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Thread: Granny traffic stop goes from $80 fixit-ticket to violent takedown and cuffing

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    Granny traffic stop goes from $80 fixit-ticket to violent takedown and cuffing



    This is an incident from several months ago so people may have already seen it. I'm posting it here because it just made me realize that this is a picture-perfect illustration of the libertarian counter-argument against police-state nanny laws. "Oh, it's just a matter of keeping the paperwork on vehicles up-to-date." No, it is absolutely not just some polite question of keeping paperwork up-to-date. Every single statute and administrative rule on the books, without exception, is its own loaded gun (and taser, pepper-spray, canine, hell, entire police cruiser) pointed directly at every single citizen. To say otherwise is a blatant lie and incidents like this prove it.

    You can fault grandma because "she should have known better." But I look at it the other way:

    If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit. But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:28,29)
    These damn killers in cop uniforms are dumber than oxen and deserve to be treated like oxen because that's how they act. The real issue is the police departments -- and the statutory system that creates them -- that keep these dangerous animals around and even sick them onto private citizens. Since the American establishment is cock-sure that it wants to play Old Testament, I say it's time to bring back Moses:

    Anyone who takes the life of a human being is to be put to death. Anyone who takes the life of someone’s animal must make restitution—life for life. Anyone who injures their neighbor is to be injured in the same manner: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. The one who has inflicted the injury must suffer the same injury. Whoever kills an animal must make restitution, but whoever kills a human being is to be put to death. You are to have the same law for the foreigner and the native-born. I am the Lord your God. (Leviticus 24:17ff, NIV)
    Taser for taser, cuff for cuff, body-slam for body-slam. I can literally taste the blood...
    Last edited by ClaytonB; 01-03-2020 at 10:16 PM.



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    Yeah, try to espouse your rights in that situation only to be took down, tased, cuffed & arrested, then released cuz there are no real charges & no crime committed (except by the cops), all to discourage folks from invoking their lawful rights.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    I hate it when people abuse the elderly. This is especially true when it comes to cops.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    That was obviously quite stressful for the poor officer.

    At least one month paid leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    . I'm posting it here because it just made me realize that this is a picture-perfect illustration of the libertarian counter-argument against police-state nanny laws. "Oh, it's just a matter of keeping the paperwork on vehicles up-to-date." No, it is absolutely not just some polite question of keeping paperwork up-to-date. Every single statute and administrative rule on the books, without exception, is its own loaded gun (and taser, pepper-spray, canine, hell, entire police cruiser) pointed directly at every single citizen. To say otherwise is a blatant lie and incidents like this prove it..
    Very good observation. And that was hard to watch.

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    Pretty much every comment on the video indicates the woman was at fault and officer friendly went overboard trying get her to cooperate. They think she is spoiled and entitled because she is old and gotten away with bullying people her entire life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Very good observation. And that was hard to watch.
    Yep. Reminds me of a typical "discipline session" from childhood where Granny is the child and the cop is the parent. He's just itching for the excuse to deploy force and when she says, "I'm not going to sign the ticket" (a purely procedural "offense"), he immediately escalates to arrest without even skipping a beat. That's just nuts. Her response was "dumb" in the sense that it was predictably going to receive a maximally forceful reply from the cop (I'm surprised a million cruisers didn't arrive to back him up, as they usually do) but this line of reasoning directly contradicts the narrative by which all these nanny laws are sold in the first place -- "It's just a polite and civilized matter of keeping the paperwork up-to-date, no need to get all dramatic about how the police would use 'deadly force' to enforce a violation, here. Just do your paperwork and we don't need to worry about any of that..." Bull-hockey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    They think she is spoiled and entitled because she is old and gotten away with bullying people her entire life.
    Oh, yes, the world of YT comments... they remind me of the chit-chat that must have rippled through the crowds watching people being fed to the lions in the Roman coliseum. "Oh, he definitely had it coming, just look at his face, what a lowlife!"



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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Yep. Reminds me of a typical "discipline session" from childhood where Granny is the child and the cop is the parent. He's just itching for the excuse to deploy force and when she says, "I'm not going to sign the ticket" (a purely procedural "offense"), he immediately escalates to arrest without even skipping a beat. That's just nuts. Her response was "dumb" in the sense that it was predictably going to receive a maximally forceful reply from the cop (I'm surprised a million cruisers didn't arrive to back him up, as they usually do) but this line of reasoning directly contradicts the narrative by which all these nanny laws are sold in the first place -- "It's just a polite and civilized matter of keeping the paperwork up-to-date, no need to get all dramatic about how the police would use 'deadly force' to enforce a violation, here. Just do your paperwork and we don't need to worry about any of that..." Bull-hockey.
    Yeah, that's what I saw too. That escalation was unreal. In another video of the incident she hands over her drivers license and he asks her if she's "related to Hank?" and she tells him she's his mother. Then a little later he says something to the effect of "looks like busted tail lights are a pattern with the Hamils.." ?? Wonder what was going on there?

    She's the grandmother of the two little toddler boys who tragically died in the 2012 tornado:
    https://oklahoman.com/gallery/articleid/3571531

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Pretty much every comment on the video indicates the woman was at fault and officer friendly went overboard trying get her to cooperate. They think she is spoiled and entitled because she is old and gotten away with bullying people her entire life.
    The Youtube comment section isn't exactly filled with the most intelligent people.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge



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