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    Trump: 'Where is the f***ing oil?'

    Here's some excerpts from a new book published today in the Washington Post. Seems Trump has had this idea of plundering oil in the Middle East for a while. Tillerson (then Secretary of State) tried to talk him out of it.

    The details are revealed in, 'A Very Stable Genius' ó a 417-page book on the presidency by Washington Post reporters Philip Rucker and Carol D. Leonnig being published next week.

    The Washington Post printed an excerpt on Friday.

    'I wouldn't go to war with you people,' he said. 'You're a bunch of dopes and babies.'

    The president was reacting to a tailored tutorial his then officials - Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, Director of the National Economic Council Gary Cohn, and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson - arranged for him in room 2E924 of the Pentagon - know as 'The Tank.'

    Chairman of the Joint Chiefs General Joseph F. Dunford Jr., was in the main seat, in front of a painting of Lincoln meeting with his generals Ulysses S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman and Rear Admiral David Dixon Porter.

    Around the table were then deputy Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, the heads of the branches of the military and Vice President Mike Pence.

    The room was lined with other staff officers and White House aides. They included Sean Spicer, then press secretary, Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law, and Reince Priebus, then chief of staff.

    The sit-down took place six months into the Trump administration. Mattis organized it because of mounting concerns he shared with Tillerson and Gary Cohn, then the chief economic adviser, about Trump's knowledge of history, and in particular post-war alliances.

    It started with Mattis giving a presentation in front of a screen saying: 'The post-war international rules-based order is the greatest gift of the greatest generation.'

    Steve Bannon, then one of Trump's most senior adviser was sitting behind the table and told the authors he thought the meeting would be 'f***ing wild.'

    'If you stood up and threatened to shoot [Trump], he couldnít say "postwar rules-based international order,"' he told them.

    It was the start of an extended rage.

    He railed against General John Nicholson, in charge of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, saying: 'I don't think he knows how to win.'

    The general was not at the meeting and Dunford tried to defend him, saying they were following orders on how to leave Afghanistan.

    The authors say the participants 'felt sick to their stomachs' at the president's words. Tillerson later said he saw one female officer silently crying.

    During the meeting, Trump complained Pentagon brass were missing opportunities to make money.

    'We are owed money you haven't been collecting!' the president said, according to the book. 'You would totally go bankrupt if you had to run your own business.'


    He asked why Middle East nations weren't giving the U.S. oil in return for American troops.

    'We spent $7 trillion; they're ripping us off,' Trump said. 'Where is the f***ing oil?'

    He said of the 2015 Iranian nuclear deal, from which he would later withdraw the United States: 'It's the worst deal in history!'

    Tillerson tried to talk to him about that. 'I don't want to hear it,' the president responded.

    'They're cheating. They're building. We're getting out of it. I keep telling you, I keep giving you time, and you keep delaying me. I want out of it.'

    As the president complained about how the United States should make money from American troops - he suggested South Korea pay for the U.S. soldiers there or he'd remove them - Tillerson spoke up.

    His father and uncle both saw combat and a great-uncle was a career officer.

    'No, that's just wrong,' the authors quote him as telling Trump. 'Mr. President, you're totally wrong. None of that is true.'

    'The men and women who put on a uniform don't do it to become soldiers of fortune,' Tillerson added. 'That's not why they put on a uniform and go out and die. They do it to protect our freedom.'

    Throughout it all Mike Pence sat beside Trump without any expression on his face. One participant called him 'a wax museum guy.' His son is a commissioned Marine aviator.

    Shortly after that the meeting ended.

    After Trump left the room, Tillerson spoke up again: 'He's a f***ing moron,' he said of Trump.

    In contrast Trump said tersely to reporters that the meeting was 'absolutely great' and when asked if he was going to make a decision on cutting troop numbers in Afghanistan brushed it off saying: 'You'll be hearing.'

    Then he tweeted a video of himself and Pence shaking hands with members of the military in the Pentagon, with the audio cut to make way for 'I'm proud to be an American.' Mattis was only fleetingly visible.

    Tillerson was to attack Trump again on the issue of foreign allies paying for U.S. military presence on their territory at a White House Situation Room meeting where Trump demanded money.


    Tillerson stood up, turned his back on the president, and turned to uniformed officers and other staff to say how the country valued their service and knew 'they don't do it to make a buck.'

    In March the following year, Tillerson was fired while he was on a diplomatic tour of Africa.

    In December 2018 Mattis quit over Trump's sudden decision to pull out of Syria and released a letter saying he 'deserved' a Pentagon chief who agreed with him but would serve until he was replaced. Trump made him leave almost immediately.

    Dunford served the standard four-years as chair

    The book details the president's first three years in the White House and all the drama that filled that time, including special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.

