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    Why I Donít Trust Trump on Iran: Ron Paul

    Why I Donít Trust Trump on Iran
    written by Ron Paul
    Monday January 6, 2020

    President Trump and his Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told us the US had to assassinate Maj. Gen. Qassim Soleimani last week because he was planning ďImminent attacksĒ on US citizens. I donít believe them.

    Why not? Because Trump and the neocons Ė like Pompeo Ė have been lying about Iran for the past three years in an effort to whip up enough support for a US attack. From the phony justification to get out of the Iran nuclear deal, to blaming Yemen on Iran, to blaming Iran for an attack on Saudi oil facilities, the US Administration has fed us a steady stream of lies for three years because they are obsessed with Iran.

    And before Trumpís obsession with attacking Iran, the past four US Administrations lied ceaselessly to bring about wars on Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Serbia, Somalia, and the list goes on.

    At some point, when weíve been lied to constantly and consistently for decades about a ďthreatĒ that we must ďtake outĒ with a military attack, there comes a time where we must assume they are lying until they provide rock solid, irrefutable proof. Thus far they have provided nothing. So I donít believe them.

    President Trump has warned that his administration has already targeted 52 sites important to Iran and Iranian culture and the US will attack them if Iran retaliates for the assassination of Gen. Soleimani. Because Iran has no capacity to attack the United States, Iranís retaliation if it comes will likely come against US troops or US government officials stationed or visiting the Middle East. I have a very easy solution for President Trump that will save the lives of American servicemembers and other US officials: just come home. There is absolutely no reason for US troops to be stationed throughout the Middle East to face increased risk of death for nothing.

    In our Ron Paul Liberty Report program last week we observed that the US attack on a senior Iranian military officer on Iraqi soil Ė over the objection of the Iraq government Ė would serve to finally unite the Iraqi factions against the United States. And so it has: on Sunday the Iraqi parliament voted to expel US troops from Iraqi soil. It may have been a non-binding resolution, but there is no mistaking the sentiment. US troops are not wanted and they are increasingly in danger. So why not listen to the Iraqi parliament?

    Bring our troops home, close the US Embassy in Baghdad Ė a symbol of our aggression - and let the people of the Middle East solve their own problems. Maintain a strong defense to protect the United States, but end this neocon pipe-dream of ruling the world from the barrel of a gun. It does not work. It makes us poorer and more vulnerable to attack. It makes the elites of Washington rich while leaving working and middle class America with the bill. It engenders hatred and a desire for revenge among those who have fallen victim to US interventionist foreign policy. And it results in millions of innocents being killed overseas.

    There is no benefit to the United States to trying to run the world. Such a foreign policy brings only bankruptcy Ė moral and financial. Tell Congress and the Administration that for Americaís sake we demand the return of US troops from the Middle East!
    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives...trump-on-iran/
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    Bring our troops home, close the US Embassy in Baghdad – a symbol of our aggression - and let the people of the Middle East solve their own problems. Maintain a strong defense to protect the United States, but end this neocon pipe-dream of ruling the world from the barrel of a gun. It does not work. It makes us poorer and more vulnerable to attack. It makes the elites of Washington rich while leaving working and middle class America with the bill. It engenders hatred and a desire for revenge among those who have fallen victim to US interventionist foreign policy. And it results in millions of innocents being killed overseas.

    There is no benefit to the United States to trying to run the world. Such a foreign policy brings only bankruptcy – moral and financial. Tell Congress and the Administration that for America’s sake we demand the return of US troops from the Middle East!
    Yup, this.

    Bring the troops home, protect the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yup, this.

    Bring the troops home, protect the United States.
    Even as a kid I knew, when this did not happen after 911, that we were not being told the truth.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Ron Paul
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Why I Don’t Trust Trump on Iran
    written by Ron Paul
    Monday January 6, 2020

    President Trump and his Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told us the US had to assassinate Maj. Gen. Qassim Soleimani last week because he was planning “Imminent attacks” on US citizens. I don’t believe them.

