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    The Donald's Assassination of General Soleimani – As Stupid as It Gets

    By David Stockman
    David Stockman's Contra Corner
    January 9, 2020


    During more than a half-century of Washington watching we have seen stupidity rise from one height to yet another. But nothing – just plain nothing – compares to the the blithering stupidity of the Donald’s Iran “policy”, culminating in the mindless assassination of its top military leader and hero of the so-called Islamic Revolution, Major General Qassem Soleimani.

    To be sure, we don’t give a flying f*ck about the dead man himself. Like most generals of whatever army (including the US army), he was a cold-blooded, professional killer.

    And in this day and age of urban and irregular warfare and drone-based annihilation delivered by remote joystick, generals tend to kill more civilians than combatants. The dead civilian victims in their millions of U.S. generals reaching back to the 1960s surely attest to that.

    Then again, even the outright belligerents Soleimani did battle with over the decades were not exactly alms-bearing devotees of Mother Theresa, either. In sequential order, they were the lethally armed combatants mustered by Saddam Hussein, George W. Bush, the Sunni jihadists of ISIS and the Israeli and Saudi air forces, which at this very moment are raining high tech bombs and missiles on Iranian allies and proxies in Syria, Lebanon and Yemen.

    The only reason these years of combat are described in the mainstream media as evidence of Iranian terrorism propagated by its Quds forces is that the neocons have declared it so. That is, by Washington’s lights Iran is not allowed to have a foreign policy and its alliances with mainly Shiite co-religionists in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen are alleged per se to be schemes of aggression and terror, warranting any and all retaliations including assassination of its highest officials.

    But that’s just colossal nonsense and imperialistic arrogance. The Assad government in Syria, the largest political party in Lebanon (Hezbollah), the dominant population of northern Yemen (Houthis) and a significant portion of the Iraqi armed forces represented by the Shiite militias (the PMF or Popular Mobilization Forces) are no less civilized and no more prone to sectarian violence than anybody else in this woebegone region. And the real head-choppers of ISIS and its imitators and rivals have all been Sunni jihadist insurrectionists, not Shiite-based governments and political parties.

    The truth is, America has no dog in the Shiite versus Sunni hunt, which has been going on for 1300 years in the region. And when it comes to spillover of those benighted forces into Europe or America, recent history is absolutely clear: 100% of all Islamic terrorist incidents in the US since they began in the 1990s were perpetrated or inspired by Sunni jihadists, not Iran or its Shiite allies and proxies in the region.

    So we needs be direct. The aggression in the Persian Gulf region during the last three decades has originated in the Washington DC nest of neocon vipers and among Bibi Netanyahu’s proxies, collaborators and assigns who rule the roost in the Imperial City and among both political parties. And the motivating force has all along been the malicious quest for regime change – first in Iraq and then in Syria and Iran.

    Needless to say, Washington instigated “regime change” tends to provoke a determined self-defense and a usually violent counter-reaction among the changees. So the truth is, the so-called Shiite crescent is not an alliance of terrorists inflicting wanton violence on the region; it’s a league of regime-change resisters and armed combatants who have elected to say “no” to Washington’s imperial schemes for remaking the middle eastern maps.

    So in taking out Soleimani, the usually befuddled and increasingly belligerent occupant of the Oval Office was not striking a blow against “terrorism”. He was just dramatically escalating Washington’s long-standing regime-change aggression in the region, thereby risking an outbreak of even greater violence and possibly a catastrophic conflagration in the Persian Gulf where one-fifth of the world’s oil traverses daily.

    And most certainly, the Donald has now crushed his own oft-repeated intent to withdraw American forces from the middle east and get out of the regime change business – the very platform upon which he campaigned in 2016. There are now upwards of 50,000 US military personnel in the immediate Persian Gulf region and tens of thousands of more contractors, proxies and mercenaries. After Friday’s reckless maneuver, that number can now only go up – and possibly dramatically.

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    In joy-sticking Soleimani while lounging in his plush digs at Mar-a-Lago, the Donald was also not avenging the innocent casualties of Iranian aggression – Americans or otherwise. He was just jamming another regime-change stick in the hornets nest of anti-Americanism in the region that Washington’s bloody interventions have spawned over the decades, and which will now intensify by orders of magnitude.

    Sometimes a picture does tell a thousand words, and this one from the funeral procession in Tehran yesterday surely makes a mockery of Secretary Pompeo’s idiotic claim that the middle east is now safer than before. If there was ever a case that this neocon knucklehead should be immediately dispatched to his hog and corn farm back in Kansas, this is surely it.

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    The larger point here is that Imperial Washington and its mainstream media megaphones have so egregiously and relentlessly vilified Iran and falsified the middle east narrative that the Iranian side of the story has been completely lost – literally airbrushed right off the pages of contemporary history in Stalineseque fashion.

    Not that the benighted, mullah-controlled Iranian regime is comprised of anything which resembles white hats. One of the great misfortunes of the last four decades is that the long-suffering people of Iran have not been able to throw-off the cultural and religious shackles imposed by this theocratic regime or escape the economic backwardness and incompetence of what is essentially rule by authoritarian clerics.

