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    Exclamation Trump says it doesn't matter if Soleimani posed an imminent threat

    Changing his story now...

    President Trump on Monday said it didn’t matter if Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani posed an imminent threat to the United States because of his “horrible past.”

    Trump also asserted that his national security team agreed on the imminent threat posed by Soleimani that led to the decision to kill him. He made this assertion despite remarks from Defense Secretary Mark Esper on Sunday that undercut Trump’s claim that the Iranian general was planning to target four American embassies before a U.S. drone strike killed him in Baghdad on Jan. 3.

    “The Fake News Media and their Democrat Partners are working hard to determine whether or not the future attack by terrorist Soleimani was ‘eminent’ or not, & was my team in agreement,” Trump tweeted Monday morning.

    “The answer to both is a strong YES., but it doesn’t really matter because of his horrible past!” the president continued.

    Trump later accused the media and Democrats of “trying to make terrorist Soleimani into a wonderful guy, only because I did what should have been done for 20 years.”

    Trump’s tweets marked an effort to defend the decision to strike Soleimani -- who commanded Iran’s Quds Force, a designated terrorist organization – after days of scrutiny about the intelligence underlying the decision to authorize the strike against him.

    Trump administration officials have described the strike against Soleimani as a defensive measure aimed at preventing imminent attacks orchestrated by Iran that threatened American lives.

    But officials have remained close-lipped about the details of the alleged plots, and congressional lawmakers – most of them Democrats – have complained about the insufficiency of classified briefings on the intelligence that led up to the decision.

    Officials have also cited Iran’s recent escalations – including a rocket attack that killed an American contractor in Iraq – in defending the strike against the Iranian general.

    Trump has decried Soleimani as a “sadistic mass murderer” with American blood on his hands, saying at a campaign rally in Ohio last week that the drone strike that targeted the general was an effort to deliver justice to Americans. Soleimani has been blamed for the deaths of hundreds of U.S. troops in the Middle East over the years.

    “Last week, the United States once again took the bold and decisive action to save American lives and deliver American justice," Trump told a crowd of supporters in Toledo Thursday evening.

    Trump also suggested at the rally that Soleimani had planned to attack U.S. embassies, later telling Fox News host Laura Ingraham that he believed four embassies were being targeted by Iran, including the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad.

    Esper, however, said Sunday that he did not see specific intelligence indicating Iran was preparing to attack four U.S. embassies.

    “I didn’t see one with regard to four embassies,” Esper said on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”

    Esper said that he shared Trump’s view that “probably — my expectation was they were going to go after our embassies. The embassies are the most prominent display of American presence in a country.”

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo also defended the decision to authorize the strike, saying on Friday the intelligence suggested Soleimani was planning a “large-scale” attack that threated American facilities including embassies.

    Still, he said that the Trump administration did not know precisely when or where the attack would occur.

    “We would have been culpably negligent had we not recommended to the president that he take this action against Soleimani,” Pompeo told reporters at the White House. “He made the right call and America is safer as a result of that.”
    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...mminent-threat



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    When it comes to deflections Trump does it best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo also defended the decision to authorize the strike, saying on Friday the intelligence suggested Soleimani was planning a “large-scale” attack that threated American facilities including embassies.

    Still, he said that the Trump administration did not know precisely when or where the attack would occur.

    “We would have been culpably negligent had we not recommended to the president that he take this action against Soleimani,” Pompeo told reporters at the White House. “He made the right call and America is safer as a result of that.”
    This is a nightmare. At least Bush got Congressional approval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    This is a nightmare. At least Bush got Congressional approval.
    Trump only needs approval from Trump. Or Fox News.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    This is a nightmare. At least Bush got Congressional approval.
    The American public has been conditioned. Extrajudicial murder is OK as long as it is called a pre-emptive killing to prevent an imminent threat. “Imminent? Say no more, it was justified and legal.”

    All of those seasons of Jack Bauer dispatching an evil person or two every week for years on “24” was not just for entertainment. It had a specific propaganda goal. You have been conditioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    This is a nightmare. At least Bush got Congressional approval.
    What the hell are you talking about? This guy was killing Americans on the battlefield. Since when do they need congressional approval to kill somebody on the battlefield who was already killing people, and had plans to kill more people?

    I'm sick of civilians dying, and soldiers who are fighting for their country, on either side..

    These demented, violent generals at the top who are fomenting war and ordering the killings, they are exactly who should be taken out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What the hell are you talking about? This guy was killing Americans on the battlefield. Since when do they need congressional approval to kill somebody on the battlefield who was already killing people, and had plans to kill more people?