    Why not? Because Trump and the neocons – like Pompeo – have been lying about Iran for the past three years in an effort to whip up enough support for a US attack. From the phony justification to get out of the Iran nuclear deal, to blaming Yemen on Iran, to blaming Iran for an attack on Saudi oil facilities, the US Administration has fed us a steady stream of lies for three years because they are obsessed with Iran.

    And before Trump’s obsession with attacking Iran, the past four US Administrations lied ceaselessly to bring about wars on Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Serbia, Somalia, and the list goes on.

    At some point, when we’ve been lied to constantly and consistently for decades about a “threat” that we must “take out” with a military attack, there comes a time where we must assume they are lying until they provide rock solid, irrefutable proof. Thus far they have provided nothing. So I don’t believe them.

    President Trump has warned that his administration has already targeted 52 sites important to Iran and Iranian culture and the US will attack them if Iran retaliates for the assassination of Gen. Soleimani. Because Iran has no capacity to attack the United States, Iran’s retaliation if it comes will likely come against US troops or US government officials stationed or visiting the Middle East. I have a very easy solution for President Trump that will save the lives of American servicemembers and other US officials: just come home. There is absolutely no reason for US troops to be stationed throughout the Middle East to face increased risk of death for nothing.

    In our Ron Paul Liberty Report program last week we observed that the US attack on a senior Iranian military officer on Iraqi soil – over the objection of the Iraq government – would serve to finally unite the Iraqi factions against the United States. And so it has: on Sunday the Iraqi parliament voted to expel US troops from Iraqi soil. It may have been a non-binding resolution, but there is no mistaking the sentiment. US troops are not wanted and they are increasingly in danger. So why not listen to the Iraqi parliament?

    Bring our troops home, close the US Embassy in Baghdad – a symbol of our aggression - and let the people of the Middle East solve their own problems. Maintain a strong defense to protect the United States, but end this neocon pipe-dream of ruling the world from the barrel of a gun. It does not work. It makes us poorer and more vulnerable to attack. It makes the elites of Washington rich while leaving working and middle class America with the bill. It engenders hatred and a desire for revenge among those who have fallen victim to US interventionist foreign policy. And it results in millions of innocents being killed overseas.

    There is no benefit to the United States to trying to run the world. Such a foreign policy brings only bankruptcy – moral and financial. Tell Congress and the Administration that for America’s sake we demand the return of US troops from the Middle East!
    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives...trump-on-iran/
    Ahh, a breath of common sense. Something that this forum has been digressing away from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    +1
    +2
    I do not consent.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Even as a kid I knew, when this did not happen after 911, that we were not being told the truth.
    Uh, ya, but you should then be smart enough to know we aren't being told the truth now.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yup, this.

    Bring the troops home, protect the United States.
    Ya, but I also don't mind if somebody assassinates CIA assets who are secretly working in foreign governments and working with the neocons to start a war with Iran.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    At some point, when we’ve been lied to constantly and consistently for decades about a “threat” that we must “take out” with a military attack, there comes a time where we must assume they are lying until they provide rock solid, irrefutable proof. Thus far they have provided nothing. So I don’t believe them.
    I won’t believe it until Adam Schiff and John Brennan agree (and when monkeys fly out of Nancy Pelosi’s butt).
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Uh, ya, but you should then be smart enough to know we aren't being told the truth now.
    I am- and so should you.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    I won’t believe it until Adam Schiff and John Brennan agree (and when monkeys fly out of Nancy Pelosi’s butt).
    It's already known, Ron Paul actually mentioned on his show today that Suleimani has already murdered a lot of people.

    The question was whether he was about to do it again. Does that matter?

    I believe that he was a CIA stooge who infiltrated the Iranian regime and was trying to foment war between the US and Iran.

    My sources tell me he had a bioweapon that he was bringing to Iraq to use against innocent people and US military.

    Ron Paul is working off of information from the mainstream media. He has done it before, and had to correct himself, before.