    But that’s exactly the crime of Washington’s neocon-inspired hostility and threats to the Iranian regime. It merely rekindles Iranian nationalism and causes the public to rally to the support of the regime, as is so evident at the current moment.

    Worse still, the underlying patriotic foundation of this pro-regime sentiment is completely lost on Imperial Washington owing to its false narrative about post-1979 history. Yet the fact is, in the eyes of the Iranian people the Quds forces and Soleimani have plausible claims to having been valiant defenders of the nation.

    In the original instance, of course, Soleimani earned his chops on the battlefield contending with the chemical weapons-dropping air force of Saddam Hussein during the 1980s. And Saddam was the invader whose chemical bombs achieved especially deadly accuracy against often barely armed teenage Iranian soldiers owing to spotting and targeting assistance rendered by the U.S. air force – a Washington assisted depredation that a whole generation of Iranians know all about, even if present day Washington feints ignorance.

    Then after Bush the Younger visited uninvited and unrequested Shock & Awe upon Baghdad and much of the Iraqi countryside, it transpired that the nation’s majority Shiite population didn’t cotton much to being “liberated” by Washington. Indeed, the more radical elements of the Iraqi Shiite community in Sadr City and other towns of central and south Iraq took up arms during 2003-2011 against what they perceived to be the American “occupiers” because, well, it was their country.

    Needless to say, their Shiite kinsman in Iran were more than ready to give aid and comfort to the Iraqi Shiite in their struggle against what by then was perceived as Iran’s own mortal enemy. After all, a full year before Bush the Younger launched the utterly folly of the second gulf war in March 2003, his demented neocon advisors and speechwriters, led by the insufferable David Frum, had concocted a bogeyman called the Axis of Evil, which included Iran and marked it as next in line for Shock & Awe.

    But the idea that the Iraqi people and especially its majority Shiite population would have been dancing in the streets to welcome the US military save for the insidious interference of Iran is just baseless War Party propaganda.

    Stated differently, Washington sent 158,000 lethally armed fighters into a country that had never threatened America’s homeland security or harbored its enemies, and had no capacity to do so in any event. But contrary to the glib assurances of Rumsfeld, Cheney and the rest of the neocon jackals around Bush, these US fighters soon came to be widely viewed as “invaders”, not liberators, and met resistance from a wide variety of Iraqi elements including remnants of Saddam’s government and military, radicalized Sunni jihadists and a motley array of Shiite politicians, clerics and militias.

    Foremost among these was the Sadr clan which emerged as the tribune of the the dispossessed Shiite communities in the south and Baghdad. They rose to prominence after Bush the Elder urged the Shiite to rise up against Saddam after the 1991 Gulf War, and then left them dangling in the wind.

    No US support materialized as the regime’s indiscriminate crackdown on the population systematically arrested and killed tens of thousands of Shiites and destroyed Shiite shrines, centers of learning, towns and villages. According to eyewitness accounts, Baathist tanks were painted with messages like “No Shiites after today,” people were hanged from electric poles, and tanks ran over women and children and towed bodies through the streets.

    From this horror and brutality emerged Mohammad Mohammad Sadeq al-Sadr, the founder of the Sadrist movement that today, under the leadership of his son Muqtada, constitutes Iraq’s most powerful political movement. After the collapse of the Baathist regime in 2003, the Sadrist movement formally established its own militia, known as the Jaysh al-Mahdi, or the Mahdi Army.

    The vast Shiite underclass needed protection, social services and leadership, and the Sadrist movement stepped into these gaps by reactivating Sadeq al-Sadr’s network. In the course of US occupation, the Mahdi Army’s ranks of supporters, members and fighters swelled, particularly as sectarian conflict intensified and discontent towards the occupation grew out of frustration with the lack of security and basis services. At one point the Mahdi Army numbered more than 60,000 fighters, and especially as Iraq degenerated into total sectarian chaos after 2005, it became a deadly thorn in the side of US forces occupying a country where they were distinctly unwelcome.


    But the Mahdi Army was homegrown; it was Arab, not Persian, and it was fighting for its own homes and communities, not the Iranians, the Quds or Soleimani. In fact, the Sadrists strongly opposed the Iranian influence among other Shiite dissident groups including the brutal Badr Brigade and the Iran-aligned Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution (SCIRI). As the above study further noted,

    Iraqis today refer to the Sadrist Movement’s Peace Brigades as the “rebellious” militias, because of their refusal to submit not only to Iran, but also to the federal government and religious establishment. Muqtada al-Sadr has oriented his organization around Iraqi nationalistic sentiments and derided the Iran-aligned militias. In line with the true political outlook of his father and his followers, Muqtada’s supporters chanted anti-Iranian slogans and stormed the offices of the Dawa Party, ISCI and the Badr Brigade when they protested against the government in May 2016.

