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    Trump retweets QAnon, Let us review Pizzagate

    -Media outlets have described QAnon as an "offshoot" of the widely discredited and debunked[30] Pizzagate conspiracy theory.[31]" Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

    Ok so let's go there. What did Pizzagate REALLY say?

    Trump just retweeted a 'QAnon' conspiracy-theory hashtag to his 68 million followers


    https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@munkl...ake-news-media

    The Pizzagate Images You Will Never See in the "Fake News" Media


    The irony of the mainstream media's relentless campaign to brand "Pizzagate" as "fake news" is that it only serves to raise suspicions. Anyone with an Internet connection can see the images and emails for themselves, and see the glaring omissions from the media's representation of the affair.

    But first, just what is Pizzagate? Here the mainstream media gives itself away even further by seeming to coordinate on false talking points. Pizzagate, the mighty Wurlitzers of the media reiterate, is nothing more than an incorrigible gaggle of conspiracy theorists who believe that a child sex-slave ring is being run out of the basement of a Washington DC pizza shop.

    Nevermind that this has never been the contention. Nor that this is preposterous.

    The communications and exchanges between Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign manager, John Podesta, his brother Tony, and their circle of friends are far more ominous than this outlandish idea. These are the communications linked to Wikileaks' publication of the Podesta emails last October.

    It turns out that this circle of friends has a penchant for sexually-loaded images of children, even infants. One photograph sent around by James Alefantis, the owner of the Washington DC pizza shop at the center of attention, is of an infant with the caption: "Why does daddy like butt?" and "#whatwhatinthebutt."

    Instagram social media post from James Alefantis' "jimmycomet" account

    That is one Pizzagate image you will never, ever see, along with many others, in the Washington Post, USA Today, or the New York Times.
    Alefantis has been named by GQ as one of the "50 Most Powerful People in Washington." If you ask how a pizza shop owner becomes one of the 50 most powerful people in DC, so have many others. It turns out he is no ordinary shop owner, but the former long-time partner of David Brock, of Media Matters, a hotwire straight into the heart of the Democratic Party establishment.




    Lest the Pizzagate "debunking" media try to claim that no one knows if the Instagram account on which these shocking comments and images are posted even really belongs to Alefantis, Alefantis has acknowledged the account. In perhaps a perfect mini-morality tale, Alefantis was attempting, in an interview with Megyn Kelly of Fox News, to dispel the idea that the account contained anything untoward, by addressing a less incendiary Instagram. Understandably Alefantis never mentioned the afore-mentioned one. In the process, Alefantis unwittingly forever established that he and “jimmycomet,” the handle for the account, are one and the same.

    It is interesting to note that jimmycomet’s avatar, the image one chooses to represent an account, is of a bust of Antinous, the 13 year-old boy lover of the Roman emperor Hadrian, when Hadrian was 48. The late Classical scholar Royston Lambert called the sculpture one of the "most elevated and ideal monuments to pederastic love of the whole ancient world."

    In the interview, a sympathetic and incredulous Megyn Kelly, feigning astonishment at the unfairness of it all, declined to ask Alefantis the meaning of “Why does daddy like butt?” Kelly is nothing if not a competent journalist, and certainly was familiar with the entirely of the Pizzagate images, which include paintings of children bound, gagged, and hanging by their wrists from the ceiling, by the Podestas’ artist friend. The Podesta emails show that the brothers are dinner party friends of the artist, whose dinner party themes include “Spirit Cooking.” According to a playful performance art piece, Spirit Cooking calls for mixing "breast milk with fresh sperm milk."
    Megyn Kelly nterview with James Alefantis

    Is Pizzagate a victimless crime? This is a defense employed by the stoutest defenders of Podesta, Alefantis, and their circle of friends. Bad taste is not a crime, and certainly does not warrant smearing someone’s reputation as a pedophile. To be sure, a blogger in Massachusetts, who goes by the handle Titus Frost, has said that he and hacker associates have come across hidden files of child pornography at the website for Comet Ping Pong, the name of Alefantis’ pizza shop.

    The mere possession of child porn is a felony, on the reasoning that children had to have been abused in the making of it, and so a crime exists. Frost also claims he has sent the files and information to the Washington DC police, to an “Officer Marcus Stevens.” Frost has posted what he says is a screenshot of email correspondence between himself and Stevens.

