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    Johnson says no to Sturgeon's Scottish referendum demand

    British Prime Minister Boris Johnson told Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon on Friday he would not support her plan for a second independence referendum, clashing just hours after the two leaders emerged triumphant from a national election.Sturgeon had earlier on Friday demanded another independence referendum after her Scottish National Party (SNP) won a better-than-expected 48 out of Scotland's 59 seats in the U.K. parliament in London.
    Johnson, whose Conservatives won a resounding victory in Thursday's election, spoke to Sturgeon later in the day and said he would not agree to another independence vote, after Scottish voters backed remaining in the United Kingdom in a 2014 vote.

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/uks-johns...182925648.html
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    Told you

    The SNP will probably pass a bill in the Scottish Parliament authorizing a referendum. It will likely end up in the Supreme Court. Because The Queen will stop it they will likely rule against it. There is nothing they can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Told you

    The SNP will probably pass a bill in the Scottish Parliament authorizing a referendum. It will likely end up in the Supreme Court. Because The Queen will stop it they will likely rule against it. There is nothing they can do.
    They might riot like Catalonia.

    They might even try to secede unilaterally.

    Things could get very interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They might riot like Catalonia.

    They might even try to secede unilaterally.

    Things could get very interesting.
    They won't riot. The latest opinion poll puts those against Scottish independence at 55%. It's not as popular as the SNP would like. There is nothing they can do. Also, any rioting will be ruthlessly supressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    They won't riot. The latest opinion poll puts those against Scottish independence at 55%. It's not as popular as the SNP would like. There is nothing they can do. Also, any rioting will be ruthlessly supressed.
    We will see.

    But if the efforts to stop a secession are too aggressive they could push people to support it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We will see.

    But if the efforts to stop a secession are too aggressive they could push people to support it.
    They can push it all they like. The Queen is too revered and feared and she will stop it. The last referendum had 55% against and the numbers haven't changed.

    Definitely keep an eye on it though. The first minister will probably act in the next couple of weeks as Johnson is going to pass the EU treaty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    They can push it all they like. The Queen is too revered and feared and she will stop it. The last referendum had 55% against and the numbers haven't changed.

    Definitely keep an eye on it though. The first minister will probably act in the next couple of weeks as Johnson is going to pass the EU treaty.
    The queen may not be around much longer.

    And I'm sure the situation was similar in the colonies not too many years before the revolution.

    Things could go either way but we are closer to seeing Scotland break away than we have been for a long time.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The queen may not be around much longer.

    And I'm sure the situation was similar in the colonies not too many years before the revolution.

    Things could go either way but we are closer to seeing Scotland break away than we have been for a long time.
    The Queen's mother died aged 100. The Queen is 93.

    I'm not worried about Scotland. Indpendence makes no sense. Their biggest market and economy depends on England.



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    Scotland will vote no. They don't have the money.

    It was like the idea of the Labour party winning, on the manifesto of too many fancy ideas that wasn't realistic. The labour party has too many ideological groups, only a centre left party with moderate welfare policies will work.

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    First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said her government in Edinburgh is looking at all options for an independence referendum, which the U.K. government is refusing to sanction. They include asking the courts to ascertain whether the Scottish Parliament already has the power to hold a consultative vote.

    However, the Scottish National Party leader said the turmoil in Catalonia, which held an illegal vote on leaving Spain in 2017, showed why Scotland needed an independence vote that was legally watertight. Until then, she will focus on building support for independence.
    “For me to pretend that there are shortcuts or clever wheezes that can magically overcome the obstacles we face would be to do the independence cause a disservice,” Sturgeon said in a speech on Friday. Routes toward a referendum are “constantly under review,” she said.

    The EU’s royal blue flag with yellow stars, meanwhile, will continue flying at the entrance of the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh. The legislature, dominated by Sturgeon’s pro-independence Scottish National Party, voted again this week to try and force another vote on breaking away from the rest of the U.K. and ultimately rejoining the continent’s single market.


    In Edinburgh, which voted to remain in the EU more than any other British city, demonstrators are due to gather outside the parliament later today to lament the end of the U.K.’s 47 years of EU membership. The event, called “Missing EU Already,” will culminate with a candle-lit vigil.
    The Scottish Government said two of its main buildings, St Andrew’s House in Edinburgh and Victoria Quay in Glasgow, will be lit in the blue and yellow colors of the European flag on Friday.
    Scots voted 55% to 45% to stay in the union with England and Wales in part because the U.K. was an EU member. Polls suggest the country is still split and the result of any new vote would be too close to call. A YouGov Plc survey of 1,039 voters age 16 or over published on Thursday found 51% to 49% in favor of independence.
    Sturgeon says Brexit means Scotland should be allowed to vote again. At last month’s election that handed Johnson the power to push through Brexit, the SNP won 48 of Scotland’s 59 districts on a platform of demanding a fresh decision on independence.
    But it took less than an hour after Wednesday’s vote in the Scottish Parliament for another referendum for the result to be rejected by Secretary of State for Scotland, Alister Jack. He repeated the U.K. government’s argument that the 2014 vote was a “once-in-a-generation” opportunity. The ruling Conservatives also said it was a “day of embarrassment” for the Scottish Parliament to debate whether to keep the EU flag flying.


    There’s also a growing dispute over immigration and the future of foreign nationals living in the U.K. The Edinburgh-based government earlier this week put forward plans for a special Scottish visa designed to encourage people to move to the country, which is at risk of a labor shortage.

    Sturgeon’s semi-autonomous administration, though, isn’t responsible for Scotland’s immigration policy and the proposal was rejected outright by the U.K. government.

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/scotland-keep...050000949.html
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    Make Scotland part of EU. Brilliant!



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