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    Trump Stumbling Into Neocon Trap In Iraq

    Trump Stumbling Into Neocon Trap In Iraq



    President Trump is swallowing the neocon line on the Iraqi protests at the US embassy in Baghdad, blaming the whole incident on Iran. Suddenly everyone who doesn't want the US military to continue to occupy Iraq - nearly 17 years after an invasion based on lies - is an "Iranian proxy." Will Trump continue to take the neocon bait and stumble his way into a war on Iran? Starting a war based on neocon lies is likely the only thing that would prevent his re-election.
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    Are we there yet?
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Golly I can't believe Sword hasn't responded yet

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    Most ironic quote of the 20th Century

    "I hate war." ----- FDR 1936

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    i dread ww3

    i know ww1

    was set off by

    an assassination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Golly I can't believe Sword hasn't responded yet
    He will. Give it time. It's a gimme.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
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    This move is beyond stupid. I just read that this Iranian General is one of the key strategists in the removal of ISIS as a major threat in Iraq. Also the attack killed 5 members of the Iraq's Shia Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF) also a key factor in ISIS removal.

    No one can argue that Trump is a the peace guy anymore. Not with a straight face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.


    Whenever someone tells me Trump is draining the Swamp.


    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect - Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    This move is beyond stupid. I just read that this Iranian General is one of the key strategists in the removal of ISIS as a major threat in Iraq. Also the attack killed 5 members of the Iraq's Shia Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF) also a key factor in ISIS removal.

    No one can argue that Trump is a the peace guy anymore. Not with a straight face.
    He never has been- his rhetoric against Iran was war/more war from his campaign on.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    This move is beyond stupid. I just read that this Iranian General is one of the key strategists in the removal of ISIS as a major threat in Iraq. Also the attack killed 5 members of the Iraq's Shia Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF) also a key factor in ISIS removal.

    No one can argue that Trump is a the peace guy anymore. Not with a straight face.
    I'll argue it. Iraq's "Shia Popular Mobilization Forces" = Kata'ib Hezbollah

    To call that group an ally because they also wanted ISIS gone is not only disingenuous, but borderline absurd. They killed an American, so we killed them, captured their leaders and killed an "Iranian General" who was responsible for thousands of deaths in his own country and hundreds of US deaths via an already ongoing proxy war in Iraq.

    "Trump could have waited until Soleimani sent a dump truck packed with explosives into a US embassy or military installation, or had a Shia militia capture, torture and murder US personnel- but instead he decided to take action." -Buck Sexton (Former CIA Intel Officer in charge of Iraq)

    Trump loses my vote if he starts a war with Iran, but this isn't that for now, and attacking a US embassy is an act of war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    This move is beyond stupid. I just read that this Iranian General is one of the key strategists in the removal of ISIS as a major threat in Iraq. Also the attack killed 5 members of the Iraq's Shia Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF) also a key factor in ISIS removal.

    No one can argue that Trump is a the peace guy anymore. Not with a straight face.
    Yeah. He was a pragmatic strategist, who also worked with the US as we prepared to go into Afghanistan. This is from 2013. It's a long but interesting read: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...adow-commander

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulRocksMyWorld View Post
    I'll argue it. Iraq's "Shia Popular Mobilization Forces" = Kata'ib Hezbollah

    To call that group an ally because they also wanted ISIS gone is not only disingenuous, but borderline absurd. They killed an American, so we killed them, captured their leaders and killed an "Iranian General" who was responsible for thousands of deaths in his own country and hundreds of US deaths via an already ongoing proxy war in Iraq.

    "Trump could have waited until Soleimani sent a dump truck packed with explosives into a US embassy or military installation, or had a Shia militia capture, torture and murder US personnel- but instead he decided to take action." -Buck Sexton (Former CIA Intel Officer in charge of Iraq)

    Trump loses my vote if he starts a war with Iran, but this isn't that for now, and attacking a US embassy is an act of war.
    Let's wait and see. Iraq is asking us to leave. If we do, then I will give Trump kudos, but I am going to guess that the reaction to the killing of a popular Shiite general isn't going to be polite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Golly I can't believe Sword hasn't responded yet
    A direct attack on RP would be too obvious.
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