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  1. #961
    Would have been so proud , smiling down from Heaven on MAGA-GOPA leadership:

    "McCain: Sanctions, attacks await Iran "



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  3. #962
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My life has more opportunities and freedoms with a constitutional republic. My life isnt worth anything without one. If your argument is that it doesn't exist than i will fight to make it exist. I will make it reality.
    You didn't answer the question. I answered yours.

    Do you actually believe your life really means something to the masters you defend....lol

    It is also a non argument for those who are aware. No, we do not currently have a constitutional republic. Our government is currently in the form of corporate fascism. Please educate yourself on what that actually means. Google would be a great start but keep in mind, corporate fascism has evolved into it's current form which differs from the vanilla definitions you will find at the top of you search.
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  4. #963
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Trump isn't helping ISIS by defeating a common enemy. That's doublespeak. Trump's administration stopped arming ISIS. Obamas administration armed ISIS.
    Wrong. Bush created and armed Isis. Obombya merely continued to do so just as Trump continues to do so
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  5. #964
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    What does that even mean?

    Here is the reality. Anyone with reasonable intelligence and a strong work ethic can become financially secure in the US. Being the child of an actor (lol wut?) not necessary.

    Sorry. Not familiar with the tent cities and people who can't get a job or a house ever are. Unemployment 3.6% right now, btw.
    Obviously you do not drive very far from your own home...lol
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  6. #965
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Well. That is factually wrong. Libertarians support human freedom. They don't support permanent rule of Communists or Mullahs. Pretty sure most libertarians support the American Revolution. Libertarians do tend to support limiting military involvement as a practical issue of the their government in foreign affairs. But that doesn't mean pacifism if someone is a direct threat. The Soviet Union was a direct threat.
    The Soviet Union was only a direct threat to our interests abroad.....ie: our regime changes are a direct threat to their interests abroad. See how that works now?
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  7. #966
    Quote Originally Posted by showpan View Post
    You didn't answer the question. I answered yours.

    Do you actually believe your life really means something to the masters you defend....lol

    It is also a non argument for those who are aware. No, we do not currently have a constitutional republic. Our government is currently in the form of corporate fascism. Please educate yourself on what that actually means. Google would be a great start but keep in mind, corporate fascism has evolved into it's current form which differs from the vanilla definitions you will find at the top of you search.
    I responded to your philosophical question about meaning with my personal perspective and my philosophy. Meaning is relative. One cannot truely see someone else's meaning. We are sort of like dogs that way.

  8. #967
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    I responded to your philosophical question about meaning with my personal perspective and my philosophy. Meaning is relative. One cannot truely see someone else's meaning. We are sort of like dogs that way.
    wrong, I, along with others can clearly see what you are up to here in this forum....lol...I am nothing like a dog. Speak for yourself.
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  9. #968
    Quote Originally Posted by showpan View Post
    wrong, I, along with others can clearly see what you are up to here in this forum....lol...I am nothing like a dog. Speak for yourself.
    If you believe you can truly measure meaning non relatively than you are a mad man.



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  11. #969
    Quote Originally Posted by showpan View Post
    The Soviet Union was only a direct threat to our interests abroad.....ie: our regime changes are a direct threat to their interests abroad. See how that works now?
    They were a direct threat to America at home and so is Communist China.
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  12. #970
    The irony to me is that 30 years ago the Iranians and the Iraqis were fighting each other. We gotta come up with a better plan than uniting everyone against us.

    Probably if all our troops left the middle east tomorrow, the countries and people there would find some excuse to start killing each other. Saudi Arabia wants for whatever reason to attack Yemen. I'm fine with that. "Whatever," says I. Fk'em. But they can do it without our help, or interference.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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  13. #971
    More 'warring' without a declaration of war.

  14. #972
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    The irony to me is that 30 years ago the Iranians and the Iraqis were fighting each other. We gotta come up with a better plan than uniting everyone against us.

    Probably if all our troops left the middle east tomorrow, the countries and people there would find some excuse to start killing each other. Saudi Arabia wants for whatever reason to attack Yemen. I'm fine with that. "Whatever," says I. Fk'em. But they can do it without our help, or interference.
    Iran's been buying political influence and support there for years. After the Saddam Iraq war they took in a lot of refugees and then sent a bunch back to Iraq to be cheerleaders for Iran politically. They know how to brainwash people and understand how to use propaganda. Some of the germans went to Iran during world war 2. The British did regime change there because they were loyal to the Germans. The Iraqi government supports Iran as a form of protection. Essentially Iraq thinks that Iran can wipe them out with impunity. Its sort of like how people are loyal to the mafia. I guess you could argue thats a healthy relationship. There is a cost when you make these sort of deals though.

  15. #973
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Iran's been buying political influence and support there for years. After the Saddam Iraq war they took in a lot of refugees and then sent a bunch back to Iraq to be cheerleaders for Iran politically. They know how to brainwash people and understand how to use propaganda. Some of the germans went to Iran during world war 2. The British did regime change there because they were loyal to the Germans. The Iraqi government supports Iran as a form of protection. Essentially Iraq thinks that Iran can wipe them out with impunity. Its sort of like how people are loyal to the mafia. I guess you could argue thats a healthy relationship. There is a cost when you make these sort of deals though.
    So, Iran is full of crypto-nazis?

