First case of China-linked coronavirus reported in US

[Swordsmyth]

You know, no one's been talking about how these people got to Europe.

There are direct flights from China to the W. Coast, but not to Europe (AFAIK).

This person leaving Shanghai probably went to Munich via Dubai, or maybe Delhi, Moscow...

Probably Dubai, from which we've heard exactly nothing

If it gets to Africa they will be hit hard, their sanitation etc. isn't much better than China and may be worse in some ways.
And they are about to have a serious food problem due to locusts.

[r3volution 3.0]

If it gets to Africa they will be hit hard, their sanitation etc. isn't much better than China and may be worse in some ways.
And they are about to have a serious food problem due to locusts.

Sanitation isn't the main issue with a flu type disease; it's population density. Some places in Africa (sadly, all the nicer places, with international airports) would have serious problems, but most of the continent would be relatively unaffected IMO. It relates to what Brian and I were talking about. Places like India or Africa have serious sanitation problems, which makes them vulnerable to (or productive of) diseases that live in the water supply, like typhus or cholera, for instance. But 1st world sanitation doesn't do much to prevent some guy from sneezing on a doorknob.

I wonder if the KSA, the UAE, Qatar, etc learned any serious lessons from MERS; that's what this is like.

[AngryCanadian]

This thing is spreading in Canada and now in Nova Scotia.

[Danke]

There are direct flights between China and Europe.

[luctor-et-emergo]

Contagious before symptoms. Asymptomatic transmission. Not good.

Do we have a good figure on the incubation time already ? I read 3-14days before but so far have not read any confirmation.
If it's 7 days... Just imagine how many people around the world have been infected already without knowing.
Next week the whole world economy could grind to a halt if there are disease pockets in a countries around the entire world.

[Danke]

Do we have a good figure on the incubation time already ? I read 3-14days before but so far have not read any confirmation.
If it's 7 days... Just imagine how many people around the world have been infected already without knowing.
Next week the whole world economy could grind to a halt if there are disease pockets in a countries around the entire world.

I hope it takes at least 5 days, I don't want to be sick during the Super Bowl!

[oyarde]

I hope it takes at least 5 days, I don't want to be sick during the Super Bowl!

You must purchase a talisman from me to ensure your health for the superbowl. I am accepting gold and silver this week .

[Brian4Liberty]

You beat me to it. I was just now looking around and came across the German story.

There it is.

Wuhan - Shanghai - Bavaria.

Are you reading this thread?

The German cases have already been discussed in detail:

More on the German cases. Woman came from China to train in Germany, passed the virus on to co-workers.

So four in Germany so far.

Contagious before symptoms. Asymptomatic transmission. Not good.

[Brian4Liberty]

Do we have a good figure on the incubation time already ? I read 3-14days before but so far have not read any confirmation.
If it's 7 days... Just imagine how many people around the world have been infected already without knowing.
Next week the whole world economy could grind to a halt if there are disease pockets in a countries around the entire world.

No idea. But a 14 day period is very scary, and that has been thrown out there. Even an extra day of asymptomatic transmission will multiply numbers exponentially.

....

Edit: updated, disputed asymptomatic transmission.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6918437

[luctor-et-emergo]

No idea. But a 14 day period is very scary, and that has been thrown out there. Even an extra day of asymptomatic transmission will multiply numbers exponentially.

So I just had another thought about that...

The German guy who reported sick (3 of his co-workers are also sick now) met their Chinese colleague on the 22nd. So that appears to be 5-6 days incubation time. Which is scary enough.

Also, please tell me what your thoughts are about this. Specifically considering the numbers may not be correct. (these are from random large media outlets dated to those dates.)

If we go back to the 16th,

16th - 41 confirmed / 2 dead
22nd - 571 confirmed / 17 dead
Today - ±6000 confirmed / ±130

How many of those 130 dead today are out of the 571 confirmed cases from last week ? People generally don't drop dead if they die from pneumonia, it generally takes a while. How many of the 17 dead from the 22nd are from the original 41 from the 16th ? Now, if you take that fully serious, you'd end up with a scary high death rate that is not realistic given the other facts. However, if you then consider that much more people than officially stated may be infected that corrects for it. We're back at square one and we don't know $#@!. I think one more week of data, specifically from Western countries, as the infection spreads there... Will yield us all the facts to remain calm or dig in.