    As it happened, the overwhelming share of the 603 US servicemen the Pentagon claims to have been killed by Iranian proxies were actually victims of the Mahdi Army uprisings during 2003-2007. These attacks were led by the above mentioned Iraqi nationalist firebrand and son of the movements founder, Muqtada al-Sadr.

    In fact, however, the surge in U.S. deaths at that time was the direct result of subsequently disgraced General David Petraeus’ infamous “surge” campaign. Among others, it targeted al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army in the hope of weakening it. Beginning in late April 2007, the US launched dozens of military operations aimed solely at capturing or killing Mahdi Army officers, causing the Mahdi Army to strongly resist those raids and impose mounting casualties on US troops.

    So amidst the fog of two decades of DOD and neocon propaganda, how did Iran and Soleimani get tagged over and over with the “killing Americans” charge, as if they were attacking innocent bystanders in lower Manhattan on 9/11?

    It’s just the hoary old canard that Iran was the source of the powerful roadside bombs called Explosively Formed Penetrators (EFPs) that were being used by many of the Shiite militias, as well as the Sunni jihadists in Anbar province and the west. Yet that claim was debunked more than a decade ago by evidence that the Mahdi Army and other Shiite militias were getting their weapons not just from the Iranians but from wherever they could, as well as manufacturing their own.

    As the estimable Iran expert, Gareth Porter, recently noted:

    The command’s effort to push its line about Iran and EFPs encountered one embarrassing revelation after another. In February 2007 a US command briefing asserted that the EFPs had “characteristics unique to being manufactured in Iran.” However, after NBC correspondent Jane Arraf confronted the deputy commander of coalition troops, Lt. Gen. Ray Odierno, with the fact that a senior military official had acknowledged to her that US troops had been discovering many sites manufacturing EFPs in Iraq, Odierno was forced to admit that it was true.

    Then in late February 2007, US troops found another cache of parts and explosives for EFPs near Baghdad, which included shipments of PVC tubes for the canisters that contradicted its claims. They had come not from factories in Iran, but from factories in the UAE and other Arab countries, including Iraq itself. That evidence clearly suggested that the Shiites were procuring EFP parts on the commercial market rather than getting them from Iran.

    Although the military briefing by the command in February 2007 pointed to cross-border weapons smuggling, it actually confirmed in one of its slides that it was being handled by “Iraqi extremist group members” rather than by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). And as Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, the US commander for southern Iraq, admitted in a July 6 press briefing, his troops had not “captured anybody that we can directly tie back to Iran.”


    On the other hand, what the Iranian Quds forces have actually accomplished in Iraq and Syria has been virtually expunged from the mainstream narrative. To wit, they have been the veritable tip of the spear in the eradication of the Islamic State.

    Indeed, in Iraq it was the wobbly Iraqi national army that Washington stood up at a cost of billions, which turned tail and ran when ISIS emerged in Anbar province in 2014. So doing, they left behind thousands of US armored vehicles, mobile artillery and even tanks, as well as massive troves of guns and ammo, which enabled the Islamic State to briefly thrive and subjugate several million people across the Euphrates Valley.

    It was also Washington that trained, equipped, armed and funded the so-called anti-Assad rebels in Syria, which so weakened and distracted Damascus that that the Islamic State was briefly able to fill the power vacuum and impose its barbaric rule on the citizens of Raqqa and its environs. And again, it did so in large part with weaponry captured from or sold to ISIS by the so-called moderate rebels.

    To the contrary, the panic and unraveling in Iraq during 2014-2015 was stopped and reversed when the Iranians at the invitation of Baghdad’s Shiite government helped organize and mobilize the Iraqi Shiite militias, which eventually chased ISIS out of Mosul and Anbar.

    Likewise, outside of the northern border areas liberated by the Syrian Kurds, it was the Shiite alliance of Assad, Hezbollah and the Iranian Quds forces that rid Syria of the ISIS plague.

    Yes, the US air force literally incinerated two great cities temporarily occupied by the Islamic State – Mosul and Raqqa. But it was the Shiite fighters who were literally fighting for their lives, homes and hearth who cleared that land of a barbaric infestation that had been spawned and enabled by the very Washington neocons who are now dripping red in tooth and claw.

    So we revert to the Donald’s act of utter stupidity. On the one hand, it is now evident that the reason Soleimani was in Baghdad was to deliver an official response from Tehran to a recent Saudi de-escalation offer. And that’s by the word of the very prime minister that Washington has stood up in the rump state of Iraq and who has now joined a majority of the Iraqi parliament in demanding that Iraq’s putative liberators – after expending trillions in treasure and blood – leave the country forthwith:

    Before the vote Prime Minister Adil Abdul-Mahdi told the parliament that he was scheduled to meet with Soleimani a day after his arrival to receive a letter from Iran to Iraq in response to a de-escalation offer Saudi Arabia had made. The US assassinated Soleimani before the letter could be delivered by him. Abdul-Mahdi also said that Trump had asked him to mediate between the US and Iran. Did he do that to trap Soleimani? It is no wonder then that Abdul-Mahdi is fuming.

