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    Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: We won't negotiate with the US

    So much for Trump's strategy/3d chess, etc.

    Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has said European nations including the UK "cannot be trusted" but Tehran is not against negotiating with anyone - except the US.

    Giving his first sermon in eight years in Tehran, the top cleric branded Donald Trump a "clown" who only pretended to support the Iranian people and would "push a poisonous dagger" into their back.

    Mr Khamenei also hailed missile strikes against US targets in retaliation for the assassination of Iran's top military commander as a "slap on the face" to the superpower.

    Mr Khamenei's defiant address came as the Iranian leadership faced pressure both at home and abroad.

    Thousands had gathered inside the grand mosque in central Tehran and packed the surrounding streets, chanting "Death to America".

    Iran has been rocked by protests after the military admitted to mistakenly shooting down a passenger plane, killing all 176 passengers on board, in the tense hours after the missile attack.

    Mr Khamenei described the crash as a tragedy and a very sad incident that was used by Iran's "enemies", used to overshadow the killing of Major General Qassem Soleimani, whose funeral drew huge crowds onto the streets.

    New CCTV footage has emerged which purports to show two missiles launching in Tehran and hitting the Ukrainian passenger jet

    The deadly drone strike against the military leader showed Washington's "terrorist nature", he said.

    Referring to Tehran's show of force in response, Mr Khamenei added: "The fact that Iran has the power to give such a slap to a world power shows the hand of God."

    Tensions between Iran and the US have steadily ramped up since Mr Trump withdrew from Iran's 2015 nuclear deal with world powers, which imposed curbs on its nuclear programme in exchange for the lifting of international sanctions.

    The White House has subsequently slapped crippling sanctions on Iran, including its vital oil and gas industry, pushing the country into an economic crisis that has triggered unrest.

    Mr Trump has openly encouraged the protesters - even tweeting in Farsi - in a bid to destabilise America's longtime foe.

    After Maj Gen Soleimani was killed in Baghdad, Iran announced it would no longer be bound by the limitations in the nuclear agreement.

    Britain, France and Germany, who have been trying to salvage the unravelling deal, responded by triggering a formal dispute mechanism that is aimed at bringing Iran back into line and could result in further sanctions.

    Mr Khamenei, who was always sceptical of the nuclear accord, told worshippers the European countries "cannot be trusted" and said they were too weak to "bring Iranians to their knees".

    He said they were "contemptible" governments and "servants" of the US.

    However, he added that Iran was willing to negotiate, but not with Washington.

    Donald Trump warns Iran that consequences will be suffered if any wrong-doing is perpetrated

    The 80-year-old has held the country's top office since 1989 and has the final say on all major decisions.

    He last delivered a Friday sermon in 2012, when he called Israel a "cancerous tumour" and vowed to support anyone confronting it.

    He also warned against any US strikes on Iran over its nuclear programme, saying the US would be damaged "10 times over".
    https://news.sky.com/story/iran-will...eader-11910532



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    Iran ain't Iraq. People forget these aren't a bunch of tribal Arabs with no national heritage. Persian heritage is a proud and united one. Iran would be one of the more reasonable nations to negotiate with. Hope Trump figures this out.
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    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Iran is so sad now that their beloved commander is fired killed.
    FTFY. Makes much more sense now, doesn't it? You are welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slave Mentality View Post
    FTFY. Makes much more sense now, doesn't it? You are welcome.
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    Additionally, a millimeter-wave radar seeker allows the missile to be used as a fire-and-forget weapon capable of homing in on moving vehicles. The firer can even switch the missile mid-flight from laser to radar-guided mode, if they need to perform evasive maneuvers instead of continuing to track their target with the laser designator.

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    Right on cue, we will start hearing more about the Ayatollah Khamenei...

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    Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Russia, those would all work. One day it’s Gaddafi, then Arafat, then Saddam, the next Assad (I and II). In Iran, demons everywhere. First the Ayatollah Khomeini, then Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, then Soleimani, and next will probably be the Ayatollah Khamenei.
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    Well, I'm now convinced..

    Iran: Was Khomeini CIA?

