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    The Strange 21st-Century Sexual Marketplace

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-...l-marketplace/

    Christopher DeGroot

    January 03, 2020

    “[O]nly God, my dear,
    Could love you for yourself alone
    And not your yellow hair.” —Yeats

    On television, in the movies, and, most of all, on that vast, unpredictable, freewheeling medium known as the internet, our culture is absolutely saturated with sex—a reality that has long troubled social conservatives.

    Meanwhile, attitudes about sex between unmarried adults have never been so permissive. People are likewise ever more accepting of gay marriage, nonmonogamous relationships, and polyamory. These things, though usually met with social stigma only a generation ago, are now widely considered to be normal and healthy. In short, in eros, as in everything else today, it’s increasingly taken for granted that people have a “right” to do whatever they want so long as they don’t harm others.

    Of course, what this narrow, individualistic perspective altogether overlooks is what would be best for society as a whole. Nor is that a wonder, because having never known anything besides such individualism, many Americans simply have no conception of what would be best for society as a whole. For this good they have no vocabulary, like a blind man who cannot describe a sunset.

    Then too, even for those who do take a broad perspective on sex, love, the family, and related matters, it’s hardly easy to reach agreement about how people should live together. Indeed, today our country is so suffused with incompatible values and interests that, whether the subject is sex, immigration, the economy, or whatever, any notion of the common good is almost certain to be controversial and, for some, question-begging.

    The most striking aspect of the 21st-century sexual marketplace is its strangeness. “These should be boom times for sex,” wrote Kate Julian in an interesting December 2018 article in The Atlantic, but still young people are having less sex than they did in preceding generations. Certainly, for many on the right this is a good thing, given their belief that since the sexual revolution there has been far too much irresponsible sex, a phenomenon that is closely related to the decline of the family.

    Anyway, wherever you stand, why the young are having less sex is a fascinating question. After all, it’s not as if there’s any shortage of men and women who want to do the thing! Nor, again, has the social environment ever been so accepting. In her article, Julian summarizes a number of studies indicating the decrease in sex frequency among teenagers and young adults; she also describes a variety of possible causes. A very important one is technology. Julian relates the story of “Simon, a 32-year-old grad student who describes himself as short and balding.”

    He couldn’t escape the sense that hitting on someone in person had, in a short period of time, gone from normal behavior to borderline creepy. His friends set up a Tinder account for him; later, he signed up for Bumble, Match, OkCupid, and Coffee Meets Bagel.

    He had better luck with Tinder than the other apps, but it was hardly efficient. He figures he swiped right—indicating that he was interested—up to 30 times for every woman who also swiped right on him, thereby triggering a match. But matching was only the beginning; then it was time to start messaging. “I was up to over 10 messages sent for a single message received,” he said. In other words: Nine out of 10 women who matched with Simon after swiping right on him didn’t go on to exchange messages with him. This means that for every 300 women he swiped right on, he had a conversation with just one.

    What a waste of time! More common, probably, than most people realize, Simon’s unhappy fate signifies just how much the sexual marketplace has changed since women entered the workforce en masse. It used to be that a man of average or below-average attractiveness could nevertheless be fairly attractive to women as a provider. Today, though, women are making their own money, and thanks to technology, are flooded by male attention. So their options, and expectations regarding men, have changed. A man who can pay the bills, or at least contribute to paying the bills, is one among a great many others who can do the same. And some of those others are high-status, handsome, charming, witty, and so forth. Dear God, dear beauties, some even have lots of followers on social media!

    Even though, for most men, the internet is a futile way to meet women, a study published last July in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found that heterosexual couples are now more likely to meet online than through personal contacts and connections. In other words, the internet is now a greater matchmaker than the traditional social circle.

    Consistent with this finding, Kate Julian quotes a teacher in Northern Virginia: “No one approaches anyone in public anymore,” she says, her words chiming with those of a 28-year-old woman in Los Angeles: “The dating landscape has changed. People are less likely to ask you out in real life now, or even talk to begin with.” After all, in the hysterical #MeToo era, such “going for it” is not easily distinguished from “sexual harassment.”

    More and more, men and women are just not learning how to meet each other without the aid of technology—a cultural change whose significance it would be difficult to overestimate. Technology produces the illusion of rational control, making sex and love seem much simpler than they are. Technology allows us to deal with people at our convenience, to keep them at a certain comfortable distance. But notice the cost: Technology also exacerbates the natural selfishness and fickleness of human nature, and so internet dating is characterized by exceedingly unreliable characters, by things like ghosting and flaking, hell to men and women alike.

    Of course, man’s technology cannot defeat Nature herself, and in virtual eros sex differences remain. For natural, biological reasons women are rather more sexually selective than men, and this sex difference is evident online. “Women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium,” says OKCupid founder Christian Rudder about a study he conducted of his popular dating website. “The average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her.”