    At the same time, the positive trends that were in motion in the region just days ago – ISIS gone, Syria closing in on the remaining jihadists, Saudi Arabia and Iran tentatively exploring a more peaceful modus vivendi, the Yemen genocide winding to a close – may now literally go up in smoke. As the always sagacious Pat Buchanan observed today,

    What a difference a presidential decision can make.

    Two months ago, crowds were in the streets of Iraq protesting Iran’s dominance of their politics. Crowds were in the streets of Iran cursing that regime for squandering the nation’s resources on imperial adventures in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen. Things were going America’s way.

    Now it is the Americans who are the targets of protests.

    Over three days, crowds numbering in the hundreds of thousands and even millions have packed Iraqi and Iranian streets and squares to pay tribute to Soleimani and to curse the Americans who killed him.


    We have long believed that there is nothing stupider in Washington than the neocon policy mafia that has wrecked such unspeakable havoc on the middle east as well as upon American servicemen and taxpayers who have been marched time and again into the jaws of their folly.

    But, now, the Donald has single-handedly given even neocon stupidity a run for the money.


    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/01/...id-as-it-gets/
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  3. #2
    WOW. A well researched and powerful article. Thanks for posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    During more than a half-century of Washington watching we have seen stupidity rise from one height to yet another. But nothing – just plain nothing – compares to the the blithering stupidity of the Donald’s Iran “policy”, culminating in the mindless assassination of its top military leader and hero of the so-called Islamic Revolution, Major General Qassem Soleimani.
    How can we know that this assassination is stoopid, if we don’t even known what is really about?
    Is it part of Trump’s campaign strategy to be re-elected in 2020?!?

    Is it to curb the massive Iraqi protests against the corrupt regime?

    The drone strike that assassinated General Soleimani on 3 January happened at the Baghdad International Airport (within 100 miles from Iran’s border).
    Why didn’t Iraq shoot down the drone?!?


    Qasem Soleimani was a supporter of the US-backed Arab Spring since it began in late 2010.
    In a May 2011 speech in Qom, Soleimani declared that the uprisings “provide our revolution with the greatest opportunities … we must witness victory in Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, and Syria. This is the fruit of the Islamic Revolution”.

    Soleimani has also supported Syria’s president Assad (with his British banker wife).

    In the summer of 2018, President Donald made another one of his famous BS tweets to Iranian President Hassan Rouhani:
    NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!
    In response, Soleimani tore into Trump with unusual bombast in a speech:
    The U.S. president … made some idiotic comments on Twitter. It is beneath the dignity of the president of the great Islamic country of Iran to respond, so I will respond, as a soldier of our great nation. You threaten us with a measure that the world has not seen before. First of all, it has been over a year since Trump became U.S. president, but that man’s rhetoric is still that of a casino, of a bar. He talks to the world in the style of a bartender or a casino manager.

    Mr. Trump, the gambler! […] You are well aware of our power and capabilities in the region. You know how powerful we are in asymmetrical warfare. Come, we are waiting for you. We are the real men on the scene, as far as you are concerned. You know that a war would mean the loss of all your capabilities. You may start the war, but we will be the ones to determine its end.
    It’s unfortunate that Soleimani forgot to mention that Donald Trump has in fact been a failed casino manager: https://ctc.usma.edu/qassem-soleiman...onal-strategy/
    (http://archive.is/Cx1Cy)


    Not only Qasem Soleimani was killed in the drone attack, but also the Iraqis Mohammed Reza Al-Jaberi (senior Iraqi commander and head of public affairs of the Hashd), and Abu Mahdi Al-Muhandis (deputy chairman of the Hashd): http://www.renegadetribune.com/solei...f-war-on-iran/
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  5. #4
    Think so?

    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  6. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Think so?

    [vidE[/video]
    What I think is that you've lost your damned mind and and are now resorting to posting self-serving content from the very same Evangelicals that wanted us to invade Iraq in the first place. I guess you didn't read anything but the headline, because this is third sentence.

    To be sure, we don’t give a flying f*ck about the dead man himself. Like most generals of whatever army (including the US army), he was a cold-blooded, professional killer.
    This is the fourth sentence.

    Like most generals of whatever army (including the US army), he was a cold-blooded, professional killer.
    What are you trying to tell us here? Because no matter how I look at it, Trump had no constitutional right to kill him. This is a war crime.
    Last edited by angelatc; 01-09-2020 at 10:12 AM.

  7. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    What I think is that you've lost your damned mind and and are now resorting to posting self-serving content from the very same Evangelicals that wanted us to invade Iraq in the first place. I guess you didn't read anything but the headline, because this is third sentence.



    This is the fourth sentence.



    What are you trying to tell us here? Because no matter how I look at it, Trump had no constitutional right to kill him. This is a war crime.
    You should probably watch the video, instead of turning it off after four sentences.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  8. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You should probably watch the video, instead of turning it off after four sentences.
    I watched it.