    Is this the propaganda love-child of an antifa/neocon union?
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  16. #974
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They were a direct threat to America at home and so is Communist China.
    Then why is the US military clearing the path for their One Belt One Road project? I've posted about this multiple times and everybody just cruises right on past the posts without a single reply.

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    More 'warring' without a declaration of war.
    Pelosi says the House will introduce a War Powers Resolution to limit any action to 30 days. Pence already tried to tie Iran to 9/11 as justification under the original AUMF.
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  17. #975
    Speaking of China.


  18. #976
    Quote Originally Posted by tommyrp12 View Post
    Speaking of China.

    The moment Russia and China provided Military assistance to Syria's gov this was a tied turning around agaisnt the so called Western Syrian Moderate Rebels. Iraq and China could make huge benefits from this mess right now.



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  20. #977
    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    The moment Russia and China provided Military assistance to Syria's gov this was a tied turning around agaisnt the so called Western Syrian Moderate Rebels. Iraq and China could make huge benefits from this mess right now.
    It raises the stakes for us that's for sure.

  21. #978
    Hey...where are all those posts by those lapdogs saying Trumps moving us out of the Middle East?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.


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  22. #979
    Quote Originally Posted by tommyrp12 View Post
    It raises the stakes for us that's for sure.
    Where are all those users claiming that China is going to implode? i hope those so called users or so called experts who make such claims realize if China implodes so does the West and America..
    America and most of the west rally around the cheap labor markets and trades out of China.. Even the Trump admin realized this. He lost the trade war agaisnt China.

    Trump has placed so many NeoCons around him, and for what reason? these neocons hated him since day, that logic that he hasn't even fired them just raises the question.
    Last edited by AngryCanadian; 01-06-2020 at 02:51 PM.

  23. #980
    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Where are all those users claiming that China is going to implode? i hope those so called users or so called experts who make such claims realize if China implodes so does the West and America..
    America and most of the west rally around the cheap labor markets and trades out of China.. Even the Trump admin realized this. He lost the trade war agaisnt China.

    Trump has placed so many NeoCons around him, and for what reason? these neocons hated him since day, that logic that he hasn't even fired them just raises the question.
    The US has been bullying the world with its fiat currency. China has been building business with its fiat currency. Pretty easy to see what's going to win out in the long game. We (the US) has more propaganda resources than any country that has ever existed. I find it funny, yet concerning, that most believe that their government would never do that to them. That just one example of how deep the propaganda in this country is.

    Don't worry though, Trump will save us from the satanic deepstate pedophiles!

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  24. #981
    This is a hoot. Number one ally in the middle east.

  25. #982
    de ja vu.

    Republicans are warmongers.

    Hannity is happy he doesn't need to mention the derp state again.

  26. #983
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    More 'warring' without a declaration of war.
    or any good reason,, for that matter.
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  27. #984
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Iran's regime has no right to exist. China's regime has no right to exist. What they think does not matter at all from a moral perspective. The only question is what is in the United States' best interest. I have not weighed in on that question at all because I don't know. My default is the US should always do nothing unless directly attacked.
    Other regimes have no right to exist just as much as our Neocon NWO regime has no right to exist. But it does because idiots continue to vote for them.
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  29. #985
    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    de ja vu.

    Republicans are warmongers.

    Hannity is happy he doesn't need to mention the derp state again.
    Unless Trump, Hannity have being part of the same state since the start. They are controlled opposition...

  30. #986
    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Where are all those users claiming that China is going to implode? i hope those so called users or so called experts who make such claims realize if China implodes so does the West and America..
    America and most of the west rally around the cheap labor markets and trades out of China.. Even the Trump admin realized this. He lost the trade war agaisnt China.

    Trump has placed so many NeoCons around him, and for what reason? these neocons hated him since day, that logic that he hasn't even fired them just raises the question.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to AngryCanadian again.


    Trump filled the swamp with more neocons than bush had.....that says a lot ans should have answered any questions
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  31. #987
    High Explosives are falling where our Troops should not be..
    They were Told to leave.. They refused.

    The base will be removed .
    Any further action will widen the retaliation.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  32. #988
    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Unless Trump, Hannity have being part of the same state since the start. They are controlled opposition...
    that was the joke.

    Trump was never against the neocons.

    Hannity was freaking out that Democrats have the power to undermine his popularity so he kept acting like the intelligence community are out to get him.

    Controlled opposition isn't accurate, more like losers who will say anything for their agenda, that's Hannity and all of Fox News.

    Trump is a delusional liar, he'll always do the bidding of the rich and powerful.

  33. #989
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    More 'warring' without a declaration of war.
    Theres not gonna be a declaration of war for an awfully long time.
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  34. #990
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Ironically, this is impeachable, but the neoconservative Democrat leadership will praise him on this.
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So are you part and parcel of the propaganda machine, or has cognitive dissonance simply consumed your entire skull?
    I will stand by my assessment. It was an act of war, it was unconstitutional, it set a new precedent in assassinating foreign leaders, and yes, it is actually impeachable.
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