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    Did Iran Kill 600 Americans in Iraq War II? No.

    Did Iran Kill 600 Americans in Iraq War II? No.
    By Scott Horton - January 5, 2020

    Due to the current ubiquity of claims that Iran killed 600 Americans in Iraq War II, I figured it might be worth bringing up the fact that that is a complete and damnable lie.

    In the case of Petraeus’s surge against Sadrist forces in Sadr City and Najaf in 2007 and 2008, Sadr was the least Iranian-loyal of all the major Shi’ite factions. The U.S.’s favorites from Dawa and SCIRI were also Iran’s favorites. Sadr wanted the U.S. and Iran both out.
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    When Petraeus attacked them they responded, not the other way around. (Danny Sjursen was in East Baghdad at that time and confirmed this to me in an interview just a few weeks ago.)

    And when they did respond with copper-core EFP bombs, they were made in Iraq by Iraqis. Despite all of Michael Gordon’s claims in the New York Times back then, and all the claims since, no one has ever demonstrated that these bombs came from Iran at all, much less directly from the Qods force.
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    Former Marine Corps Captain Matthew Hoh writes: “Yes the EFPs were all made in Iraq, in workshops by Iraqis. I was at JIEDDO (joint IED defeat organization) in 2008. … I can confirm the intelligence on all that.”
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    More: https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2020/01...raq-war-ii-no/
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    Pompeo is a known liar. They have just repeated this one over and over and so it becomes the truth. Along with screams of 'TERRORIST'.

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    n November, U.S. troops raiding a Baghdad machine shop came across a pile of copper disks, 5 inches in diameter, stamped out as part of what was clearly an ongoing order. This ominous discovery, unreported until now, makes it clear that Iraqi insurgents have no need to rely on Iran as the source of EFPs.
    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...n16-story.html
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    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.





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    Of course they taught their pets how to make the bombs for themselves.
    That doesn't mean they didn't provide many themselves or change the fact that they organized, funded and coordinated the Shia militias.

    They openly brag about killing Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Of course they taught their pets how to make the bombs for themselves.
    That doesn't mean they didn't provide many themselves or change the fact that they organized, funded and coordinated the Shia militias.

    They openly brag about killing Americans.
    They openly brag about killing Americans.
    Because you Americans are killing the people in the middle east why else are you refereed as Satan or the devils? you think actions in the middle east for past 30 years have being justified?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Of course they taught their pets how to make the bombs for themselves.
    That doesn't mean they didn't provide many themselves or change the fact that they organized, funded and coordinated the Shia militias.

    They openly brag about killing Americans.
    Because the Iraqis, who fought Iran to a stalemate even though Iran had vastly superior numbers, didn't know how to use 1930s explosive techniques.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explos...med_penetrator

    An explosively formed penetrator (EFP), also known as an explosively formed projectile, a self-forging warhead, or a self-forging fragment, is a special type of shaped charge designed to penetrate armor effectively. As the name suggests, the effect of the explosive charge is to deform a metal plate into a slug or rod shape and accelerate it toward a target. They were first developed as oil well perforators by American oil companies in the 1930s, and were deployed as weapons in World War II.

    Let's see. An oil rich country with a long history of warfare can't figure out how to use oil perforators that were also used in World War II. What's wrong with this theory? Hmmm....
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Accusations Pave Way for Assault on Iran

    Several candidates referred to the Iranians killing American soldiers, an allegation that has been around for some months and is clearly becoming the focal point for efforts to create a consensus that Iran must be stopped, no matter the costs or consequences.
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    One thing that all the stories about Iranian involvement have in common is their lack of substantiating detail. There are no names, dates, places, or corroborating information, and most rely on anonymous government sources or bald assertions that are presented as fact. Photos of alleged captured ordnance have been unconvincing. Further, the presence of the weapons, even if true, cannot be traced back to any official Iranian government body or policy through documentary or other evidence. In March 2006, Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, conceded that there was no evidence to back up the claims of direct Iranian involvement in the development of the more effective IEDs, referred to as explosively formed projectiles (EFPs). The United Kingdom media has reported that the EFP is, in fact, a British design that was inadvertently given to the IRA in a sting operation that went horribly wrong in Northern Ireland in the early 1990s. It is not an Iranian innovation or something that is unique to Tehran’s arsenal.

    A widely advertised Pentagon briefing in Baghdad in February 2007 was supposed to provide stacks of documents and examples of hardware that would make the case for Iranian involvement. The press conference turned out to be a bust, with little more than fragments of ordnance actually on display. When questioned, a senior Defense Department analyst admitted that there was no “smoking gun.” Other sources familiar with the weapons themselves and with Asian weapons markets in general have noted that Iraqis hardly need instruction or assistance in constructing the IEDs and EFPs, as they have become the real experts in their design and deployment. The Iraqi army of Saddam Hussein had many specialists in ordnance design working in its armories, most of whom have been unemployed since 2003. The sources also note that Iraq is well supplied with all the artillery shells and bombs it could possibly need to construct huge and highly sophisticated roadside weapons, all accomplished without any need for Iranian assistance. One British Defense Ministry source estimates that the Iraqis have enough high explosives on hand to continue IED attacks at the current level for the next 274 years. When Iranian-origin weapons do show up, many can be traced to illegal and quasi-legal arms markets that exist throughout central Asia.
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    More: https://original.antiwar.com/giraldi...sault-on-iran/
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    The US military also issued a statement on Sunday calling the operation in Diwaniyah, dubbed Black Eagle, a "great success" so far. It said it detained 39 militiamen and killed an unspecified number. It also has uncovered "many large caches of weapons," including factories that make explosively formed penetrators (EFPs), devices that Washington accuses Tehran of supplying to Sadr's militia.
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    More: https://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0410/p01s02-woiq.html
    “That paragraph is now missing from that WaPo version of the story....”

    http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/04/...-liars-caught/
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    Has the USA EVER provided a just and honest rational for starting war in the modern era?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Accusations Pave Way for Assault on Iran
    Good stuff Brian. Antiwar.com has had excellent coverage from a variety of sources this past week. I'm going to send in a contribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Did Iran Kill 600 Americans in Iraq War II? No.
    By Scott Horton - January 5, 2020
    Wish I could +rep you again!
    There is no spoon.

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    Most Americans were killed by Saudis in Iraq.
    But our Government shill for them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    “That paragraph is now missing from that WaPo version of the story....”

    http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/04/...-liars-caught/
    SMH
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Trump is doubling down. Last night he said the general was 'the number 1 terrorist in the world' (nobody had heard of him before his death) and responsible for ''hundreds and thousands of American lives'. Unbelievable lying. If he keeps this up then he's going to lose in November.



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