Can you follow me there? It has to be serious as common flu kills enough people already... China doesn't lock down the entire country for nothing... But so far the numbers don't prove it. But they can be wrong on all ends. Wilfully so or by ignorance.

[Brian4Liberty]

Turd World people should stay in their own hellholes until they evolve.

Technology that has leaked, or worse, given to these shatheels is like giving a machine gun to a monkey.

And it will take us down in many ways if we let it.

They are centuries behind in spite of being uplifted in many ways by the west, don't hold your breath waiting for them to catch up.
And don't let them in to drag us down to their level until they do catch up. (and letting them in is one of the many reasons for our {hopefully temporary} decline)

Well, assuming that's true, that's a problem obviously, but at least in China they're in a position to fix it more easily; i.e. they actually can wash their hands, with clean running water, and afford soap, if they want to (and something tells me that the average Wuhaner right now is washing the $#@! out of his hands, no pun intended). I guess we'll see.

China has been one of the most advanced places in the past. Cultures rise and fall, ebb and flow. China fell from it’s past greatest, and then embraced communism and fell even further. Their embrace of capitalism (albeit the most corrupt, immoral, crony version) and becoming a manufacturer for the first world is what has brought them to where they are today.

But cultures have different norms and beliefs. With regard to hand washing, in China, the majority believe that hand washing is not healthy. That belief is also widespread in India. They have religious leaders who tell them to pray instead of wash their hands, and that it is more effective. They even have what they call “scientific studies” that show that hand washing causes more disease. They have their own Zippys who can provide statistics and charts showing how hand washing is bad, and those who do not wash are healthier.

It’s a lot more complex than saying “hey, look at this, you have running water now so you can wash your hands with this soap.” They have other beliefs.

[Brian4Liberty]

So I just had another thought about that...

The German guy who reported sick (3 of his co-workers are also sick now) met their Chinese colleague on the 22nd. So that appears to be 5-6 days incubation time. Which is scary enough.

Also, please tell me what your thoughts are about this. Specifically considering the numbers may not be correct. (these are from random large media outlets dated to those dates.)

If we go back to the 16th,

16th - 41 confirmed / 2 dead
22nd - 571 confirmed / 17 dead
Today - ±6000 confirmed / ±130

How many of those 130 dead today are out of the 571 confirmed cases from last week ? People generally don't drop dead if they die from pneumonia, it generally takes a while. How many of the 17 dead from the 22nd are from the original 41 from the 16th ? Now, if you take that fully serious, you'd end up with a scary high death rate that is not realistic given the other facts. However, if you then consider that much more people than officially stated may be infected that corrects for it. We're back at square one and we don't know $#@!. I think one more week of data, specifically from Western countries, as the infection spreads there... Will yield us all the facts to remain calm or dig in.

Can you follow me there? It has to be serious as common flu kills enough people already... China doesn't lock down the entire country for nothing... But so far the numbers don't prove it. But they can be wrong on all ends. Wilfully so or by ignorance.

Yeah, that would be a scary death rate if not for the way that those stats are generated. No doubt the amount of people sick is much, much higher, while the dead are probably counted a little better (even those are not all counted). That will make the mortality rate lower. Lies, damned lies and statistics...

Based on the Chinese reaction, it has to be worse than the common flu, which is bad enough.

[Swordsmyth]

3. The RNA sequences of the #coronavirus isolated from 6 patients from the same household are different from each other (Lancet), sign of the virus evolving. This may not be so good to the ear; it suggests the difficulty of containing this virus”. (from https://t.co/8IPxJf5I3P)
— Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) January 28, 2020

5. (Continued from above)… “A BLAST search of 2019-nCoV middle fragment revealed no considerable similarity with any of the previously characterized corona viruses (figure 2)” —> it’s a sequence entirely new to any known #coronavirus. What does this mean? We don’t know yet.
— Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) January 28, 2020

7. Very strange: So what is in this new mystery middle segment that has no #coronavirus history? The study authors continue: “This genomic part comprises also half of the spike region encoding a multifunctional protein responsible also for virus entry into host cells[30,31]”.��
— Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) January 28, 2020

9. BOTTOMLINE: 1) Seafood market not the source. 2) This RNA #coronavirus mutates really fast. 3) �� has unusual middle segment never seen before in any coronavirus. 4) Not from recent mixing. 5) That mystery middle segment encodes protein responsible for entry into host cells.
— Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) January 28, 2020

[Swordsmyth]

China refused American offer of assistance in studying Corona virus outbreak.

