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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    What's sad is the men that believe the above notion is their only purpose on this mortal coil. The other sad thing is when the 'group think' plays a part of their thinking, predicated on psychological warfare to divide and conquer, and they cannot see past that falsehood.
    It does seem a bit odd that some protest taxes because they are forced to help somebody else financially yet on the same note, feel worthless because they don't have somebody they need to help financially (a wife who stays at home). And blame the government for both situations. Maybe it is because with taxes they feel like the slave in the relationship while in the marriage situation they get to rule over the slave even if they have to pay them and provide them with free room and board in exchange. It is about power.
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    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It does seem a bit odd that some protest taxes because they are forced to help somebody else financially yet on the same note, feel worthless because they don't have somebody they need to help financially. And blame the government for both situations. Maybe it is because with taxes they feel like the slave in the relationship while in the marriage situation they get to rule over the slave even if they have to pay them and provide them with free room and board in exchange. It is about power.
    Maybe they should make welfare recipients write personal thank you notes to individual tax payers. The providers might feel better about themselves.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It does seem a bit odd that some protest taxes because they are forced to help somebody else financially yet on the same note, feel worthless because they don't have somebody they need to help financially (a wife who stays at home). And blame the government for both situations. Maybe it is because with taxes they feel like the slave in the relationship while in the marriage situation they get to rule over the slave even if they have to pay them and provide them with free room and board in exchange. It is about power.
    So you subscribe to the radical feminist notion that marriage equates to slavery.

    Do you hold any kind of liberty or conservative minded views at all?

    You cannot honestly see the difference between providing for and taking care of your family and children as opposed to being taxed to do the same for a complete and utter stranger's?

    Seriously?

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    What's sad is the men that believe the above notion is their only purpose on this mortal coil. The other sad thing is when the 'group think' plays a part of their thinking, predicated on psychological warfare to divide and conquer, and they cannot see past that falsehood.
    Sounds pretty important to me.

    1 Timothy 5:8 Authorized (King James) Version

    8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

  8. #36
    This begs the question of whether work done in the home for the mutual comfort and sustenance of the family is without value. Add up what it would cost to hire laundry, child care, food prep, etc, and stop saying a stay at home spouse is not contributing to the home because she doesn’t have a paycheck.
    “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it”~~ Frederic Bastiat

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    This begs the question of whether work done in the home for the mutual comfort and sustenance of the family is without value. Add up what it would cost to hire laundry, child care, food prep, etc, and stop saying a stay at home spouse is not contributing to the home because she doesn’t have a paycheck.
    If we want to boil it down to nothing but market metrics, I guess the market has spoken.

    Fewer and fewer people are getting married and having children.

  10. #38
    The exception to the MM/MF unit that dominates human societies is being eliminated. This will result in more vicious levels of within group competition, less paternal investment in young, and increasing levels of sexual dimorphism.

    Zippy fails to understand the role ideological indoctrination has played in this development. I suppose that is convenient for they who see themselves on, "the right side of history." Ideological indoctrination is in one direction, only, towards polygyny.

    The thought that this development is organic, and that polygyny is ascending because people choose it ignores, at the least, the vast amount of propaganda and social incentives that are provided to encourage it. This is particularly true in our society when a single media complex produces a single narrative. So much for choices.
    Last edited by bv3; 01-12-2020 at 02:28 PM.

  11. #39
    When my wife stays home with the kids, she is a wreck and complains about cleaning up the same messes over and over.

    When I stay home with the kids, I either take care of personal stuff around the house or take it easy. I always look forward to the calm. Then 30 minutes before my wife gets home, I rally the kids and we spend 30 minutes cleaning up and cooking dinner, and then I tell my wife how hectic my day was and that I am grateful for the hard work she does on the days that she stays home and I go to the office.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    When my wife stays home with the kids, she is a wreck and complains about cleaning up the same messes over and over.

    When I stay home with the kids, I either take care of personal stuff around the house or take it easy. I always look forward to the calm. Then 30 minutes before my wife gets home, I rally the kids and we spend 30 minutes cleaning up and cooking dinner, and then I tell my wife how hectic my day was and that I am grateful for the hard work she does on the days that she stays home and I go to the office.
    I found the same to be true as well.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It does seem a bit odd that some protest taxes because they are forced to help somebody else financially yet on the same note, feel worthless because they don't have somebody they need to help financially (a wife who stays at home). And blame the government for both situations. Maybe it is because with taxes they feel like the slave in the relationship while in the marriage situation they get to rule over the slave even if they have to pay them and provide them with free room and board in exchange. It is about power.
    How often do you beat your wife?

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So you subscribe to the radical feminist notion that marriage equates to slavery.

    Do you hold any kind of liberty or conservative minded views at all?

    You cannot honestly see the difference between providing for and taking care of your family and children as opposed to being taxed to do the same for a complete and utter stranger's?

    Seriously?
    I think its a cultural thing. Mexico had to pass several laws in the past two decades because they treat their wifes like property.