    Cliff notes: "I am an Iranian and I know things. This guy was a turrorist and he killed lots of people, so it's ok that he's dead. I've got alot of anecdotal twitter tweets that say so and in Iran we are so happy we are going to party like it's 1999 and call it "Thanks Donald Trump day".
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined

  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    I watched it.

    Cliff notes: "I am an Iranian and I know things. This guy was a turrorist and he killed lots of people, so it's ok that he's dead. I've got alot of anecdotal twitter tweets that say so and in Iran we are so happy we are going to party like it's 1999 and call it "Thanks Donald Trump day".
    Thank you. This is interesting study in cognitive dissonance to be sure. Dannno is telling us that Soleimani was an evil deep state operative that was openly assassinated by Donald Trump, and this anonymous woman is verifying that he was, in fact evil.

    As bizarre as that statement is, nobody is even disputing any of that because that's not the relevant point. The point is that no president has the right to order politically expedient assassinations.
    Last edited by angelatc; 01-09-2020 at 10:43 AM.



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  11. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    I watched it.

    Cliff notes: "I am an Iranian and I know things. This guy was a turrorist and he killed lots of people, so it's ok that he's dead. I've got alot of anecdotal twitter tweets that say so and in Iran we are so happy we are going to party like it's 1999 and call it "Thanks Donald Trump day".
    Why didn't your summary include the fact that he recently murdered and tortured 1,600 Iranians protesting in their country??

    Could that be why a lot of Iranians don't like him?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  12. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You should probably watch the video, instead of turning it off after four sentences.
    First, I do not do video. I didn't watch a single second of it.

    Second - Ron Paul. I do not care if she says she has video of her and her convent being gang-raped and beheaded by sex-trafficking CIA agents masked as Iranian intelligence officers in Israel under Soleimani's orders.

    Trump had no authority to order the hit. Seeing you defending this with such passion leads me to believe you've lost your mind.

  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    First, I do not do video. I didn't watch a single second of it.

    Second - Ron Paul. I do not care if she says she has video of her and her convent being gang-raped and beheaded by sex-trafficking CIA agents masked as Iranian intelligence officers in Israel under Soleimani's orders.

    Trump had no authority to order the hit. Seeing you defending this with such passion leads me to believe you've lost your mind.
    Here's a great article by Judge Nap, Angela. He points out that even terrorists - or whatever they call them- have rights to due process

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/01/...assassination/

  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    What I think is that you've lost your damned mind and and are now resorting to posting self-serving content from the very same Evangelicals that wanted us to invade Iraq in the first place. I guess you didn't read anything but the headline, because this is third sentence.



    This is the fourth sentence.



    What are you trying to tell us here? Because no matter how I look at it, Trump had no constitutional right to kill him. This is a war crime.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to angelatc again.

    We've gone from conspiracy theories that undercut the argument for war (9/11 inside job) to conspiracy theories that prop up arguments for war (even though on the surface killing a guest of our supposed allies in Iraq was a stupid and unconstitutional war provocation...it's okay because he supposedly worked for the CIA because some inbred on YouTube said so.)
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to angelatc again.

    We've gone from conspiracy theories that undercut the argument for war (9/11 inside job) to conspiracy theories that prop up arguments for war (even though on the surface killing a guest of our supposed allies in Iraq was a stupid and unconstitutional war provocation...it's okay because he supposedly worked for the CIA because some inbred on YouTube said so.)
    Covered.
    "The Patriarch"

  16. #14
    Who would have ever thunk that Danno would be among several newby members led by a Trump Shill that would create a narrative paradigm shift at Ron Paul Forums where "The means justify the Ends".
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined

  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Who would have ever thunk that Danno would be among several newby members led by a Trump Shill that would create a narrative paradigm shift at Ron Paul Forums where "The means justify the Ends".
    A lot of original people here believed that 9/11 was an inside job that was carried out by the elite who party at Bohemian Grove where they perform satanic sacrifices. They are a satanic cabal who control the banking and monetary system, and are pushing for one world government and world communism.

    They have been succeeding for a long time.

    Now they are not. Because Trump.

    Taking out this group of people is IMPERATIVE if we want freedom in the future. If you want to go back to being ruled by those people, then keep trying to play the rules of the game while your true enemy breaks them at every turn.

    I want a free society as much, maybe more than you do. We have to get there first. This is the journey. There are dragons to defeat.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Who would have ever thunk that Danno would be among several newby members led by a Trump Shill that would create a narrative paradigm shift at Ron Paul Forums where "The means justify the Ends".
    Perhaps the handle name has nothing in common with the creator of the handle name? Anybody could be posting now under old handle names. It's just a login name, after all.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book



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  20. #17
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Yeah. Because the same neocon Pentagon that can't be trusted to tell the Senate the real reason for the strike can at the same time be trusted to explain what really happened in Iran.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

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    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Yeah. Because the same neocon Pentagon that can't be trusted to tell the Senate the real reason for the strike can at the same time be trusted to explain what really happened in Iran.
    Even if we didn't do it, they undoubtedly shot it down while on a state of high alert. $#@! violence, and the people who advocate for it.

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Thanks, Trump. This blood is on his hands.