    It is scheduled to be released on January 21. The two authors were part of The Washington Post's team that won a 2018 Pulitzer Prize for its reporting on Trump and Russia.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ok-claims.html



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    The authors say the participants 'felt sick to their stomachs' at the president's words. Tillerson later said he saw one female officer silently crying.
    Was she shaking to, LMAO! Is this for real or is this a comedy piece from WAPO and DailyMail? It is like the media is trolling their readers or maybe we are supposed to be outraged.

    If it really went down like that then these people should not be in those positions then good for Trump. He needs to do more, clean house and place people into these positions that will follow his lead.

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    Well, it’s good to hear that Mattis and friends believe so whole-heartedly in wars for peace and freedom. No doubt many members of the military feel that way when they sign up. But to say that wars are not for money is interesting. The powerful interests that push for war might grin at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Was she shaking to, LMAO! Is this for real or is this a comedy piece from WAPO and DailyMail? It is like the media is trolling their readers or maybe we are supposed to be outraged.

    If it really went down like that then these people should not be in those positions then good for Trump. He needs to do more, clean house and place people into these positions that will follow his lead.
    I think it's genuine. Trump has been fixated on demanding money and oil for troops.

    https://www.vox.com/2020/1/14/210654...-arabia-troops

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    I think it's genuine. Trump has been fixated on demanding money and oil for troops.

    https://www.vox.com/2020/1/14/210654...-arabia-troops
    I don't think Israel has much oil...

    Saudis have been milkin' since the Embargo.
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    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...pes-and-babies

    Whiner in Chief calls his generals "dopes and babies".

    President Trump blasted his most senior military officers as a “bunch of dopes and babies” and dismissed them as “losers” for their failures in Afghanistan, according to a new book.

    A Very Stable Genius, written by two Washington Post reporters and published next week, describes how the extraordinary dressing down during an early meeting in Trump’s presidency set the tone for a troubled relationship between the Pentagon and the White House.

    An excerpt released on Friday describes how senior officials and generals met Trump for a briefing at the Pentagon in the summer of 2017. The new account details how the president descended into a rage at the “schoolhouse vibe” as Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis attempted to explain American deployments around the world.

    Other attendees such as Steve Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, quickly realized the speakers had no idea how to address the president when their talk’s title page made reference to “the post-war international rules-based order.”

    It soon became a chance for the President to rail against his favorite targets, questioning why the U.S. was paying for a missile defense system to protect South Korea, complaining about the terms of the 2015 Iran nuclear deal and taking aim at NATO for being bankrolled by Washington.

    As the briefing continued, he accused his top brass of incompetence. He turned to the conflict in Afghanistan, America's longest war, which he described as a “loser war.”

    “You’re all losers,” Trump said. “You don’t know how to win anymore.”

    “I wouldn’t go to war with you people [by my side],” he bellowed to a disbelieving room. “You’re a bunch of dopes and babies.”


    While Vice President Mike Pence stayed silent and other senior figures tried to stare straight ahead, the authors describe how Secretary of State Rex Tillerson tried to defend the military leadership.

    “No, that’s just wrong,” the secretary of state said. “Mr. President, you’re totally wrong. None of that is true.”

    Tillerson let down his guard in the immediate aftermath of the confrontation. Standing in the hall outside with several confidants, as they realized their effort to persuade the president of the importance of the internationalist view had backfired, he said: “He’s a f---ing moron."

    The fiery exchange was apparently at the heart of a rift between the two men that eventually led to Tillerson's dismissal seven months later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    He has said take the oil going back almost a decade. He said it in campaign speeches. This isn't new.
    Well, that makes it all better then.

    Taking things that donít belong to you is theft. Even when people in suits do it. Stationing troops on foreign soils against the wishes of the inhabitants of those soils is an invasion and occupation. Even when Good Americans are doing it.

    If ďtake the oilĒ becomes a popular slogan on a liberty forum, then this will be considered the good ole days not too long from now.



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    Trump didn't start recently saying this. Hes held these kinds of beliefs for several years now. Hes given plenty of political speeches over the years before becoming president saying we should do exactly that.
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    I have no doubt that the material presented in the Wacompost article is true.

    Trump being a stupid, historically ignorant buffoon rings true.

    But I believe that this has probably been engineered to make military staff and Tillerson to appear to be principled and competent.........

    Which they are not.

    By a long shot.
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    Trump is an Imperialist. Occupying and plundering resources. Everything Ron would condemn.

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    I don't think I've ever had an issue with demanding payment for basically being the bulwark of 1/4 of the worlds State security apparatus while they use their largesse to fund their Socialism and the mirage of working Socialism. I just have a problem with us being there in the first place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slave Mentality View Post
    Well, that makes it all better then.

    Taking things that don’t belong to you is theft. Even when people in suits do it. Stationing troops on foreign soils against the wishes of the inhabitants of those soils is an invasion and occupation. Even when Good Americans are doing it.

    If “take the oil” becomes a popular slogan on a liberty forum, then this will be considered the good ole days not too long from now.
    Why do you hate America?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    I don't think I've ever had an issue with demanding payment for basically being the bulwark of 1/4 of the worlds State security apparatus while they use their largesse to fund their Socialism and the mirage of working Socialism. I just have a problem with us being there in the first place.
    ^This.

