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    Sepsis Patients Saved with Vitamin C Therapy

    Lori Alton
    January 7, 2020


    Sepsis, a body-wide bacterial infection, is a dangerous condition that can rapidly progress to septic shock and organ failure. With a mortality rate approaching 60 percent, sepsis is currently one of the leading causes of death in critically ill patients in the United States. Now, a new study published in the highly-respected Journal of the American Medical Association has revealed that high-dosage vitamin C can greatly improve the chances of survival of sepsis patients.

    Natural health experts have long insisted that vitamin C can help combat a variety of serious conditions, including heart disease and cancer. To learn what the latest study shows about this amazing nutrient’s effects on sepsis, keep reading.

    Bombshell finding: High-dose vitamin C can offer lifesaving effects
    In a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial involving 167 participants in seven intensive care units, patients with sepsis and respiratory distress syndrome were given just 50 mg/ kg of vitamin C – every 6 hours – intravenously for 96 hours.

    The researchers evaluated organ dysfunction, inflammation and vascular injury in an attempt to find out if vitamin C was a more effective therapy for organ failure than the current standard of care for sepsis. And, this study was published in JAMA in October – yielded intriguing results.

    On the one hand, the team found that the vitamin C treatment, after 96 hours, did not significantly reduce markers of inflammation or organ failure (in this particular study, at least). But it had an even more important effect – it seemed to increase the odds of survival.

    In other words, when sepsis patients were given vitamin C, fewer died.

    Study: Vitamin C benefits to sepsis patients include lower risk of mortality – and fewer days in the hospital
    Researchers found, at the 28-day mark, that 25 of the 84 vitamin C patients died, compared to 38 of the 82 patients on placebo. In other words: nearly half of the placebo group died, while only one-third of the vitamin C patients succumbed.

    The vitamin C group also averaged two and a half days less of ventilator use, and spent less time in the intensive care unit. In fact, 25 percent of the vitamin C-treated group made it out of the ICU in a week – while in placebo patients, the average was only 10.2 percent.

    The study’s lead researcher, Alpha A. Fowler III, MD, declared that vitamin C therapy could potentially transform the way doctors care for sepsis patients. Dr. Fowler called for more study to further explore the effects of vitamin C on sepsis.

    Of course, no discussion of vitamin C and sepsis would be complete without mention of the groundbreaking work of Dr. Paul E. Marik, whose revolutionary sepsis protocol includes – (wait for it!), vitamin C.

    Vitamin C-based protocol drastically improves patient survival in additional studies
    Dr. Marik, a physician at Eastern Virginia Medical School, treats sepsis with a “cocktail” consisting of vitamin C, vitamin B1 (or thiamine) and hydrocortisone. In a retrospective study published in Chest and involving 47 patients, Dr. Marik reported that 8.5 percent of the vitamin C-treated patients died, as opposed to 40.4 percent of the control patients – a near-miraculous result.

    A powerful antioxidant and anti-inflammatory agent, vitamin C is uniquely positioned to address the oxidative damage and inflammation that are characteristic of sepsis and septic shock. However, high dosages of vitamin C are required, because the very act of being ill drastically diminishes levels in the body.

    Dr. Michael H. Hooper, MD, a colleague of Dr. Marik’s, notes that sepsis patients are “remarkably deficient” in vitamin C – and points to the importance of raising levels not only in the blood plasma, but in the vital organs as well. Increasingly, other scientists are confirming the therapeutic effects of vitamin C.

    In a recent review published in Current Opinion in Anesthesiology, the authors report that there is an “abundance of plausible data” for the protective effects of vitamin C against “damaging oxidative stress and organ dysfunction in sepsis and septic shock.”

    With several clinical trials on vitamin C and sepsis currently underway, additional findings will soon be forthcoming.

    The value of high-dose vitamin C therapy goes largely unacknowledged by Western medicine
    Of course, no surprise, conventional medicine has been slow to embrace vitamin C therapy – with many practitioners believing that the research is “insufficient” to justify changes in clinical practice. Skeptics point to the small study sizes in the research on sepsis and vitamin C, and the fact that – in Dr. Marik’s protocol, three simultaneous interventions are used.

    Some physicians maintain that high dosages of vitamin C can cause kidney failure – although advocates of the treatment, including Dr. Hooper, insist there is “ample” evidence showing that vitamin C is perfectly safe.

    Food for thought: How many more lives could vitamin C be saving?
    Currently, Western medicine treats sepsis with intravenous fluids, antibiotics and vasopressor drugs. To be clear, no proponent of high-dose vitamin C is urging that the treatment replace existing medical therapy – but, that it should be offered in conjunction.

    Certainly, people should not be denied the chance to benefit from this non-toxic and inexpensive option, especially when faced with a life-threatening medical crisis such as sepsis.

    Bottom line: If you have a loved one dying of sepsis in an intensive care unit, insist that Dr. Marik’s protocol be immediately initiated. And, if you are denied this option, make sure the physician understands that you will undertake legal action.

    As Dr. Fowler recently stated, “We may have found a lifesaving therapy.” And, patients who survived sepsis – after being given the vitamin C protocol – would certainly agree.