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Thanks, Trump. This blood is on his hands.
    LOL
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  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Was General Soleimani ever in the US? If he had ever crossed US state lines, the assassination could be constitutionally justified by the Commerce Clause.
    +1 for Commerce Clause. General welfare and security of the people too, brah.

  26. #23
    Col Wilkerson nails it.

    Neocons got a hold on Trump, hope he wrangles free.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GVWmmV...g1-tkPdZ-OaTqo

  27. #24
    Personally I find the war between the US and Iran less than convincing. The 3 January assassination of General Qasem Soleimani doesn’t really change this.

    In 1979, the ruthless Islamic extremist regime of Ayatollah Khomeini was installed by Anglo-American intelligence, and Iran has been very good to the big oil corporations ever since: https://www.lawfulpath.com/forum/vie...7&t=1583#p5956


    Current Iranian President Hassan Rouhani is another crooked lawyer.
    Not all of the information in the following article is confirmed by the “independent” Wikipedia (and I haven’t been able to confirm everything)….
    Rouhani changed his family name from Fereidun (or Fereydoun or Fereydun).

    In 1970s, Rouhani was educated in England, learning textile design and English.

    In the 1990s, Rouhani studied for 6 years at the privately owned Caledonian University in Glasgow, Scotland, which gave him a PhD in “Islamic law” (in 1999).
    This was arranged by none other by Jack Straw (Secretary of various offices in the British government for most of 1997 to 2010): https://www.orient-news.net/en/news_...sham-elections
    (http://archive.is/8LDwB)


    In 2014, Tehran’s only Jewish hospital, the Dr. Sapir Hospital and Charity Center, received $400,000 from the government of President Hassan Rouhani.
    The cash was delivered by Rouhani’s brother, Hossein Fereydoon: http://web.archive.org/save/https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/07/world/middleeast/iran-delivers-surprise-money-to-jewish-hospital.html?ref=world&_r=0


    During the Anglo-American orchestrated Islamic coup of 1979, the Dr. Sapir Hospital and Charity Center was one of the very few (the only) that helped the wounded “revolutionaries” without reporting them to the notorious SAVAK.
    Ayatollah Khomeini himself wrote a personal thank you note to the hospital after the coup succeeded: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Sa...Charity_Center


    Mohammad Zarif is another lawyer, who was the Foreign Affairs Minister in Iran from July 2013 to February 2019.
    In 1977, when he was a teenager, Zarif left Iran to study in the US. Zarif attended private college-preparatory high school Drew College Preparatory School in San Francisco, California. He later studied at San Francisco State University, from which he gained a Master degree in 1982.

    In San Francisco, Zarif joined the Islamic Student Association and made friends who later became political figures in Iran, including the brother of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, Iranian president from 1989 to 1997.

    Zarif continued his studies at the Josef Korbel School of International Studies, University of Denver, from which he obtained a Ph.D. in international law and policy in 1988: https://www.france24.com/en/20190226...d-nuclear-deal
    (http://archive.is/aUuub)


    After the seizure of the US embassy in Tehran by Islamist students in 1979, Zarif was sent to shut down Iran's consulate in San Francisco.
    Both of his children were born in the United States.

    Zarif later protested at the Iranian mission to the United Nations, where the Iranian ambassador to the United Nations offered him a job in May 1982.

    Zarif has spent more time with John Kerry than any other foreign minister in the world: https://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/03/m...now/index.html


    Zarif was Iran's representative at the UN from 2002 to 2007


    In 2016, Zarif with John Kerry shared the Chatham House Prize (awarded by the Royal Institute of International Affairs, a.k.a. Chatham House): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Javad_Zarif


    See Bonesmen George W. Bush and John Kerry outside the Skull & Bones crypt, circa 1966.



    Qasem Soleimani wasn’t the first high Iranian official that was silenced for knowing too much or being a threat to the Iranian regime.

    In 1977, Hassan Rouhani delivered the eulogy for Khomeini’s dead son, who supposedly committed “suicide”.

    In 1992, Rouhani’s son reportedly committed “suicide” by shooting himself with his father’s pistol.
    According to Seyed Hossein Mousavian, who was very familiar with Rouhani, Rouhani’s son was assassinated on a military base in southern Tehran “on political grounds”.

    In June 2001, Leila Pahlavi, daughter of the Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi who died in Egypt, also supposedly committed “suicide”.

    In 2011, Alireza Pahlavi, son of the former shah of Iran, also died of a reported “suicide”.
    Alireza Pahlavi was also educated in the US. He obtained a B.A. from Princeton University in 1984 and a masters degree from Columbia University in 1992 and later attended Harvard University: https://heavy.com/news/2018/07/rouha...ers-extremism/
    (http://archive.is/8OOUW)
    Last edited by Firestarter; 01-12-2020 at 08:29 AM. Reason: Deleted fake pic Soleimani - US army
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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Personally I find the war between the US and Iran less than convincing.
    In 1979, the ruthless Islamic extremist regime of Ayatollah Khomeini was installed by Anglo-American intelligence, and Iran has been very good to the big oil corporations ever since: https://www.lawfulpath.com/forum/vie...7&t=1583#p5956

    The 3 January assassination of General Qasem Soleimani doesn’t really change this.
    See Soleimani with the US army.