    Some say this is thin gruel. How do we know Frost is telling the truth? But in another interesting coincidence, days after Titus Frost posted his claim online for a large audience, one Edgar Welch famously walked into Comet Pizza with a rifle, fired one shot, and gave himself up. That shot just happened to hit, of all things, the company computer. Doubtless the computer which was in the closet has been destroyed, and a brand new one sits in its place. A client computer, as this would be called, can yield all manner of information on data which has resided on it or passed through it.

    Purported screenshot of email correspondence with Washington DC police over child porn images

    Thus the conveniently-timed destruction of possible evidence served a dual purpose, whether by design or not. A two-fer. The shooting allows the media to link Pizzagate research with violence. Which it immediately did. The Washington Post intoned menacingly "Pizzagate: From rumor, to hashtag, to gunfire in D.C."

    Hillary Clinton jumped in with an attack on citizens asking questions about the odd emails and images, tweeting about the "real consequences of fake news." This assault on First Amendment speech surpassed even George W. Bush's warning after 9/11 to "let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories," i.e. those indicting government officials. Now the inconvenient speech was firmly linked to an attack.
    Clinton tweet

    It is tangential, but interesting, that Clinton was the one who intervened on behalf of an American woman who was arrested, prosecuted, and convicted in Haiti, after the 2010 earthquake, for attempting to smuggle 33 Haitian children out of the country, into the neighboring Dominican Republic, which happens to be a playground for pedophiles. In an unusual interference in another country’s criminal justice process for non-political prisoners, Clinton deployed Bill Clinton to plead, successfully, for the release of Laura Silsby.
    Furthermore, with respect to the rejoinder that Pizzagate is a victimless crime, although there may be no correlation, it is nevertheless true that the immediate area of Washington DC is by far the missing children capital of the country, most notably the northern Virginia county of Fairfax. Fairfax, VA, has almost as many children reported missing in 2015-2016 as all of Los Angeles, despite having but a tiny fraction of the population.

    John Podesta has shown open sympathy for child rapists, as revealed by the emails. Podesta in one email wrote of convicted child rapist and former Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, just before he was sentenced: "Might be time for Dennis to vanish to some undisclosed Japanese Island."

    Thus we come to the central question: Why is the mainstream media working so hard to steer opinion on what should be no more than a routine criminal investigation, to ensure that allegations of possession of child porn among the parties is not true? And to debunk the rest of the allegations made in Pizzagte? All law enforcement need do is investigate and, if there is nothing, issue a statement putting it all to rest.

    As the Constitutional watchdog for government, the media, the press, is the institution which is letting America down most, by flat-out lying about everything to do with Pizzagate. Politicians we can expect to be slimy. It’s bad enough some of the allegations may be true. But worse, perhaps, is the brutal betrayal of trust of some or our oldest and most prestigious institutions.
    Last edited by James_Madison_Lives; 01-05-2020 at 03:25 PM.



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    So if the president retweets a "conspiracy theory" is it still a conspiracy theory? Or is he trying to tell us something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    So if the president retweets a "conspiracy theory" is it still a conspiracy theory? Or is he trying to tell us something?
    He's telling us something.
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    Even Alex Jones dropped Pizzagate after that guy went in and shot up the place looking for the basement they didn't have. "It is all in fun until somebody gets hurt!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Even Alex Jones dropped Pizzagate after that guy went in and shot up the place looking for the basement they didn't have. "It is all in fun until somebody gets hurt!"
    That's why the other side arranged that event, they want to suppress the truth.
    @dannno has educated you many times on the facts, like the fact that they did have a basement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Even Alex Jones dropped Pizzagate after that guy went in and shot up the place looking for the basement they didn't have. "It is all in fun until somebody gets hurt!"
    Yea he fired one shot which just happened to hit the store computer with child porn on it, destroying evidence. Lucky shot hey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's why the other side arranged that event, they want to suppress the truth.
    @dannno has educated you many times on the facts, like the fact that they did have a basement.
    Wrong. They have another store two units down which has a basement. Comet Pizza does not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Wrong. They have another store two units down which has a basement. Comet Pizza does not.
    Wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Wrong.
    Prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Prove it.
    I'll let @dannno do that if he feels like repeating himself, he's already done so multiple times.
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    Shame on Trump admin for not arresting Ghislaine Maxwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'll let @dannno do that if he feels like repeating himself, he's already done so multiple times.
    I see. You fail yet again to support a claim when challenged. Why am I not surprised?

    Alex Jones: https://money.cnn.com/2017/03/30/med...tis/index.html

    Jones eventually got to the retraction, acknowledging a basic fact that proves Pizzagate false. The conspiracy theory has held that the supposed sex ring was run out Comet's basement, when in actuality the restaurant doesn't even have one.