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?196935-Iran-Was-Khomeini-CIA
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Iran ain't Iraq. People forget these aren't a bunch of tribal Arabs with no national heritage. Persian heritage is a proud and united one. Iran would be one of the more reasonable nations to negotiate with. Hope Trump figures this out.
    The guy Trump assassinated was responsible for torturing and killing over 1,600 Iranians protesting their government in the streets.

    We have threads on here documenting hundreds or more Iranians protesting in the street talking about how their government is tyrannical and Trump actually cares about them because he helped slay their most corrupt and violent overlord.

    These people could be imprisoned and killed for doing that..

    It's showing massive amounts of disrespect to the people of Iran by supporting their totalitarian regime.

    The idea that Trump doesn't want to negotiate with them and that he doesn't want Iran to be the best Iran they can be is ludicrous.

    All this shows is how out of touch the Ayatollah is with his people.
    Last edited by dannno; 01-17-2020 at 11:28 AM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Well, I'm now convinced..

    Iran: Was Khomeini CIA?

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?196935-Iran-Was-Khomeini-CIA
    That's a long essay full of speculation. I'm not convinced..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Well, I'm now convinced..

    Iran: Was Khomeini CIA?

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?196935-Iran-Was-Khomeini-CIA
    You do know those are two different Ayatollahs?
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    Thumbs down Iranian Marxism First

    Homegrown Iranian Marxist Terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    You do know those are two different Ayatollahs?
    Khameini, Khomeini, both sound like CIA to me at this point.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Well, I'm now convinced..

    Iran: Was Khomeini CIA?

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?196935-Iran-Was-Khomeini-CIA


    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    You do know those are two different Ayatollahs?
    At this point, what difference does it make?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Well, I'm now convinced..

    Iran: Was Khomeini CIA?

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?196935-Iran-Was-Khomeini-CIA
    Khomeini is dead since the late 80s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    Khomeini is dead since the late 80s.
    Ya, but if Khomeini was CIA, then Khameini is definitely CIA.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    So much for Trump's strategy/3d chess, etc.



    https://news.sky.com/story/iran-will...eader-11910532
    Why would anyone want to negotiate with the Persians and for what ? I say leave them to the lovely sermons , lift sanctions and move on in the current century .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    You do know those are two different Ayatollahs?
    One CIA asset would choose another as his successor.
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    Trump offers peace talks and Iran refuses.

    But Iran is the good guy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump offers peace talks and Iran refuses.

    But Iran is the good guy?
    They rightly told him to get $#@!ed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    They rightly told him to get $#@!ed.
    LOL

    Warmongers are good as long as they are anti-American?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    They rightly told him to get $#@!ed.
    And they trust Europe???

    They are either CIA or they are retarded.

    Trump had the opportunity to bomb them to oblivion, and he stepped back and gave them a peace offering.

    Europe has no interest in the well being of the Iranian public.

    The Iranian public are demonstrating against their dictators and many of them favor Trump for helping remove a violent dictator overlord of their from the planet.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    People who chant death to America are the good guys if you want death to America.
    It is becoming clearer that many leftarians are anti-Americans first, last and always.

    They want America destroyed more than they want peace or liberty.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    And they trust Europe???

    They are either CIA or they are retarded.

    Trump had the opportunity to bomb them to oblivion, and he stepped back and gave them a peace offering.

    Europe has no interest in the well being of the Iranian public.

    The Iranian public are demonstrating against their dictators and many of them favor Trump for helping remove a violent dictator overlord of their from the planet.
    He calls Europe 'servants' of America.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    He calls Europe 'servants' of America.
    He has it backwards, the US was a servant to the European bankers and oligarchs. But not anymore. Not since Trump.

    Trump is not on their team. Trump is an enemy to the European oligarchs.

    The Iranian regime is choosing to align with the European oligarchs and the deep state, when their people want exactly the opposite.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Ya, but if Khomeini was CIA, then Khameini is definitely CIA.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    One CIA asset would choose another as his successor.
    Is this some kind of Q thing?
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    ďThey are what they hate.Ē - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Is this some kind of Q thing?
    Q has implied as much but I was a believer in the Iran/CIA theory before I heard of Q.

    That thread about it began in 2009 so it's definitely older than Q.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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