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Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Again, it is totally irrelevant unless you are trying to make the case that Iraq should be returned to pre-Iraq war under Saddam dictator equivalent and the Baath Party which would be an insane solution.
That's history and not is where we are at now. You are too caught up in past history to think rationally about the current power structure and our investment to them for services rendered.
It was NEVER our right to decide,,Despite ALL manner of LIES to explain it.
It was unjustifiable.
Service was not rendered.. Rape murder and Pillage happened.
A Violent and unprovoked invasion and destruction of the country..
They owe nothing for that except for us to leave.. Get the Phuck out..
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Dude, the White House has already backed off that talking point. There was no imminent threat.
But hey, there are still people who insist that Iraq had WMDs even after the CIA, the Pentagon, the UN and GWB all admitted that was wrong. So I suppose this lie might never go away entirely, either.
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Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Hiding behind Rand is no argument. They briefly got angry that Rand had gone along with a neoconservative sanction vote on Iran. They supported Rand.
There are many people involved in the liberty, constitutional and anti-war movements. If you hate everyone involved but Rand Paul, that raises questions about who you do align with. Other than Rand, who is it that you don’t disagree with?
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Last edited by AngryCanadian; 01-08-2020 at 10:26 PM.
Oh, but there was an “imminent” threat, it just depends upon your definition of “imminent”. To the government neoconservatives, the word has a much different meaning than you think.
It’s probably easier to say what it does not mean. It does not mean or equate to any of the following words:
- Immediate
- Inevitable
- Conclusively
Basically, the word now means that they believe the other party is probably up to no good, and they can think of no other option except for violence.
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 01-08-2020 at 10:56 PM.
"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
Proponent of real science.
The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.
Donald Trump: Qasem Soleimani Was ‘Looking to Blow Up Our Embassy’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ow-up-embassy/
Mike Pence insists Trump had 'compelling evidence' of imminent threat but that he can't make it public.“Mike and Rand Paul disagreed because they want information that, honestly, I think is very hard to get,” …
But the president downplayed the importance of the briefing, pointing to the results of the mission.
“Forget about presentation — the result,” he said. “We killed a man who killed many, many Americans, that killed many, many people.”
Trump noted that the United States did not start the conflict with Iran, noting that Iran first attacked the American military base, which resulted in several troops wounded and the death of an American contractor.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9276881.html
I am trying to keep up here. But I've spent the better part of the past 20 years watching the U.S. intelligence agencies lie about everything I can think of, but now I am supposed to trust them, because Mike Pence ( a neocon who just this very week tweeted that Iran was tied to 9/11) says so.
Meanwhile, Paul and Lee are saying they were provided no evidence of the sort.
You understand why I am struggling with this, right?
Last edited by angelatc; 01-09-2020 at 12:46 PM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
I thought Sean Hannity came clean about Iraqi war and was wrong about supporting it? it seems his NeoCon and war mongering side never left him. Or his war criminal buddy Oliver North of coruse fox news was the only news network willing to give him a voice. After his ordeal and involvement with the Iranian armed affairs scandal.
He says that war is bad when the topic of conversation is a Democrat war.
He might even hint that long past GOP wars were bad.
But everything the current GOP POTUS does is obviously great.
LOL, this is a business, you know; he doesn't get paid for being either smart or honest.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
On Trump:
How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin
Trump tells Fox News' Laura Ingraham 'four embassies' were targeted in imminent threat from Iran
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/trump-te...reat-from-iran
Asked specifically what was targeted, Trump revealed: “We will tell you that probably it was going to be the embassy in Baghdad.”
Pressed on whether large-scale attacks were planned for other embassies, the president said: “I can reveal that I believe it probably would’ve been four embassies.”
...
Earlier Friday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was grilled on the specifics of that threat Friday as reporters quizzed him on what he meant by “imminent.”
“We had specific information on an imminent threat and that threat stream included attacks on U.S. embassies. Period. Full stop,” he said. When later asked what he meant by imminent, he responded: “It was going to happen.”
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