    "Yes, I retract that about Ping Pong pizza. There's not a damn basement. I don't think Alefantis is a pedophile. I've already said all that," Jones said.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-05-2020 at 02:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I see. You fail yet again to support a claim when challenged. Why am I not surprised?
    I don't have to repeat what dannno has already proven just because you ignore it.
    You didn't prove your claims either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Even Alex Jones dropped Pizzagate after that guy went in and shot up the place looking for the basement they didn't have. "It is all in fun until somebody gets hurt!"
    Pretty much i think this pizzagate is a bit overblown.. Even if some elites are doing this i highly doubt they would post things like this wide publicly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Wrong. They have another store two units down which has a basement. Comet Pizza does not.
    LOL, now you're really stretching it. It was two units down, in the same exact building. It's all the same basement, it is where they kept the tomato sauce for Comet Pizza. I looked up the menu for the other restaurant, and I didn't see any menu items with tomatoes. So clearly they were keeping all of the tomato sauce for Comet Pizza from annually harvested organic tomatoes in whatever basement they had access to, however they had access to it.

    It is also a tunnel system, not just a basement. If you watched that video you yourself posted you would see all of the stores have access to the tunnel system from the back of the units through a separate door, and may or may not have access otherwise from the inside of the units as well.
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    What is this creepy chit in Podesta's emails, 50 and 60 something year old adults getting excitement about little kids in hot tubs and such? Why wouldn't the FBI seize his hard drives?




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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    Shame on Trump admin for not arresting Ghislaine Maxwell
    She is hiding in Israel. Trump was good friends with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    Trump was good friends with her.
    ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    ???
    I encourage everyone to duckduckgo trump maxwell and see all the different events and photo ops. Just imagine all the times that weren't photographed

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    I encourage everyone to duckduckgo trump maxwell and see all the different events and photo ops. Just imagine all the times that weren't photographed
    That's not proof of him being good friends with her.

    People in that strata always put on a show in public.
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    That girl was shown to not even exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Even Alex Jones dropped Pizzagate after that guy went in and shot up the place looking for the basement they didn't have. "It is all in fun until somebody gets hurt!"
    He went to Comet Ping Pong and shot into a computer, if I recall correctly. He certainly didn't "shoot up the place." In addition, Pizzagate likely spawned the "fake news" mantra, before it was co-opted by the right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    He went to Comet Ping Pong and shot into a computer, if I recall correctly. He certainly didn't "shoot up the place." In addition, Pizzagate likely spawned the "fake news" mantra, before it was co-opted by the right.
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/pizzagate...g-conspiracies

    Welch walked into Comet Ping Pong armed with a knife, AR-15 assault weapon and a revolver. Welch said that he had driven to the pizzeria from Salisbury, N.C., in order to investigate online conspiracy theories of child sex slaves being held in the restaurant.

    Welch fired his gun multiple times when he came upon a locked storage closet.

    After finding no children held against their will, Welch surrendered to police. He said “that he had read online that the Comet restaurant was harboring child sex slaves and that he wanted to see for himself if they were there,” according to the arrest affidavit.

    “[Welch] stated that he was armed to help rescue them,” it said.
    He said he "came to D.C. with the intent of helping people I believed were in dire need of assistance, and to bring an end to a corruption that I truly felt was harming innocent lives."

    "It was never my intention to harm or frighten innocent lives, but I realize now just how foolish and reckless my decision was," Welch wrote.



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    I don't think that it quite qualifies as "shooting up the place," in the colloquial sense. Regardless, there were no casualties.

    There are definitely some unanswered questions regarding Alefantis (#chickenlover), Majestic Ape/Heavy Breathing, the artwork with obvious innuendo, etc., but I don't think that there are children locked in the basement of a pizza restaurant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's why the other side arranged that event, they want to suppress the truth.
    @dannno has educated you many times on the facts, like the fact that they did have a basement.
    False claims by @dannno does not evidence make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    He went to Comet Ping Pong and shot into a computer, if I recall correctly. He certainly didn't "shoot up the place." In addition, Pizzagate likely spawned the "fake news" mantra, before it was co-opted by the right.
    Seriously? Your argument is that he "only" shot a computer so its okay? Seriously?
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    False claims by @dannno does not evidence make.
    Your assertion doesn't make his claims false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Seriously? Your argument is that he "only" shot a computer so its okay? Seriously?
    Nobody said it was okay, the argument is that he was used by the other side to destroy evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Your assertion doesn't make his claims false.
    True. But a lack of actual evidence does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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