    I'm sick of civilians dying, and soldiers who are fighting for their country, on either side..

    These demented, violent generals at the top who are fomenting war and ordering the killings, they are exactly who should be taken out.
    If you're sick of civilians dying, maybe you should stop supporting the #1 killer of civilians on the planet, the POTUS. Or maybe you think he "should be taken out" ?
    https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/...asualties-war/
    https://warontherocks.com/2019/04/tr...oes-it-matter/

    But I suppose somehow you think 1 US contractor being killed and some embassy arson is far worse..



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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    If you're sick of civilians dying, maybe you should stop supporting the #1 killer of civilians on the planet, the POTUS. Or maybe you think he "should be taken out" ?
    https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/...asualties-war/
    https://warontherocks.com/2019/04/tr...oes-it-matter/

    But I suppose somehow you think 1 US contractor being killed and some embassy arson is far worse..
    They are citing WaPo, who probably cites the white helmets, who both hate Trump and are funded by George Soros and are known liars and fraudsters.

    Soleimani killed a lot more than that, he also killed and torutured 1,600 of his own citizens for peacefully protesting.

    Sorry, I'm not going to feel bad for him.

    Do others deserve it? Mike Pompeo? John Bolton? You could probably make a good case for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    If you're sick of civilians dying, maybe you should stop supporting the #1 killer of civilians on the planet, the POTUS. Or maybe you think he "should be taken out" ?
    https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/...asualties-war/
    https://warontherocks.com/2019/04/tr...oes-it-matter/

    But I suppose somehow you think 1 US contractor being killed and some embassy arson is far worse..
    It's not just one contractor the guy posted a picture on social media of him blowing up the whitehouse and was responsible for lots of Americans losing their lives and limbs and was also responsible for the deaths of lots of Iranian people. He was a terrorist and the world can breathe easier knowing that there is one less terrorist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What the hell are you talking about? This guy was killing Americans on the battlefield. Since when do they need congressional approval to kill somebody on the battlefield who was already killing people, and had plans to kill more people?

    I'm sick of civilians dying, and soldiers who are fighting for their country, on either side..

    These demented, violent generals at the top who are fomenting war and ordering the killings, they are exactly who should be taken out.
    There is no verification that he killed anybody on the battlefield, either.

    The law is clear - a president can order military action without Congressional approval only in the event of an imminent attack. We now know they were planning this for 7 months. He had time to go to Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There is no verification that he killed anybody on the battlefield, either.


    Not to mention killing and torturing over 1,600 Iranians for protesting their government.
    Last edited by dannno; 01-13-2020 at 09:28 PM.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    This was the argument I made from the beginning, so I'm not sure what you want me to say.
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    This was the argument I made from the beginning, so I'm not sure what you want me to say.
    Exactly.
    And Trump isn't "Changing his story", he still says the attack was imminent, he just also points out that that wouldn't matter.


    Like I have said before:

    He was a uniformed member and leader of an organization that brags about being at war with us and killing us, he was in Iraq while our people were being killed and our embassy was attacked and was accompanying uniformed members and leaders of the groups carrying out those attacks, groups that his group helped to create, fund and direct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Exactly.
    And Trump isn't "Changing his story", he still says the attack was imminent, he just also points out that that wouldn't matter.


    Like I have said before:

    He was a uniformed member and leader of an organization that brags about being at war with us and killing us, he was in Iraq while our people were being killed and our embassy was attacked and was accompanying uniformed members and leaders of the groups carrying out those attacks, groups that his group helped to create, fund and direct.
    They have been saying for a week an attack was imminent - with no evidence - now Trump says it doesn.t matter. Of course it matters.

    You keep repeating the same nonsense the was responsible for the death of Americans with no proof other than words/propaganda, you soumd like Pompeo or Romney. Soleimani was killing ISIS and he was in Baghdad at the invitation of the Iraqi militia who's commander was also killed in the strike along with 5 others. You never acknowledge this. Innocents died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    They have been saying for a week an attack was imminent - with no evidence - now Trump says it doesn.t matter. Of course it matteers.

    You keep repeating the same nonesense the was responsible for the death of Americans with no proof other than words/propaganda, you soumd like Pompeo or Romney. Soleimani was killing ISIS and he was in Baghdad at the invitation of the Iraqi militia who's commander was also killed in the strike along with 5 others, you never acknowledge this. Innocents died.
    You keep ignoring the proof I provide that he was killing Americans and the fact that the people he was meeting with had just attacked our embassy.