    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I am- and so should you.
    Nope, you are buying it hook, line and stinker.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Nope, you are buying it hook, line and stinker.
    I'll take Ron's word for it before anyone here or on the MSM- which I never read, BTW
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I'll take Ron's word for it before anyone here or on the MSM- which I never read, BTW
    Ron sometimes speculates on information from the MSM, which is often false. He later will backtrack it. This will be one of those cases.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's already known, Ron Paul actually mentioned on his show today that Suleimani has already murdered a lot of people.

    The question was whether he was about to do it again. Does that matter?
    ...
    If it’s called “pre-emptive” for an “imminent threat” then it matters.

    As to what he has done in the past, who knows? I doubt he was out shooting people himself, or personally planting IEDs. He was most likely supplying many different militias and groups. If supplying weapons is equal to personally murdering people, the list of guilty people on this planet is extremely long. Every weapon manufacturer would be considered guilty.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    ďThey are what they hate.Ē - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    If it’s called “pre-emptive” for an “imminent threat” then it matters.

    As to what he has done in the past, who knows? I doubt he was out shooting people himself, or personally planting IEDs. He was most likely supplying many different militias and groups. If supplying weapons is equal to personally murdering people, the list of guilty people on this planet is extremely long. Every weapon manufacturer would be considered guilty.
    Wish I could +rep you again!
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    If it’s called “pre-emptive” for an “imminent threat” then it matters.

    As to what he has done in the past, who knows? I doubt he was out shooting people himself, or personally planting IEDs. He was most likely supplying many different militias and groups. If supplying weapons is equal to personally murdering people, the list of guilty people on this planet is extremely long. Every weapon manufacturer would be considered guilty.
    No, he did more than that and Ron Paul said on his show that he was responsible. He is a terrorist, and a CIA stooge trying to foment war, playing into the neocons hands. I would recommend watching the PJW video. He is personally responsible for hundreds of murders - if you take your logic about supplying and coordinating, it would be much higher than that, probably tens of thousands or more.

    The point is if you have somebody who has already murdered hundreds of people, and you take them out pre-emptively based on intelligence of another attack that is yet to come, that is ENTIRELY different than taking out an innocent person who has never committed such an act for a pre-crime.

    Also, I don't cry when CIA stooges are killed.
    Last edited by dannno; 01-06-2020 at 03:17 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    ...
    The point is if you have somebody who has already murdered hundreds of people, and you take them out pre-emptively based on intelligence of another attack that is yet to come, that is ENTIRELY different than taking out an innocent person who has never committed such an act for a pre-crime.
    ...
    Yes, there is difference between pre-emptive action against someone who hasn’t done anything (pre-crime), and prosecuting, convicting and punishing someone who has already committed a crime.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    ďThey are what they hate.Ē - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post

    I believe that he was a CIA stooge who infiltrated the Iranian regime and was trying to foment war between the US and Iran.

    If he was so close to enemies of Israel as an asset, won't that be bad news for our closest ally Israel? Would top GOPA donors have approved romoval of an asset that was so close to top leaders in Iran and Lebanon?

    Two and two don't add up about this theory.


    Soleimani Reveals Details of Role He Played in the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah War

    Thursday, 3 October, 2019
    Commander of the Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Commander, Major General Qasem Soleimani(L) stands at the frontline in the town of Tal Ksaiba in Salahuddin province March 8, 2015. REUTERS/Stringer/File Photo


    London - Adil al-Salmi

    The Iranian State TV broadcast on Tuesday an exclusive interview with Commander of the Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Commander, Major General Qasem Soleimani, who has given an insight on his role in Lebanon during the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah war.

    This is the first interview of Soleimani, who is in charge of foreign operations especially in Syria and Iraq.

    During the 90-minute interview, Soleimani gave details of his role in Lebanon in advising ‘Hezbollah’ during the 34-day war. He came to Lebanon accompanied by Hezbollah military leader Imad Mughniyeh who was later assassinated in 2008.

    Mughniyeh was considered the engineer of the 2006 war, which killed 1,200 Lebanese and 160 Israelis.

    Soleimani spoke about the incident that triggered the war, represented in a group from Hezbollah managing to “attack a vehicle of the Zionists, inside the occupied lands and captured two wounded persons from inside the vehicle as hostages” on July 12.