    Sources for this article include:

    LifeExtension.com
    NaturalHealth365.com
    NIH.gov
    https://www.naturalhealth365.com/sep...rapy-3247.html
    My website: https://www.theherbsofthefield.com/

    "No one is useless in this world who lightens the burdens of another. ~ Charles Dickens



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    Real science, not the clickbait crap link above: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...n-c-for-sepsis

    It's not as simple as she probably thinks it is.
    Scientists from around the world have jumped on this claim to support or refute it because, if it worked, it would save millions of lives. The biggest study published to date now comes to a vexing conclusion. If you read the study summary, vitamin C didn't help the patients. But if you dig deep into the paper, you will find that the people who got the treatment were much more likely to survive.
    "They have to explain how vitamin C would have an impact on mortality through a mechanism that did not affect the organ failure scores,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Real science, not the clickbait crap link above: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...n-c-for-sepsis

    It's not as simple as she probably thinks it is.
    The article in the OP explained everything in your quote first, and it also explained how it helped later on here:

    Vitamin C-based protocol drastically improves patient survival in additional studiesDr. Marik, a physician at Eastern Virginia Medical School, treats sepsis with a “cocktail” consisting of vitamin C, vitamin B1 (or thiamine) and hydrocortisone. In a retrospective study published in Chest and involving 47 patients, Dr. Marik reported that 8.5 percent of the vitamin C-treated patients died, as opposed to 40.4 percent of the control patients – a near-miraculous result.


    A powerful antioxidant and anti-inflammatory agent, vitamin C is uniquely positioned to address the oxidative damage and inflammation that are characteristic of sepsis and septic shock. However, high dosages of vitamin C are required, because the very act of being ill drastically diminishes levels in the body.
    It helps to read the article as opposed to just pulling out your virtual binder and pasting in the pre-written responses.

    Maybe your "experts" aren't as great as you think.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    The article in the OP explained everything in your quote first, and it also explained how it helped later on here:



    It helps to read the article as opposed to just pulling out your virtual binder and pasting in the pre-written responses.

    Maybe your "experts" aren't as great as you think.
    Of course they are. I didn't expect you to understand what I posted - it's far too nuanced. I also refrained from pointing out that she has posted a multitude of articles incorrectly insisting that there's a chemical difference between natural and synthetic vitamin C, but here she forgot to mention that these patients were not treated with natural vitamin C.

    But my point still stands - it's not a simple as you think it is. The bottom line is that several studies,including the largest such study to date, do support it working to reduce patient mortality, but they don't understand why, because the none of the other benchmarks they use to gauge success (such as organ failure rates) don't improve.

    It's probably too complicated for you to understand - don't trouble your pretty little head about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    The article in the OP explained everything in your quote first, and it also explained how it helped later on here:



    It helps to read the article as opposed to just pulling out your virtual binder and pasting in the pre-written responses.

    Maybe your "experts" aren't as great as you think.

    Thank you.

    This science is not new. Linus Pauling was definitely right about many diseases can be eliminated by Vitamin C.


    Vitamin C
    https://drsuzanne.net/dr-suzanne-hum...ous-vitamin-c/

    Sodium ascorbate/ Vitamin C treatment of whooping cough. Suzanne Humphries, MD
    https://drsuzanne.net/2017/10/sodium...-humphries-md/
    My website: https://www.theherbsofthefield.com/

    "No one is useless in this world who lightens the burdens of another. ~ Charles Dickens

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Of course they are. I didn't expect you to understand what I posted - it's far too nuanced. I also refrained from pointing out that she has posted a multitude of articles incorrectly insisting that there's a chemical difference between natural and synthetic vitamin C, but here she forgot to mention that these patients were not treated with natural vitamin C.

    But my point still stands - it's not a simple as you think it is. The bottom line is that several studies,including the largest such study to date, do support it working to reduce patient mortality, but they don't understand why, because the none of the other benchmarks they use to gauge success (such as organ failure rates) don't improve.

    It's probably too complicated for you to understand - don't trouble your pretty little head about it.

    I understand it better than you do. So does donnay.

    Your scientists admit it works, but can't explain why.

    Donnay's scientists can explain why.

    As far as synthetic vs. natural vitamin C, both are beneficial, but natural vitamin C has a much higher absorption rate and is thus more effective. So you don't need as much.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    this is too confusing for me to take in right now in the late hour and my current sleep-deprived status.. of course i take issue with the fact that these studies conflate ascorbic acid as vitamin c when it is only part of vitamin c. one of my mds successfully treats cancer patients with intravenous ascorbic acid.. she cant say thats the reason for the cure as well.

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    BUFFERED VITAMIN C: BENEFITS, DOSING AND BRANDS
    https://pointsoforigin.com/vitamin-c/
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    "No one is useless in this world who lightens the burdens of another. ~ Charles Dickens



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    My website: https://www.theherbsofthefield.com/

    "No one is useless in this world who lightens the burdens of another. ~ Charles Dickens

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    I was looking for more details of the study- particularly the death information. There is no mention of deaths in their abstract which says there was no difference in organ failure rates in vitamin C patients and the other ones. How many deaths were there actually and what was the causes? Anybody got a link? (Study is behind a paywall at the JAMA). Were the deaths related to sepsis or other causes?

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...tm_term=100119

    Findings In this randomized clinical trial that included 167 patients in the intensive care unit, intravenous infusion of high-dose vitamin C vs placebo for 96 hours resulted in no significant differences in the modified Sequential Organ Failure Assessment score at 96 hours, or in levels of C-reactive protein and thrombomodulin at 168 hours.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-14-2020 at 12:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    kinda hard to listen to this person for 36 minutes.. just saying.. she needs to either wrap it up in a few minutes or learn how to speak so shes more interesting...



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