[Swordsmyth]

There are direct flights between China and Europe.

UPDATE: British Airways has suspended all flights to and from mainland China https://t.co/90pVP3wqdt
— BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk) January 29, 2020

[Swordsmyth]

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Update (1720ET): The government in Hubei has announced another slate of cases and deaths.

• CHINA'S HUBEI REPORTS 37 ADDITIONAL DEATHS FROM CORONAVIRUS
• CHINA CORONAVIRUS DEATH TOLL RISES TO AT LEAST 169
• CHINA'S HUBEI REPORTS 1,032 MORE CORONAVIRUS CASES FOR JAN. 29

Meanwhile, 26,632 people are still undergoing medical observation, and another 4,334 cases are still being treated in the hospital
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Update (1650ET): Several epidemiologists have suggested that many of the deaths caused by the coronavirus that surfaced in Wuhan last month have probably 'slipped through the cracks' - either having been misdiagnosed or deliberately attributed to something else. Many suspect that Beijing is concealing the true extent of the outbreak. And now, one reporter claims that a Chinese media organization has found proof.
The East Asia Correspondent for DW cited reports in a tweet claiming that health officials have been secretly moving some bodies directly from the hospital to the crematorium.

Also, one thing that #China is hiding is the number of death caused by the virus. Credible Chinese media outlet @initiumnews interviewed people working at local cremation centers, confirming that many dead bodies were sent directly from the hospitals to the cremation centers...
— William Yang (@WilliamYang120) January 29, 2020

... without properly identifying these patients, which means there are patients who died from the virus but not adding to the official record. That shows the current death toll of 133 that we are seeing is way too low.
— William Yang (@WilliamYang120) January 29, 2020

So there are reasons to remain skeptical about what #Chins has been sharing with the world because while they have been more transparent about certain things related to the virus, they continue to be sketchy and unreliable in other aspects.
— William Yang (@WilliamYang120) January 29, 2020

Meanwhile, research published in the Lancet, a medical journal, claimed the true mortality rate is closer to 11% (the official rate is 2%-3%).

The latest clinical report on 2019-nCoV: 99 patients from Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital. Important: a key group of patients progress rapidly to ARDS, septic shock, and multiple organ failure. 23% ITU admission, 17% ARDS, 11% mortality. https://t.co/Hr0XIfK6M1
— richard horton (@richardhorton1) January 29, 2020

If they're lying about the death toll, then it's likely they also know the true number of infections is much higher than the 'official' number. .
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More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...ds-middle-east

[TheClincher]

It has basically now been confirmed that Coronavirus will not leave China


“They” know what this virus is, and that it can predominantly only implant in Asian males. Even then, the lethality

is not very high but the fact that it is indeed race specific, and that it is known about, is more than interesting.

See this latest update which includes a link to the study here:

https://beforeitsnews.com/new-world-...fake-8699.html

[Working Poor]

I sense fear mongering going on. One thing that I do know for sure is that the more afraid you are about it the more likely you will get sick. That is the same reason placebos work and are used in clinical trials because they know that thought plays a big role in wellness and sickness. It is even mentioned in the bible "as a man thinketh so he will be". So be careful how you talk to your body about stuff like this. Support your immune system keep yourself clean and do not put your hands in your face if you are out in public. I have read this virus was designed to attack Asians. I don't know if that is true or not but if you are Asian please use caution in public and in your personal hygiene. Women in particular need to wash their hands before using the toilet especially in public because virus like to attach to mucus membrane tissues o the body. Above all tell your immune system that you know it can fight off all invaders.

[Danke]

[Swordsmyth]

Coronavirus Exposed, Part 1: Communist Coverup, or Pandemic Bioweapon of Mass Destruction?

