security Council) and others.

    Russbacher stated that other passengers included George Cave (former CIA Iran expert and translator); Richard Allen; Senators John Tower and John Heinz; Congressman Dan Rostenkowski; and Jennifer Fitzgerald of the State Department.
    Russbacher also saw Adnan Khashoggi and Hashemi Rafsanjani (Ayatollah Khomeini's second in command) in Paris.

    Ari Ben-Menashe stated that he was a member of the Mossad's advance team working with the French government, which arranged the meetings on the 19 October 1980 weekend in Paris.
    Oswald LeWinter stated that he saw George Bush, Donald Gregg and William Casey at the Paris meeting.
    Alexandre de Marenches said that he organised the meeting, on the request of his friend, William Casey, but that he did not attend it.

    This 20 September 1985 document describes the arms-for-hostages scheme showing Israeli involvement; identifying Gunther Russbacher and Robert Hunt (2 of Stich’s sources); and names Oliver North.


    The initial meeting was held in Geneva on or about 14 March 1980, between Ahmed Heidari and Mohammed Hussein Behishti with Cyrus Hashemi and Ari Ben-Menashe (of the Mossad).

    At a second meeting in Barcelona at the Pepsico International Headquarters Building, William Casey, Robert McFarlane and Peter Van Tyne (executive vice-president for Pepsico) met with the Iranians Hushang Lavi and Rogovin.

    Russbacher described how the CIA’s Valley Bank in Phoenix played a key role in moving money for the October Surprise.

    This 27 May 1986 document from John Poindexter to Bill Casey lists the bank account number of a CIA proprietary, for money for the arms. Also listed are Khashoggi, Gunther Russbacher and Robert Hunt. Vice President Bush apparently received a copy of this document.


    (...)

    Rodney Stich – Defrauding America; Encyclopedia of secret operations by the CIA, DEA, and other covert agencies (1993) – 98.5 MB!!!: https://the-eye.eu/public/concen.org...ies%20-%20.pdf

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