    Besides why should they be awarded debt relief and financial privileges denied to American taxpayers. If we have to pay our bills and debts without relief then so should they. Otherwise we are just tax slaves for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slave Mentality View Post
    Well, that makes it all better then.

    Taking things that donít belong to you is theft. Even when people in suits do it. Stationing troops on foreign soils against the wishes of the inhabitants of those soils is an invasion and occupation. Even when Good Americans are doing it.

    If ďtake the oilĒ becomes a popular slogan on a liberty forum, then this will be considered the good ole days not too long from now.
    !!!!THIS!!!!
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    Make your enemies think they are dealing with a deranged person.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Here's some excerpts from a new book published today in the Washington Post. Seems Trump has had this idea of plundering oil in the Middle East for a while. Tillerson (then Secretary of State) tried to talk him out of it.



    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ok-claims.html
    Why should we believe this book?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    I don't think I've ever had an issue with demanding payment for basically being the bulwark of 1/4 of the worlds State security apparatus while they use their largesse to fund their Socialism and the mirage of working Socialism. I just have a problem with us being there in the first place.
    We agree, for once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slave Mentality View Post
    Well, that makes it all better then.

    Taking things that don’t belong to you is theft. Even when people in suits do it. Stationing troops on foreign soils against the wishes of the inhabitants of those soils is an invasion and occupation. Even when Good Americans are doing it.

    If “take the oil” becomes a popular slogan on a liberty forum, then this will be considered the good ole days not too long from now.
    If you buy a car and don't pay the loan, are you against the courts assigning a judgement for that debt or going so far as to repossess the car?

    Same goes for the Iraqi's that are in power benefiting from services they have not paid for. Unless what you are saying is the current Iraqi regime should be replaced with the former Saddam or Baath party regime which would be an odd position to take.

    If the future is ending giving Iraqi's free stuff without paying for it rather than forcing the American taxpayers to pay for it, then the good ole days are yet to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    ^This.

    Besides why should they be awarded debt relief and financial privileges denied to American taxpayers. If we have to pay our bills and debts without relief then so should they. Otherwise we are just tax slaves for them.
    Related:

    Top Official Confirms Saudis Paid US $500 Million To Cover Troop Costs

    But it's not the first time the Saudis have foot the bill for major troop presence on its soil, as the CNN report notes:

    Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other Gulf states paid $36 billion towards the costs of the Gulf War in 1990-91.
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    At least we are getting paid now which is a good thing but he has some explaining to do as to why they are there since this is not what he ran on. Winning brownie points from the Neocons, not leaving and selling Troops is not a sound policy position without backing it up with an explanation.

    This is what Congress should be asking instead of this blatant malpractice of wasting time on partisan politics solely in a quest to gain power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    At least we are getting paid now which is a good thing but he has some explaining to do as to why they are there since this is not what he ran on. Winning brownie points from the Neocons, not leaving and selling Troops is not a sound policy position without backing it up with an explanation.

    This is what Congress should be asking instead of this blatant malpractice of wasting time on partisan politics solely in a quest to gain power.
    I am sure he will start bringing the troops home.
    And making our "allies" pay for them will encourage them to defend themselves so that the Neocons can't complain when we bring the troops home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I am sure he will start bringing the troops home.
    And making our "allies" pay for them will encourage them to defend themselves so that the Neocons can't complain when we bring the troops home.
    Trump is sending MORE to the Mid east. There are more there than under Obama.



    Aee you really 'sure' they're coming home? because i'm sure as hell am not.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Trump is sending MORE to the Mid east. There are more there than under Obama.



    Aee you really 'sure' they're coming home? because i'm sure as hell am not.
    Trump had reduced the number by about 18,000 before the deepstate whipped up tensions with Iran and he is ending the Afghan war.
    He will start bringing the troops home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had reduced the number by about 18,000 before the deepstate whipped up tensions with Iran and he is ending the Afghan war.
    He will start bringing the troops home.
    He hasn't decreased them. Amash points out he has increased them. More there now than under Obama.

    He wont bring them home. Stop posting the same crap every $#@!ing night

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    He hasn't decreased them. Amash points out he has increased them. More there now than under Obama.

    He wont bring them home. Stop posting the same crap every $#@!ing night
    He had decreased them and he will bring them home.

    Stop using TDS as supposed evidence for your position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He had decreased them and he will bring them home.

    Stop using TDS as supposed evidence for your position.
    OMG, you really are deluded. Welcome to my ignore list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    OMG, you really are deluded. Welcome to my ignore list.
    If you really put me on ignore it shows that you don't want the truth as much as you want TDS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Trump is sending MORE to the Mid east. There are more there than under Obama.



    Aee you really 'sure' they're coming home? because i'm sure as hell am not.
    Not if you count ISIS

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