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1....919985v1.full
... To further understand the special population of ACE2-expressing AT2, we performed gene ontology enrichment analysis to study which biological processes are involved with this cell population by comparing them with the AT2 cells not expressing ACE2. Surprisingly, we found that multiple viral process-related GO are significantly over-presented, including “positive regulation of viral process” (P value=0.001), “viral life cycle” (P value=0.005), “virion assembly” (P value=0.03) and “positive regulation of viral genome replication” (P value=0.04). These highly expressed viral process-related genes in ACE2-expressing AT2 include: SLC1A5, CXADR, CAV2, NUP98, CTBP2, GSN,HSPA1B,STOM, RAB1B, HACD3, ITGB6, IST1,NUCKS1,TRIM27, APOE, SMARCB1,UBP1,CHMP1A,NUP160,HSPA8,DAG1,STAU1,ICAM1, CHMP5,D EK, VPS37B, EGFR, CCNK, PPIA, IFITM3, PPIB, TMPRSS2, UBC, LAMP1 and CHMP3. Therefore, it seems that the 2019-nCov has cleverly evolved to hijack this population of AT2 cells for its reproduction and transmission.
We further compared the characteristics of the donors and their ACE2 expressing patterns. No association was detected between the ACE2-expressing cell number and the age or smoking status of donors. Of note, the 2 male donors have a higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than all other 6 female donors (1.66% vs. 0.41% of all cells, P value=0.07, Mann Whitney Test). In addition, the distribution of ACE2 is also more widespread in male donors than females: at least 5 different types of cells in male lung express this receptor, while only 2~4 types of cells in female lung express the receptor. This result is highly consistent with the epidemic investigation showing that most of the confirmed 2019-nCov infected patients were men (30 vs. 11, by Jan 2, 2020).
We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells). This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area.

[Voluntarist]

Per registered decision, member has been banned for violating community standards as interpreted by TheTexan (respect his authoritah) as authorized by Brian4Liberty Ruling

May God have mercy on his atheist, police-hating, non-voting, anarchist soul.

[Brian4Liberty]

1st person-to-person spread of new coronavirus in US identified

The novel coronavirus has spread for the first time in the U.S. through person-to-person contact, the the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced today (Jan. 30) during a teleconference.

The virus was confirmed in the husband of an Illinois woman who had contracted the infection after traveling to China. Her husband is the 6th person in the U.S. to be confirmed for the virus and was recently admitted to the hospital and remains stable.
...
https://www.livescience.com/first-pe...ronavirus.html

[luctor-et-emergo]

I plotted the numbers I mentioned earlier and added today to the list... According to that, when looking to the future, we'll pass 100k infected in a week.
Are there people around here interested in collecting all the data for every day since early January ? Both for infected and dead, I think it would be interesting to plot the lines together. Should give an indication if the Chinese are fully telling the truth.

[ghengis86]

I plotted the numbers I mentioned earlier and added today to the list... According to that, when looking to the future, we'll pass 100k infected in a week.
Are there people around here interested in collecting all the data for every day since early January ? Both for infected and dead, I think it would be interesting to plot the lines together. Should give an indication if the Chinese are fully telling the truth.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6

Might be a good place to start.
But again, how do you know the data is accurate based on who is reporting (the commies) ?

[luctor-et-emergo]

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6

Might be a good place to start.
But again, how do you know the data is accurate based on who is reporting (the commies) ?

We don't but analysis may prove it's not accurate. It cannot prove accuracy however.

I already have that page open... But unless there's a raw data file available. I don't really have the time to manually copy all the data. I can also just wait. Time will tell anyways. It's not like were trying to invent something. It's being done for us.

[ghengis86]

We don't but analysis may prove it's not accurate. It cannot prove accuracy however.

I already have that page open... But unless there's a raw data file available. I don't really have the time to manually copy all the data. I can also just wait. Time will tell anyways. It's not like were trying to invent something. It's being done for us.

There’s a link in the bottom right corner to a “Downloadable Google Sheet”. Aside from that probably just best to not waste too much time on it. Like you said, it will be done eventually

[luctor-et-emergo]

There’s a link in the bottom right corner to a “Downloadable Google Sheet”. Aside from that probably just best to not waste too much time on it. Like you said, it will be done eventually

Give me a minute... I will do it manually for just Hubei province. Not motivated enough to do it all now.

[Brian4Liberty]

Global emergency declared by WHO.

[Warlord]

Global emergency declared by WHO.

Now wait for the forced vaccinations and quarantines.