    Current Iranian President Hassan Rouhani is another crooked lawyer.
    Not all of the information in the following article is confirmed by the “independent” Wikipedia (and I haven’t been able to confirm everything)….
    Rouhani changed his family name from Fereidun (or Fereydoun or Fereydun).

    In 1970s, Rouhani was educated in England, learning textile design and English.

    In the 1990s, Rouhani studied for 6 years at the privately owned Caledonian University in Glasgow, Scotland, which gave him a PhD in “Islamic law” (in 1999).
    This was arranged by none other by Jack Straw (Secretary of various offices in the British government for most of 1997 to 2010): https://www.orient-news.net/en/news_...sham-elections
    (http://archive.is/8LDwB)


    In 2014, Tehran’s only Jewish hospital, the Dr. Sapir Hospital and Charity Center, received $400,000 from the government of President Hassan Rouhani.
    The cash was delivered by Rouhani’s brother, Hossein Fereydoon: http://web.archive.org/save/https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/07/world/middleeast/iran-delivers-surprise-money-to-jewish-hospital.html?ref=world&_r=0


    During the Anglo-American orchestrated Islamic coup of 1979, the Dr. Sapir Hospital and Charity Center was one of the very few (the only) that helped the wounded “revolutionaries” without reporting them to the notorious SAVAK.
    Ayatollah Khomeini himself wrote a personal thank you note to the hospital after the coup succeeded: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Sa...Charity_Center


    Mohammad Zarif is another lawyer, who was the Foreign Affairs Minister in Iran from July 2013 to February 2019.
    In 1977, when he was a teenager, Zarif left Iran to study in the US. Zarif attended private college-preparatory high school Drew College Preparatory School in San Francisco, California. He later studied at San Francisco State University, from which he gained a Master degree in 1982.

    In San Francisco, Zarif joined the Islamic Student Association and made friends who later became political figures in Iran, including the brother of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, Iranian president from 1989 to 1997.

    Zarif continued his studies at the Josef Korbel School of International Studies, University of Denver, from which he obtained a Ph.D. in international law and policy in 1988: https://www.france24.com/en/20190226...d-nuclear-deal
    (http://archive.is/aUuub)


    After the seizure of the US embassy in Tehran by Islamist students in 1979, Zarif was sent to shut down Iran's consulate in San Francisco.
    Both of his children were born in the United States.

    Zarif later protested at the Iranian mission to the United Nations, where the Iranian ambassador to the United Nations offered him a job in May 1982.

    Zarif has spent more time with John Kerry than any other foreign minister in the world: https://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/03/m...now/index.html


    Zarif was Iran's representative at the UN from 2002 to 2007


    In 2016, Zarif with John Kerry shared the Chatham House Prize (awarded by the Royal Institute of International Affairs, a.k.a. Chatham House): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Javad_Zarif


    See Bonesmen George W. Bush and John Kerry outside the Skull & Bones crypt, circa 1966.



    Qasem Soleimani wasn’t the first high Iranian official that was silenced for knowing too much or being a threat to the Iranian regime.

    In 1977, Hassan Rouhani delivered the eulogy for Khomeini’s dead son, who supposedly committed “suicide”.

    In 1992, Rouhani’s son reportedly committed “suicide” by shooting himself with his father’s pistol.
    According to Seyed Hossein Mousavian, who was very familiar with Rouhani, Rouhani’s son was assassinated on a military base in southern Tehran “on political grounds”.

    In June 2001, Leila Pahlavi, daughter of the Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi who died in Egypt, also supposedly committed “suicide”.

    In 2011, Alireza Pahlavi, son of the former shah of Iran, also died of a reported “suicide”.
    Alireza Pahlavi was also educated in the US. He obtained a B.A. from Princeton University in 1984 and a masters degree from Columbia University in 1992 and later attended Harvard University: https://heavy.com/news/2018/07/rouha...ers-extremism/
    (http://archive.is/8OOUW)

    At least get some pics that were professionally photoshopped.


    ------------------------



    And where were all of you when Obama was Droning?

    https://news.yahoo.com/trump-iran-de...180817867.html

    I have spent the past 20 or so New Years’ Eves glued to the SyFy channel’s “Twilight Zone” marathon. My wife and I love the writing, the plots and picking out famous actors in their one-off roles for the classic television series.

    Maybe I’ll write an episode of my own, complete with a Rod Serling-worthy opening monologue: “The year is 2017. Donald Trump is inaugurated as president of the United States, and mass amnesia has washed over America. Half the country can no longer remember anything that happened before Jan. 20. The former president, Barack Obama, is literally sitting right there. Yet, his own party cannot remember one thing about his eight years …”
    Obama memory hole

    It is one of the strangest phenomena of the Trump era — the memory-holing of Obama’s executive powers. Democrats continuously act as though they’ve just fallen off the Washington turnip wagon when Trump does anything.

