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    Obesity, heart disease, and diabetes may be communicable

    Non-communicable diseases including heart disease, cancer and lung disease are now the most common causes of death, accounting for 70 percent of deaths worldwide. These diseases are considered "non-communicable" because they are thought to be caused by a combination of genetic, lifestyle and environmental factors and can't be transmitted between people.


    A new research paper in Science by a team of fellows in CIFAR's Humans and the Microbiome program throws this long-held belief into question by providing evidence that many diseases may be transmissible between people through microbes (including bacteria, fungi, and viruses) that live in and on our bodies.
    "If our hypothesis is proven correct, it will rewrite the entire book on public health" says B. Brett Finlay, CIFAR Fellow and professor of microbiology at the University of British Columbia, who is lead author on the paper.
    Connecting the dots
    The authors base their hypothesis on connections between three distinct lines of evidence. First, they demonstrate that people with a wide range of conditions, from obesity and inflammatory bowel disease to type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease, have altered microbiomes. Next, they show that altered microbiomes, when taken from diseased people and put into animal models, cause disease. Finally, they provide evidence that the microbiome is naturally transmissible, for example: Spouses who share a house have more similar microbiomes than twins who live separately.
    "When you put those facts together, it points to the idea that many traditionally non-communicable diseases may be communicable after all," says Finlay.

    More at: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...municable.html



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    Very interesting. I would also say the dots need to be connected with the herbicide glyphosate.

    Disruption of the Gut Microbiome

    Samsel and Seneff’s paper identified how glyphosate disrupted the gut microbiome, causing the suppression of biosynthesis of cytochrome P450 enzymes and key amino acids. In a later paper, “Glyphosate, Pathways to Modern Diseases II: Celiac Sprue and Gluten Intolerance,” Samsel and Seneff showed how the current increase in celiac disease and gluten intolerance in people was linked to glyphosate’s adverse effects on the gut microbiome. They highlighted that glyphosate is patented as a biocide, and consequently it kills the beneficial gut bacteria, leading to a rise in intestinal diseases.24

    Krüger et al. showed that glyphosate has this effect in the microbiome of horses and cows.25

    Shehata et al. found the same effects in poultry. The researchers state, “Highly pathogenic bacteria as Salmonella Entritidis, Salmonella Gallinarum, Salmonella Typhimurium, Clostridium perfringens and Clostridium botulinum are highly resistant to glyphosate. However, most of beneficial bacteria such as Enterococcus faecalis, Enterococcus faecium, Bacillus badius, Bifidobacterium adolescentis and Lactobacillus spp. were found to be moderate to highly susceptible.”26

    Both groups of researchers postulated that glyphosate is associated with the increase in botulism-mediated diseases in these domestic farm animals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Very interesting. I would also say the dots need to be connected with the herbicide glyphosate.


    https://www.organicconsumers.org/new...ate-fact-sheet
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC, after the lawsuits they agreed to stop using glyphosate. It's been some time since I read about the Roundup shenannigans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC, after the lawsuits they agreed to stop using glyphosate. It's been some time since I read about the Roundup shenannigans.
    Even if there is a moratorium on the use of glyphosate, it has been commercially used, in our country, since 1974. So the impact on our health has been around for some time. They are constantly skirting these issues with side distractions, but when you look at the independent studies, especially the ones in Europe, glyphosate seems to be the root cause of a lot of diseases that has cropped up (no pun intended) in less 50 years. Monsanto/Bayer is a huge corporation and has had lots of lobbyists, and have been in the pockets of politicians since, before, Vietnam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Non-communicable diseases including heart disease, cancer and lung disease are now the most common causes of death, accounting for 70 percent of deaths worldwide. These diseases are considered "non-communicable" because they are thought to be caused by a combination of genetic, lifestyle and environmental factors and can't be transmitted between people.


    A new research paper in Science by a team of fellows in CIFAR's Humans and the Microbiome program throws this long-held belief into question by providing evidence that many diseases may be transmissible between people through microbes (including bacteria, fungi, and viruses) that live in and on our bodies.
    "If our hypothesis is proven correct, it will rewrite the entire book on public health" says B. Brett Finlay, CIFAR Fellow and professor of microbiology at the University of British Columbia, who is lead author on the paper.
    Connecting the dots
    The authors base their hypothesis on connections between three distinct lines of evidence. First, they demonstrate that people with a wide range of conditions, from obesity and inflammatory bowel disease to type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease, have altered microbiomes. Next, they show that altered microbiomes, when taken from diseased people and put into animal models, cause disease. Finally, they provide evidence that the microbiome is naturally transmissible, for example: Spouses who share a house have more similar microbiomes than twins who live separately.
    "When you put those facts together, it points to the idea that many traditionally non-communicable diseases may be communicable after all," says Finlay.

    More at: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...municable.html
    To "catch" somebody's microbiome, you need to consume their poop- that is where the bacteria are (other than inside their bodies). As far as we know, you can't get it by contact with other people. People in the same household with the same microbiome are eating the same foods which support the same types of biome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC, after the lawsuits they agreed to stop using glyphosate. It's been some time since I read about the Roundup shenannigans.
    No, because there's still no scientific evidence that glyphosate is dangerous. Juries aren't scientists, and the trials were a farce. The way the cases were structured, the defense had to prove that glyphosate did not cause cancer, which is not how science works. You can't prove a negative, as the old sayings go.

    If anything, the EPA is about to step in and give them special protections. Not a fan of that either, but one legitimate purpose of government is to protect us from mobs of irrational angry people.

    Donna connects imaginary dots. Just see that post above if you doubt it. (PS: Any "Fact Sheet" that cites Serliani should be immediately dismissed as propaganda, as the guy is an out and out fraud. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    To "catch" somebody's microbiome, you need to consume their poop- that is where the bacteria are (other than inside their bodies). As far as we know, you can't get it by contact with other people. People in the same household with the same microbiome are eating the same foods which support the same types of biome.
    People in the same house are also probably eating miniscule amounts of other people's poop, truth be told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    People in the same house are also probably eating miniscule amounts of other people's poop, truth be told.
    I would have banned her for this comment, too.
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