    No innocents died.
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    Might as well reuse this...there is no timetable for imminent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Oh, but there was an “imminent” threat, it just depends upon your definition of “imminent”. To the government neoconservatives, the word has a much different meaning than you think.

    It’s probably easier to say what it does not mean. It does not mean or equate to any of the following words:

    - Immediate
    - Inevitable
    - Conclusively

    Basically, the word now means that they believe the other party is probably up to no good, and they can think of no other option except for violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Might as well reuse this...there is no timetable for imminent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Trump had no evidence that general was even a terrorist but hey his best advisors are the worst neocons so who cares right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    This was the argument I made from the beginning, so I'm not sure what you want me to say.
    So you're okay with the killing of someone that was bringing a peace proposal? You're okay with Trump lying about his reasons for the strike? And you bases on your belief in the unsubstantiated allegations by the military industrial complex that Iran was behind the efps that the Iraqis were actually making themselves without any rain to help? You really have swallowed a bunch of crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    So you're okay with the killing of someone that was bringing a peace proposal? You're okay with Trump lying about his reasons for the strike? And you bases on your belief in the unsubstantiated allegations by the military industrial complex that Iran was behind the efps that the Iraqis were actually making themselves without any rain to help? You really have swallowed a bunch of crap.
    You base your belief that Trump lied about his reasons for the strike on faith alone. I didnt know TDS was a church. You keep acting like you have military intelligence. Are you part of the military?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    dont worry i am sure he will cite either InforWars or Fox News eventually.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    My money is on Youtube
    True. Even Infowars does not support @dannno's bat guano crazy Trump set off a nuke inside United States theory.

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    Amazing how the world can flip on a dime. Iran is running peace keeping missions and the President needs approval to do anything:


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    Quote Originally Posted by RPtotheWH View Post
    Amazing how the world can flip on a dime. Iran is running peace keeping missions and the President needs approval to do anything:

    [video=youtube;Tkc6he96ne=emb_title[/video]
    If you cared enough to fact-check yourself, you'd see that the Ron Paul supporters around here were angry about Obama's illegal actions as well. Because we aren't hypocritical homocidal psychopaths, nor do we support them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    If you cared enough to fact-check yourself, you'd see that the Ron Paul supporters around here were angry about Obama's illegal actions as well. Because we aren't hypocritical homocidal psychopaths, nor do we support them.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to angelatc again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    If you cared enough to fact-check yourself, you'd see that the Ron Paul supporters around here were angry about Obama's illegal actions as well. Because we aren't hypocritical homocidal psychopaths, nor do we support them.
    I fact-checked myself. Everything in my post was factual. You started going on about Obama, meanwhile I didn't even say what Trump did was right. I'm laughing at the Iran Peace Mission narrative people are attempting to put out there now. So all this time they have been waving an olive branch and everyone missed it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPtotheWH View Post
    I fact-checked myself. Everything in my post was factual.
    Nope, it wasn't. Go away, neocon warmonger. These are non-intervention forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Nope, it wasn't. Go away, neocon warmonger. These are non-intervention forums.
    Are you seeing things? Are you saying the video is fake or Iran is not new to the peace-keeping stage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You base your belief that Trump lied about his reasons for the strike on faith alone. I didnt know TDS was a church. You keep acting like you have military intelligence. Are you part of the military?
    You are the one with TDS which is Trump delusion syndrome. Watch this video and learn something.https://youtu.be/WjtMSaOBaiU

    That Trump lied is self-evident. At first he said there was an imminent attack. He even named for embassies that he said were about to be attacked. And now he's back off that lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You are the one with TDS which is Trump delusion syndrome. Watch this video and learn something.https://youtu.be/WjtMSaOBaiU

    That Trump lied is self-evident. At first he said there was an imminent attack. He even named for embassies that he said were about to be attacked. And now he's back off that lie.
    He said he believed that they would probably be targeted. He didn't specificially say those were the targets. Saying specifically what intelligence we had where potential adversaries can hear it not only advertises your capabilities but gives them a chance to potentially reverse engineer your methods or source. For example the source could be human intelligence. It could be an individual who works as a spy for the Iranian regime. Giving the Iranian regime information that potentially only your spy would know about would mean either death for that individual or they would potentially even give that spy bad information knowingly so that we would no longer get accurate information but would believe it to be accurate and give up a valuable resource that could cost lives of Americans or American allies.

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