    In stark contrast to men like Simon above, in big cities, the most attractive of men—roughly, the top 15 percent—using dating apps like Tinder, find that there are many beautiful young women who are not only willing to have sex on the first “date”; they will come to your home even without having met you first and get to doing the business within minutes. And not only are these women beautiful; they’ve been to college, have professional jobs, and have been on the pill regularly since they were 16 or younger. Many won’t expect you to use a condom.

    Well, those Tinder hookups are a lot of fun, you might say, but their immense societal cost is seen in the inverse relationship between the number of such women in a culture and the number of women who are worth marrying. Such cost is also apparent in the quality of male long-term partners. The rich irony, waiting patiently for many a haughty internet beauty who passes over all those oh-so-nice and oh-so-boring average Joes, is that many in the tiny minority of men who can dominate the sexual marketplace prefer having a variety of sexual partners to monogamous marriage. Monogamous marriage gets damn boring, lots of people feel, but in any case, there’s abundant data indicating that this institution is what is best for children and families.

    How do ordinary men, outmatched by “Alpha Chads,” but still pining for the fairest of the fair sex, endeavor to keep up in the sexual marketplace? Many employ what pickup artists call “game,” an instrumental and often quite cynical tactic. Paul Janka, one of the earliest and most well-known pickup artists, though not ordinary in his sexual market value, used to do what he called “number farming.” Approaching women on the streets of New York City, Janka would offer a compliment, make a little small talk, and having (in some cases) got the phone numbers he sought, later send out a “mass text”—like going fishing. As the responses trickled in, it was game on.

    In his pickup prime, Janka was a tall, handsome guy, whose results most men are very unlikely to equal. And yet, for all his success as a pickup artist, Janka said he’d sleep with just one woman for every ten phone numbers he got. That inefficient figure is comparable to those reported by other leading pickup artists such as Nick Krauser and Daryush Valizadeh (a.k.a. “Roosh V,” now a Christian who has nothing positive to say about his debauched past). So, “game” is a lot of work, a “hustle,” as Janka put it.

    The manipulative aspect of pickup artists is manifest in a certain type of “day game.” Men approach women during the day on the street and pretend to be looking for a bookstore, a gym, or whatever. The needed information is simply an excuse to talk to an attractive woman. The information once obtained, the pickup artist transitions to small talk—in a charming and funny way, if he’s skillful—in order to “build comfort,” that is, to “get past a woman’s defenses.” The goal is to get a phone number or—far better—an “instadate.” There are many books by pickup artists; the literature is large and, though much of it is crass, it’s rather more psychologically sophisticated than you might expect.

    While pickup artists differ about techniques, their common goal is sex with as many pretty women as possible, using all manner of manipulation to that end. An empty life, you may say, but for pickup artists monogamous relationships with high sexual market value women are either impossible, too difficult, or irrational, not being worth the risky investment.

    “[T]he internet,” writes the Z man,

    has turned into a big stage where anyone can try out their act on the public. In the old days, a carny bimbo would have been confined to a traveling carnival, Hollywood, New York or community theater. Maybe she would have ended up in pornography. It was not an easy way to make a living. Today, she can have a twitter account where she flashes photo-shopped pics of herself. Thirsty losers send her money through PayPal or super chats on her YouTube channel.

    To this observation let’s add the “carny bimbo” types on Instagram, on sugar-daddy dating websites, and the women on internet dating websites who tell men to send money to their Venmo accounts. How are these women, who are more or less for sale, so different from pickup artists? The main difference, I should say, is that pickup artists, having a lower sexual market value than the “carny bimbos,” choose to play a covert sort of game. Yes, it’s easy money for their female counterparts, but necessarily fleeting. For attractiveness is largely a function of youth. Age can and will eventually wither us all. And how many stunners there are whose sad fate was captured in the old Rolling Stones song:

    When you’re old, nobody will know
    That you was a beauty, a sweet sweet beauty
    A sweet sweet beauty, but stone stone cold…

    The sexual revolution was supposed to “liberate” the sexes from “oppressive” norms and roles. In retrospect, it now seems clearer than ever that it was those very norms and roles that kept the sexual marketplace (and families) stable. Last November, at the annual H.L. Mencken Club meeting in Baltimore, I was struck by a comment F. Roger Devlin made to me: “The final result of the sexual revolution,” he said, “is that nobody is having sex.” Although an overstatement, that’s still pretty insightful. Without certain transmitted customs to which they feel answerable, the sexes are left to their own autonomy. At the individual level, this is typically something less than wise, and as the strange state of the 21st-century sexual marketplace attests, collectively a disaster. As past courtship rituals are supplanted by the shallow and transient interactions and encounters afforded by technology, the result is a lot of very horny and very lonely people who don’t know how to improve their situation.