    Trump’s illegal immigration policies are draconian! He’s deporting too many, they screamed, forgetting that … Obama deported more. A lot more. And, you know those cages on the southern border? Obama built them, not Trump.

    Trump’s defying congressional subpoenas! No president has ever stonewalled Congress, they screamed, forgetting that Obama’s attorney general, Eric Holder, was held in contempt of Congress for … defying subpoenas related to the "Fast and Furious" gun operation scandal. There were at least eight other times when Obama’s administration defied congressional oversight, even preventing people from testifying (sound familiar?).

    More from Scott Jennings: Which 2020 Democrat can beat Donald Trump? Don't bet on Biden, Warren or Sanders.

    When Trump announced his “America First” policy during his inaugural, Democrats apparently took it as literally as one can.

    Now, they howl over Trump’s latest outrage: The airstrike that killed Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani, the general who was in Iraq fomenting attacks against the U.S. Embassy and, evidently, plotting future hits on American targets.

    Washington Democrats whined about Trump authorizing a drone strike without their notification or consent. This, after Obama authorized at least 2,800 drone strikes in Iraq and Syria without congressional approval.
    Obama's drone strikes

    “When Obama accepted the Nobel Peace Prize in December 2009, he had authorized more drone strikes than George W. Bush had approved during his entire presidency. By his third year in office, Obama had approved the killings of twice as many suspected terrorists as had ever been imprisoned (at) Guantanamo Bay,” Newsweek reported.

    Obama practically invented modern push-button warfare, for goodness’ sake! Eventually, the American people will have to choose between partisan disingenuousness or rank stupidity to explain Democratic reaction to Trump’s perfectly precedented decisions.

    On Iran, Trump made a bold choice and sent a strong message that we aren’t going to take the regime’s provocations and hostility anymore. Obama sent them pallets of cash. Trump sent an MQ-9 Reaper.

    Anyone who knows how this will all shake out is lying. They don’t. But the commander in chief took out the world’s most notorious terrorist, one with plenty of American blood on his hands. Trump is the good guy here, not the terrorist.

    Yet, Democrats couldn’t wait to pounce. How many statements included perfunctory “yeah, Soleimani was a bad guy, but … ” construction before hammering Trump?

    Here’s a pro tip: If your statement has a “but” in the middle (I’m looking at you, Elizabeth Warren), just eliminate the throat-clearing, political pablum that came before it and say what you really mean. We get it: Iranian Guy Bad, Orange Man Worse.

    This attitude will cost Democrats in the upcoming election. Not just on foreign policy, but across the board (they speak of the economy as though we are in another Great Depression). They just can’t give Trump an inch no matter how safe or prosperous the world is, thanks at least in part to the president’s decisions.

    It hasn’t always been this way. After the death of Osama bin Laden, Republicans praised Obama’s decision to get him.

    “Former Vice President Dick Cheney declared, ‘The administration clearly deserves credit for the success of the operation.’ New York’s former mayor, Rudolph W. Giuliani, said, ‘I admire the courage of the president.’ And Donald J. Trump declared, ‘I want to personally congratulate President Obama,’ ” according to The New York Times.

    But no such allowance is given to President Trump when he kills a terrorist. As commentator Guy Benson tweeted, “The U.S. auto industry is alive, and (Abu Bakr) Baghdadi/Soleimani are dead,” referencing the Islamic State leader Trump had killed a few months ago and recalling Obama’s reelection slogan.

    Or, as Rod Serling might say, “Democrats will soon wake up from their amnesia to an old lesson: Past is prologue. And it’s a Shakespearean seminar most acutely taken … in The Twilight Zone.”
    FJB

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    At least get some pics that were professionally photoshopped.
    I hate to admit that I had to remove one of the pictures (as it wasn't Soleimani with US forces)...


    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    And where were all of you when Obama was Droning?
    Are you insinuating that BECAUSE Obama is evil, Trump isn't? Because Trump has been the long-time friend of the Clintons we know that the 2016 presidential election was a charade...

    This is what Donald wrote in 2009.
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You should probably watch the video, instead of turning it off after four sentences.
    You source mike cernovich who is also associations with Mossad and jewish mob.

    You and SS are either being paid or following people who have been paid to twist the truth.

    Greg mannarino exposed dave and x22 report

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    You source mike cernovich who is also associations with Mossad and jewish mob.

    You and SS are either being paid or following people who have been paid to twist the truth.

    Greg mannarino exposed dave and x22 report
    Link please
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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    You source mike cernovich who is also associations with Mossad and jewish mob.

    You and SS are either being paid or following people who have been paid to twist the truth.

    Greg mannarino exposed dave and x22 report
    mike cernovich is someone who i dont trust and honestly i am not surprised his jumping in to defend Trump on his decision to kill the Iranian general. Before the Trump decision he always seemed anti war and anti regime change hmm it seems he changed alot though. Although not sure siding with Trump on Iranian general issue was a

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