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    Trump is not a lawyer - Ruth Bader Ginsburg

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50829474

    Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has responded to Donald Trump's call for the top US court to stop impeachment.

    "The president is not a lawyer," she told the BBC in an exclusive interview, adding: "He's not law trained."

    In a wide-ranging conversation, she also said poor women were victims of restrictive abortion access.

    The US president is expected to be impeached by the House of Representatives on Wednesday.

    The House, controlled by the Democrats, accuses him of an abuse of power in his dealings with Ukraine.

    Impeachment is like an indictment - the charges will then be sent to the Republican-controlled Senate for a trial, where senators act like jurors.

    President Trump is expected to be acquitted there of the two charges he faces.

    What did Ms Ginsburg say about impeachment?
    Earlier this month, the president suggested in a tweet that the Supreme Court could step in.

    "Radical Left has NO CASE. Read the Transcripts. Shouldn't even be allowed. Can we go to Supreme Court to stop?"

    When the BBC's Razia Iqbal asked the justice what her reading of the constitution was in this context, she replied: "The president is not a lawyer, he's not law trained."

    Ms Ginsburg also implied that senators who display bias should be disqualified from acting as jurors in the trial.

    There was criticism over the weekend of Mitch McConnell, who leads the Republican party in the Senate, for saying an acquittal was a foregone conclusion.

    When asked about senators making up their minds before the trial, the Supreme Court Justice said: "Well if a judge said that, a judge would be disqualified from sitting on the case."


    What did she say about abortion access?

    "I think society needs to be more active on this issue," she said.

    "And the truth is that with all these restrictive laws, the only people who are being restricted are poor women."

    Women with the means to travel to other states to get abortions were able to, she added.

    Poor women bear the brunt of states' laws that restrict access, she said.

    "They normally can't pay a plane fare or the bus fare, they can't afford to take days off of work to go."

    Why is Ruth Bader Ginsburg important?

    President Trump has appointed two judges since taking office, and the current court is seen to have a 5-4 conservative majority in most cases.

    Ms Ginsburg, 86, is the oldest sitting justice on the Supreme Court, and has received hospital treatment a number of times in recent years.

    As the court's most senior liberal justice, her health is closely watched.
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    No he is not, thank God. If it was up to me I would ban all lawyers from government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    No he is not, thank God. If it was up to me I would ban all lawyers from government.
    What do you call 100 dead lawyers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    What do you call 100 dead lawyers?
    a start?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    a start?
    Ya gotta start somewhere.
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    Trump is not a lawyer.

    Water is wet.

    Also Ginsburg is not a real estate agent.
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    Laugh all you want, but if you're going to have laws at all (and I realize some on this site don't want any), then they'll need to be carefully drafted and not violate the Constitution, something people without legal training aren't likely to be able to do.

    You'll also need lawyers to serve as judges, because a non-lawyer won't know anything about procedural or evidentiary rules, not to mention the applicable law in a civil or criminal case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Laugh all you want, but if you're going to have laws at all (and I realize some on this site don't want any), then they'll need to be carefully drafted and not violate the Constitution, something people without legal training aren't likely to be able to do.
    that's funny, because from what I've seen what you need a lawyer for is to violate the constitution but be weasly enough to get away with it. I think you could put a group of untrained people that have only read the constitution in a room and have more laws drafted that don't violate it, than a comparable room of laywers.



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    Funny how hysterical leftists are bc Gorsuch went on Fox but when the leftists go on Msnbc Colbert, etc and break norms by criticizing a president they think that is swell in their incoherent world.

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    Ms Ginsburg also implied that senators who display bias should be disqualified from acting as jurors in the trial.
    Thank god we heard from Darth Bader Ginsberg, the legal expert. Was that in the Constitution? What laws have been written about impeachment that support that claim? Who decides which Senators need to “recuse” themselves or be eliminated?
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    What did Ms Ginsburg say about impeachment?

    Earlier this month, the president suggested in a tweet that the Supreme Court could step in.

    "Radical Left has NO CASE. Read the Transcripts. Shouldn't even be allowed. Can we go to Supreme Court to stop?"

    When the BBC's Razia Iqbal asked the justice what her reading of the constitution was in this context, she replied: "The president is not a lawyer, he's not law trained."
    Thank you Captain Obvious. There is this guy named Judge Napolitano, who is legal trained, that said that the Chief Justice of The US (Roberts) could dismiss the case. That could be appealed via vote in the Senate, but they could then simply vote to let the dismissal stand.
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    ustice Ginsburg has fired the latest salvo in the ongoing debate about the Court’s use of foreign and international law sources in constitutional adjudication. On Friday, she gave a speech to the International Academy of Comparative Law at American University, entitled “A decent respect to the Opinions of [Human]kind”: The Value of a Comparative Perspective in Constitutional Adjudication. Not surprisingly given her earlier opinions, Justice Ginsburg comes out strongly in favor of the Court’s use of foreign and international law materials to interpret U.S. law, including the Constitution. She begins with an historical defense:

    http://opiniojuris.org/2010/08/02/justice-ginsburg-on-using-foreign-and-international-law-in-constitutional-adjudication/

    https://townhall.com/columnists/shawnmitchell/2018/07/04/ruth-bader-ginsberg-and-the-us-constitution-n2497142
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    Ginsburg is also not a Supreme Court Justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    What do you call 100 dead lawyers?
    Pretty sure one of them is RBG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    What do you call 100 dead lawyers?
    A bunch of $#@!s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Pretty sure one of them is RBG.
    No, she was recently spotted:

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    long as "were" at war he can do ANYTHING he wants and they cant do squat

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Yeah, just like Kagan and Sotomayor recused themselves from Obergefell and Sebelius after showing bias.
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    Nancy admits she not a lawyer either but she dabbles with meds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Nancy admits she not a lawyer either but she dabbles with meds.

    She is bat$#@! crazy.
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    The fact that she thinks this is some kind of mark against him shows how out of touch she is. To be expected from an octogenarian, but still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I think you could put a group of untrained people that have only read the constitution in a room and have more laws drafted that don't violate it, than a comparable room of laywers.
    The problem is that most people haven't read the Constitution and have no idea what's in it. In a survey done two years ago over a third of those polled couldn't name a single right protected by the First Amendment, and a third couldn't name a single branch of government. Even some who might have read it would still be convinced that it's OK to have forced prayer or recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools, to criminalize the burning of the American flag, or to require people to obtain a license before owning a firerm.

    As for Trump, his ignorance of the Constitution is astonishing. See https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/...ion-ignorance/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    She is bat$#@! crazy.
    The Botox has rot her brain.
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