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    Do you have a solution to propose? Or should the market decide?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-11-2020 at 04:51 PM.
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    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Do you have a solution to propose? Or should the market decide?
    Religion and traditional gender roles.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Religion and traditional gender roles.
    What about them? Should they be required?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    What about them? Should they be required?
    Compulsion is what your mind always leaps to.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Compulsion is what your mind always leaps to.
    Elaborate on your proposed solution. How would you change people's behavior? If it is voluntary to seek religion and traditional gender roles, would anybody choose freely to change what they are doing now?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Do you have a solution to propose? Or should the market decide?
    Sure I do.

    From my OP:

    What a waste of time! More common, probably, than most people realize, Simon’s unhappy fate signifies just how much the sexual marketplace has changed since women entered the workforce en masse. It used to be that a man of average or below-average attractiveness could nevertheless be fairly attractive to women as a provider. Today, though, women are making their own money, and thanks to technology, are flooded by male attention. So their options, and expectations regarding men, have changed. A man who can pay the bills, or at least contribute to paying the bills, is one among a great many others who can do the same. And some of those others are high-status, handsome, charming, witty, and so forth. Dear God, dear beauties, some even have lots of followers on social media!
    Generally costing more to hire, more to maintain and unable to do many demanding physical jobs, women are only in the workforce in the numbers they are, due to mandatory diversity quotas.

    Repeal all of the federal and state fatwas regarding employment "diversity", let employers hire whomever they want, in whatever numbers or ratios they want.

    Women also make up the bulk of non essential government employees.

    Shrink government and it's work force.

    That will put women on a even footing with men in the competitive labor market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Sure I do.

    From my OP:

    Generally costing more to hire, more to maintain and unable to do many demanding physical jobs, women are only in the workforce in the numbers they are, due to mandatory diversity quotas.

    Repeal all of the federal and state fatwas regarding employment "diversity", let employers hire whomever they want, in whatever numbers or ratios they want.

    Women also make up the bulk of non essential government employees.

    Shrink government and it's work force.

    That will put women on a even footing with men in the competitive labor market.
    So women can't compete in the job market (which was disproven by women during WWII which was when they first entered the jobs market in large numbers since there were not enough men around) but your idea would give them "equal footing with men in the labor market". Basically you can only be attractive to a poor woman who has to rely on you for her income since she would be unable to make as much as you. Then sex and dating will return to "normal".
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So women can't compete in the job market (which was disproven by women during WWII which was when they first entered the jobs market in large numbers since there were not enough men around)
    How were they competing if there were no men around to compete against?


    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    but your idea would give them "equal footing with men in the labor market". Basically you can only be attractive to a poor woman who has to rely on you for her income since she would be unable to make as much as you. Then sex and dating will return to "normal".
    Get government out of the way and Nature will return the balance to where it should be.

    But there are also other reforms that are needed in divorce law etc.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    How were they competing if there were no men around to compete against?



    Get government out of the way and Nature will return the balance to where it should be.

    But there are also other reforms that are needed in divorce law etc.
    Would you make divorce harder or easier? Easier makes it "easier" to get out of a bad relationship. Harder encourages immorality like cheating since you can't get out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Would you make divorce harder or easier? Easier makes it "easier" to get out of a bad relationship. Harder encourages immorality like cheating since you can't get out.
    The reforms have more to do with asset division and alimony etc.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The reforms have more to do with asset division and alimony etc.
    How would you change them? (you never answered the question earlier in the thread about how you would use "Religion and traditional gender roles" to change sexual behavior in people without imposing those on them).

    If women are not attracted to you is it their fault- or yours? Should they be changed- or you?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-11-2020 at 08:52 PM.
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    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Elaborate on your proposed solution. How would you change people's behavior? If it is voluntary to seek religion and traditional gender roles, would anybody choose freely to change what they are doing now?
    I wouldn't change anyone's behavior and I doubt Swordsmyth would either.

    I think he would probably do what I would do: point out that

    1) every single church in America with a regular attendance over 40 has at least one absolutely smoking hot young thing, and at least one homely yet really interesting to talk to young thing, waiting for someone with a job and a commitment to keep going to church to get serious enough to raise a family and have tons of sex in the process

    2) this has been the case for literally thousands of years and isn't going to change for the next few thousand years

    3) young people who don't want to play by those rules deserve zero sympathy for their predicament.

    I mean on the off chance they haven't actually heard this, that's why I'd lead with the first two points, but seriously, they can cram it with that woe-is-me act.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    This conversation took an altogether different turn while I was typing.

    I think people who want to have sex but are interested in their divorce options should probably just stick with Tinder.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    I wouldn't change anyone's behavior and I doubt Swordsmyth would either.

