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    Rand just voted for the USMCA




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    So did “republican” Mike Lee.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Kooky Ron Paul at it again making sense on managed trade policies

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    wtf!

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Kooky Ron Paul at it again making sense on managed trade policies
    Uh ya, but if Ron Paul had the opportunity to replace one managed trade deal with a better managed trade deal (defined as having more free trade and lower tariffs), do you think he would vote for it?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    wtf!
    Is that a "wtf!" Rand, what are you thinking?

    Or is that a "wtf!" I was told that USMCA was really really bad, and Rand voted for it so maybe it is an improvement over what we had afterall?

    I'm curious because the first one would presume that you know more about the USMCA than Rand. That is quite a presumption.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Uh ya, but if Ron Paul had the opportunity to replace one managed trade deal with a better managed trade deal (defined as having more free trade and lower tariffs), do you think he would vote for it?
    Maybe so but Rand is the kind of go along, get along person that he would probably vote for TPP too. He is just a good team player

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Is that a "wtf!" Rand, what are you thinking?

    Or is that a "wtf!" I was told that USMCA was really really bad, and Rand voted for it so maybe it is an improvement over what we had afterall?

    I'm curious because the first one would presume that you know more about the USMCA than Rand. That is quite a presumption.

    im presuming its still nafduh


    L00k im down with a NAU now, strategically its smart but it must preserve our sovereignty

    or

    we could start building s hi t again here...either way


    as long as we can stay in our genie bottle and wax about what used to be

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Rand probly knew it would pass before the vote, due to all of the left-tard “republicans” who never read the thing but actually believe it is better than NAFTA, so therefore voted Yay in order to keep his seat next election. Anybody who opposes trump is bad bad evil bad, after all.

    Still, a bad move and Rand gets a double whammy Negative from me.

    This thread sheds light on who the left-tard republicans are.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Thumbs down Trump Cult of Globalism

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    America first, but everybody needs to understand a certain amount of flexibility is necessary.

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    Toomey was the only GOP senator to vote against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Rand probly knew it would pass before the vote, due to all of the left-tard “republicans” who never read the thing but actually believe it is better than NAFTA, so therefore voted Yay in order to keep his seat next election. Anybody who opposes trump is bad bad evil bad, after all.

    Still, a bad move and Rand gets a double whammy Negative from me.

    This thread sheds light on who the left-tard republicans are.
    So this is the policy Rand sold out on in order to keep his seat? Because if he voted differently Kentucky would turn against him? Because of this vote?

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    Rand just voted for NAFTA, renamed so that Trump can pretend that he's a great and terrific and dealerific deal-maker.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Rand probly knew it would pass before the vote, due to all of the left-tard “republicans” who never read the thing but actually believe it is better than NAFTA, so therefore voted Yay in order to keep his seat next election. Anybody who opposes trump is bad bad evil bad, after all.

    Still, a bad move and Rand gets a double whammy Negative from me.

    This thread sheds light on who the left-tard republicans are.
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    So this is the policy Rand sold out on in order to keep his seat? Because if he voted differently Kentucky would turn against him? Because of this vote?
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Rand just voted for NAFTA, renamed so that Trump can pretend that he's a great and terrific and dealerific deal-maker.
    ...or maybe it's better than what we had.

    What should Trump do? Have them draft a real free trade agreement that will never pass, or draft a better agreement that is more free trade than what we had before?

    What should Rand do? Vote for a better agreement, or vote against a better agreement?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    The farmers in KY wanted it

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    ...or maybe it's better than what we had.
    Are you a big fan of labor unions and minimum wage laws? The amazing deal protected productivity-wrecking American labor unions by forcing the Mexicans to strengthen their unions and raise the minumum wage. Mmmm, can you smell the freedom? Ron Paul on steroids (if Ron Paul were a socialist idiot).

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Are you a big fan of labor unions and minimum wage laws? The amazing deal protected productivity-wrecking American labor unions by forcing the Mexicans to strengthen their unions and raise the minumum wage. Mmmm, can you smell the freedom? Ron Paul on steroids (if Ron Paul were a socialist idiot).
    There's a lot of stuff in the deal that may offset some of the negative things. I trust Rand.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    There's a lot of stuff in the deal that may offset some of the negative things. I trust Rand.
    It is basically the same as NAFTA except Canada agrees to buy a bit more dairy products from us and Mexico will pay their auto workers at least $15 a hour. Congress added more powers to labor unions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    There's a lot of stuff in the deal that may offset some of the negative things. I trust Rand.
    You shouldn't trust any politician, even Rand.

    ...especially when you only trust him because he votes in favor of your repugnant reality TV God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It is basically the same as NAFTA except Canada agrees to buy a bit more dairy products from us and Mexico will pay their auto workers at least $15 a hour. Congress added more powers to labor unions.
    There is more than that.
    But the best part is the sunset clause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    There is more than that.
    But the best part is the sunset clause.
    The best part of the amazing deal is that it ends soon, LOL.



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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The best part of the amazing deal is that it ends soon, LOL.
    I never was in favor of it.

    But if it gets rid of NAFTA and then goes away it will have been a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I never was in favor of it.

    But if it gets rid of NAFTA and then goes away it will have been a good thing.
    It's replacing NAFTA will something which on balance is about the same as NAFTA.

    And when it goes away, if it does, the result won't be free trade; it'll be NAFTA.

    So...

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    It's replacing NAFTA will something which on balance is about the same as NAFTA.

    And when it goes away, if it does, the result won't be free trade; it'll be NAFTA.

    So...
    No, when it goes away it will not reset to NAFTA.
    NAFTA is dead, short live the USMCA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No, when it goes away it will not reset to NAFTA.
    NAFTA is dead, short live the USMCA.
    So, when the USMCA expires, what will then be the trade situation between the three countries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    So, when the USMCA expires, what will then be the trade situation between the three countries?
    Pre-NAFTA unless they renew the USMCA or create something new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Toomey was the only GOP senator to vote against it.
    Yep-
    There is no spoon.

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