  16. #43
    I have friends who have stayed home. Others who have always worked. What I would say is that the stay at homes don’t have as much, but they always have the option of doing something different. The ones who work generally have to stay working because it’s really expensive to live the way they do. I know when I quit working I will need fewer clothes, I won’t have to spend as much on my hair, and I would be able to cook more from scratch. I’m not at retirement age, but I know life would be easier for husband because I will be available to do a lot of the things he handles now.
    “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it”~~ Frederic Bastiat

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It does seem a bit odd that some protest taxes because they are forced to help somebody else financially yet on the same note, feel worthless because they don't have somebody they need to help financially (a wife who stays at home). And blame the government for both situations. Maybe it is because with taxes they feel like the slave in the relationship while in the marriage situation they get to rule over the slave even if they have to pay them and provide them with free room and board in exchange. It is about power.
    Don't be an idiot.
    It's about choosing to care for someone you care about and who cares about you instead of being forced to provide for people you don't know.
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  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So you subscribe to the radical feminist notion that marriage equates to slavery.

    Do you hold any kind of liberty or conservative minded views at all?

    You cannot honestly see the difference between providing for and taking care of your family and children as opposed to being taxed to do the same for a complete and utter stranger's?

    Seriously?
    Zippy is an enemy of all that is good and right.
    He should be banned from this site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It does seem a bit odd that some protest taxes because they are forced to help somebody else financially yet on the same note, feel worthless because they don't have somebody they need to help financially (a wife who stays at home). And blame the government for both situations. Maybe it is because with taxes they feel like the slave in the relationship while in the marriage situation they get to rule over the slave even if they have to pay them and provide them with free room and board in exchange. It is about power.
    Manipulative Freudianistic babble.
    If the stampman tells you to kiss his ass, shall he get away with it and live? Don't let your courage cool, or a few bullies scare you. We've nothing to fear but slavery. Love your liberty, and fight for it like men who know its value. Once lost it will never, never be regained.
    -Hugh Ledlie, 1774.

  20. #47
    Anybody ever notice Zip's technique of trying to put everyone here on the defensive? He asks the concise questions; we furiously type out a long answer.

    And I think people do a good job of refuting him, and even putting him on the defensive.

    Both liberty people and the enemy, Zip, both expend a lot of energy. Sometimes you get exhausted, but there is one difference.

    Zip goes home at the end of his posting with a paycheck. You don't.
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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Sounds pretty important to me.

    1 Timothy 5:8 Authorized (King James) Version

    8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
    I think you over-looked part of that verse, just sayin'.


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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The internet has dramatically changed all human interaction and action. That is a fact. Hard to say what the solution might be.

    The other factor brought up in the OP story is also real and relevant. As women’s jobs have become more lucrative, men’s value has gone down. Marriages that in the past would have stayed together are easily severed when the man is no longer the breadwinner. There is no use for them.
    Don't forget governments enthusiasm to jump in and provide food, housing, medical and security.

    Voting isn't even a requirement, only breeding.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Don't forget governments enthusiasm to jump in and provide food, housing, medical and security.

    Voting isn't even a requirement, only breeding.
    Of course. At the welfare end of the spectrum, government incentivizes, even demands that there be no father. No (or much less) assistance if the baby’s daddy is in the picture. Get rid of daddy, get more money and housing. Hard to say if there is more or less sex in those situations.
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  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Get rid of daddy, get more money and housing. Hard to say if there is more or less sex in those situations.
    It's profitable to have children from different fathers, many times over.

    All cases of support award the most for the first child from one man, each subsequent child only nets the breeder a mere percentage. ie; If child #1 is good for $500.00 per month in 'support' from father #1 child #2 would only net another $100-150 per month. But if the breeder chooses another sire wisely she'll be entitled to another child #1 award after gestation...

    Government funded breeding programs don't favor one sire over 5-6, ie; each additional child in the household equates to X-$ increase in benefits regardless who sires it so long as the sire lives elsewhere.

    So as to "more sex" ..........Mom is getting strange just as soon as she's able, Dad on the other hand is most likely kicked down the road for more lucrative entertainment.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Do you have a solution to propose? Or should the market decide?
    Yes, end all state welfare, let the market decide.

    Single mom's won't get welfare anymore, they will have to learn to be nice to men again.
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  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Yes, end all state welfare, let the market decide.

    Single mom's won't get welfare anymore, they will have to learn to be nice to men again.
    End all welfare AND mandate that all custody arrangements begin with 50/50 shared custody and no money changing hands unless both parties agree.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    It's profitable to have children from different fathers, many times over.

    All cases of support award the most for the first child from one man, each subsequent child only nets the breeder a mere percentage. ie; If child #1 is good for $500.00 per month in 'support' from father #1 child #2 would only net another $100-150 per month. But if the breeder chooses another sire wisely she'll be entitled to another child #1 award after gestation...

    Government funded breeding programs don't favor one sire over 5-6, ie; each additional child in the household equates to X-$ increase in benefits regardless who sires it so long as the sire lives elsewhere.

    So as to "more sex" ..........Mom is getting strange just as soon as she's able, Dad on the other hand is most likely kicked down the road for more lucrative entertainment.
    Ah, didn’t think of that. Government not only encourages single moms, they also encourage them not to be monogamous.
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  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    End all welfare AND mandate that all custody arrangements begin with 50/50 shared custody and no money changing hands unless both parties agree.
    Any sort of post separation monetary arrangements should have to be put in the marriage contract in the first place. The lawyers are getting rich off people getting their petty revenge against their exes.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Ah, didn’t think of that. Government not only encourages single moms, they also encourage them not to be monogamous.
    The 4 child retirement plan that pays the bills for 18+ years all for having a good time.

    Children can't get rid of a bad mother, they only get one..... Same with fathers.

    What society can, and should do, is make fatherhood equally advantageous.

    Common sense says no benefits for anybody, equal time with each parent.



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