    I think he would probably do what I would do: point out that

    1) every single church in America with a regular attendance over 40 has at least one absolutely smoking hot young thing, and at least one homely yet really interesting to talk to young thing, waiting for someone with a job and a commitment to keep going to church to get serious enough to raise a family and have tons of sex in the process

    2) this has been the case for literally thousands of years and isn't going to change for the next few thousand years

    3) young people who don't want to play by those rules deserve zero sympathy for their predicament.

    I mean on the off chance they haven't actually heard this, that's why I'd lead with the first two points, but seriously, they can cram it with that woe-is-me act.
    And we need a religious revival with real repentance preached to fill the hole in the hearts of the misguided.
    Our churches have lost their way and that has caused the flock to lose its way.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    How would you change them? (you never answered the question earlier in the thread about how you would use "Religion and traditional gender roles" to change sexual behavior in people without imposing those on them).
    Women need to not be allowed to use divorce to steal and get a free ride for life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If women are not attracted to you is it their fault- or yours? Should they be changed- or you?
    Perhaps it is the current crop of women which fail to be attractive?
    They demand everything and won't give anything.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So women can't compete in the job market (which was disproven by women during WWII which was when they first entered the jobs market in large numbers since there were not enough men around) but your idea would give them "equal footing with men in the labor market". Basically you can only be attractive to a poor woman who has to rely on you for her income since she would be unable to make as much as you. Then sex and dating will return to "normal".
    You're in favor of government mandates on employment as well?

    What in the world made you support Ron Paul?

    ETA - If a man can not become a provider for his family, then there really isn't much use for him. Which is why men are blowing their brains out and spiking themselves to death so often. I know that's my fate, once I no longer can produce fat paychecks.

    Government is now the "husband".

    Which is why women vote for more government in much larger numbers than men do.

    Eliminate handouts, welfare, child handouts and all the rest.

    But I suppose you're in favor of all that as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You're in favor of government mandates on employment as well?

    What in the world made you support Ron Paul?
    What makes you think he does or ever did?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You're in favor of government mandates on employment as well?

    What in the world made you support Ron Paul?
    I haven't suggested any mandates.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I haven't suggested any mandates.
    But what attracted you to Ron Paul?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    But what attracted you to Ron Paul?
    His rugged good looks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I haven't suggested any mandates.
    You asked for a solution.

    I gave you two, both of which required nothing more than eliminating government mandates, fatwas and largesse.

    You squawked about it...so I could only assume you were in favor of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    His rugged good looks.
    I am actually curious to the answer if you don't mind answering
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So women can't compete in the job market (which was disproven by women during WWII which was when they first entered the jobs market in large numbers since there were not enough men around) but your idea would give them "equal footing with men in the labor market". Basically you can only be attractive to a poor woman who has to rely on you for her income since she would be unable to make as much as you. Then sex and dating will return to "normal".
    Most women would rather spread their legs than do an actual hard day's work. Do that long enough, and they don't even know how to work.

    "Equal pay for equal work" first requires equal work. Of which most women are incapable.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    I am curious if Zippy is aware that Ron Paul is against the Fed, pro 2nd Amendment, against foreign intervention and a number of other pro-liberty issues that Zippy is normally against.

    Maybe it really is his looks.

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    The internet has dramatically changed all human interaction and action. That is a fact. Hard to say what the solution might be.

    The other factor brought up in the OP story is also real and relevant. As women’s jobs have become more lucrative, men’s value has gone down. Marriages that in the past would have stayed together are easily severed when the man is no longer the breadwinner. There is no use for them.
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The internet has dramatically changed all human interaction and action. That is a fact. Hard to say what the solution might be.

    The other factor brought up in the OP story is also real and relevant. As women’s jobs have become more lucrative, men’s value has gone down. Marriages that in the past would have stayed together are easily severed when the man is no longer the breadwinner. There is no use for them.
    And that is a direct result of government intervention in markets, employment and trade.

    Remove that intervention and the incentive/legal mandate to hire women dries up.

    There is no use for them
    And they know it, which is why they are killing themselves in stunning numbers.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    What in the world made you support Ron Paul?
    He doesn't.
    And everyone here knows it but the trolls are eliminating his red bars anyway.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    ETA - If a man can not become a provider for his family, then there really isn't much use for him. Which is why men are blowing their brains out and spiking themselves to death so often. I know that's my fate, once I no longer can produce fat paychecks.
    What's sad is the men that believe the above notion is their only purpose on this mortal coil. The other sad thing is when the 'group think' plays a part of their thinking, predicated on psychological warfare to divide and conquer, and they cannot see past that falsehood.
    My website: https://www.theherbsofthefield.com/

    "No one is useless in this world who lightens the burdens of another.” ~ Charles Dickens

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