    After one week of his arrival to Lebanon, he traveled to Iran to brief Khamenei on the updates in Lebanon -- Soleimani returned on the same day with a message to Hezbollah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah.

    The Major General remained in the country until the end of the war. He didn’t mention the presence of other Iranians and only narrated his personal experience during the interview.

    He also recounted how, under Israeli bombardment of Hezbollah's stronghold in Beirut's southern suburbs, he and Mughniyeh moved out Nasrallah from his "operations room" where they were based, and then they returned to the command center.

    The interview, which was carried out by Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei's office, came days after it published a photo showing Nasrallah next to Khamenei and Soleimani, in an apparent recent meeting between the three in Tehran.


    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    My sources tell me he had a bioweapon that he was bringing to Iraq to use against innocent people and US military.
    Curious, how is track record of this source, had this source taken any position on Iraq's bioweapon factories/WMDs/yellowcake that respected neoconseratives enabler Colin Powell had presented at UN meeting to justify Iraq invasion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Also, I don't cry when CIA stooges are killed.
    I keep seeing this but I have not seen any relevant evidence that this is the case nor did I hear Ron Paul utter the word CIA asset as a fact. I don't even remember hims saying CIA or that he was related to it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.





    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect - Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    I keep seeing this but I have not seen any relevant evidence that this is the case nor did I hear Ron Paul utter the word CIA asset as a fact. I don't even remember hims saying CIA or that he was related to it.
    Same.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    If he was so close to enemies of Israel as an asset, won't that be bad news for our closest ally Israel? Would top GOPA donors have approved romoval of an asset that was so close to top leaders in Iran and Lebanon?

    Two and two don't add up about this theory.
    , how is track record of this source, had this source taken any position on Iraq's bioweapon factories/WMDs/yellowcake that respected neoconseratives enabler Colin Powell had presented at UN meeting to justify Iraq invasion?
    It all adds up perfectly.

    During the 90-minute interview, Soleimani gave details of his role in Lebanon in advising ‘Hezbollah’ during the 34-day war. He came to Lebanon accompanied by Hezbollah military leader Imad Mughniyeh who was later assassinated in 2008.
    How else would Israel be able to get the best intelligence possible than by putting in a mole to advise Hezbollah??

    Also, in order to keep his identity secret, for someone with such a high profile, it would be important for not a lot of people to know that Soleimani is actually a CIA/Mossad agent.

    Trump just happened to gain intelligence that most of the zionists didn't have personally, and so he coordinated this attack to make it appear pro-zionist.

    It's called 4D chess.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    I keep seeing this but I have not seen any relevant evidence that this is the case nor did I hear Ron Paul utter the word CIA asset as a fact. I don't even remember hims saying CIA or that he was related to it.
    ...but you would be surprised???

    I never said Ron Paul said that, but he will find out about it soon enough.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    ...but you would be surprised???

    I never said Ron Paul said that, but he will find out about it soon enough.
    Ya...that’s why mods had to edit your title. Not being surprised is one thing and yes I would agree. But this is the same logic the yokels like Luke Harding have been using to write books on Trumps collusion with Russia. Probably not a good idea to paint as a fact.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.





    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect - Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    would serve to finally unite the Iraqi factions against the United States. And so it has
    This is exactly what we wanted. The reason Ron Paul isn't president is exactly because he says "just come home". The MIC won't allow someone like that to be president.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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  32. #28
    Bump because I totally missed this .
    *******

    I didn't start out thinking that anti-vax people were fools or impervious to reason, it's from my experience here that I now think that.
    - AmyPi 2014 (RIP)

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

  33. #29
    Maybe Ron needs to educate himself on the thousands of Deep State pedophiles Trump is arresting and their CIA assets in Iran.
    Support Justin Amash for Congress
    Michigan Congressional District 3

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    Maybe Ron needs to educate himself on the thousands of Deep State pedophiles Trump is arresting and their CIA assets in Iran.
    Trump is taking down their piggy banks.


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