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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    You're still maintaining the narrative that Chinese pays the tariffs? LOL indeed. Tariffs are a cover story for dollar devaluation, imported goods costing more, that's all.
    China either pays the tariffs or loses the sales.
    Either way they lose dollars they desperately need to pay their gigantic dollar denominated debt.
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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Also important to note that the rate of inflation has also significantly declined since the 1980s. Lower inflation means lower interest rates.

    hey troll. how about you stop destroying our conspiracy theory that hyperinflation is coming any day now? we need to sell gold or else my kids will be homeless.

  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I think we're saying the same thing in different ways.

    The fundamental economic problem is that the state's policies are diverting increasingly large quantities of resources toward relatively unproductive (if not actually consumptive) enterprises (e.g. "zombie companies"). Since the state finances these redistributions through inflation (because of political limits to conventional taxation), the end result will be inflationary. Barring a radical political change that would curb the growth of the state's economic interventions, we're going to experience declining economic growth and rising inflation. We should expect a repeat of the 1970s, except this time there will be no Volcker on a white horse. The misallocations are much worse now than they were c. 1980, and the liquidation required to correct them would be so painful that a Volcker-esque policy is politically impossible. I don't see any plausible argument for any outcome other than massive devaluation. That doesn't mean that there can't be a traditional, deflationary recession at some point (or several points) over the course of this future, because the Fed isn't always able to predict exactly when and how much it needs to print to prevent one, but they aren't going to allow the kind of cleansing liquidation that's necessary to fix the system. If they launched nearly half a trillion not-QE QE during relatively good times, imagine what they're going to do if/when GDP actually goes negative one quarter. Draghi's "whatever it takes" wasn't hyperbole.

    P.S. If you look at a chart of the federal funds rate, note how there have been lower highs and lower lows each cycle since c. 1980. In a way, that tells the whole story. There's lot of talk by central bankers and mainstream economists about the zero bound and unconventional monetary policy, even leaking into the popular press, but the silence as to why we're at this point, or what it really means, is deafening. They treat it like some kind of technical difficulty solvable by tweaking the XYZ lending facility, when actually it represents the terminal crisis of this monetary system.
    I think it was at the last Fed meeting at Jackson Hole I saw this interview with a guy from India. The interviewer asked him something like: "Why can't you just lower rates (in India) to promote growth?" He replied: "We're not like you, we have to worry about inflation."

    It's like we're in this fantasy world where the laws of economics have been suspended. But it can't last forever.

  5. #94
    Now China has caught a little cold that threatens the dollar trade recycling scheme...

    hmm....
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  6. #95
    Tesla going parabolic, in conjunction with Fed repo cash injections directly into the Wall St. banking sector. ~100B today.

    Total coincidence I'm sure. Equity markets are most certainly not tracking Fed repo operations.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/li...rt-repo-crisis
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

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    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

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  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Tesla going parabolic, in conjunction with Fed repo cash injections directly into the Wall St. banking sector. ~100B today.

    Total coincidence I'm sure. Equity markets are most certainly not tracking Fed repo operations.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/li...rt-repo-crisis
    Fed started putting money into the repo markets in September. Did Tesla stocks soar then? Has the stock market in general soared? Or just specific stocks?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-04-2020 at 02:22 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We would be much better off if Republicans had had the instincts to be immigration hawks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Tesla going parabolic, in conjunction with Fed repo cash injections directly into the Wall St. banking sector. ~100B today.

    Total coincidence I'm sure. Equity markets are most certainly not tracking Fed repo operations.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/li...rt-repo-crisis
    Ominously, the massive demand for term repo today means that the liquidity crisis that continues to percolate just below the surface of the market and has clogged up the critical plumbing within the US financial system, is getting worse, not better, and today's massive oversubscription indicates that one or more entities continues to face a dire shortage of reserves, i.e., cash. As for what they are doing with that cash, one look at Tesla this morning may provide an answer.
    And Tesla had a drop at the end of the day. Sounds like some boys on Wall St. are day trading with no interest Fed loans. Nothing to see here, move along.

    Moral hazard and malinvestment, as Ron Paul would say.
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  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Fed started putting money into the repo markets in September. Did Tesla stocks soar then? Has the stock market in general soared? Or just specific stocks?
    "Agenda 2030" stocks sure have and continue to. If it's a stock related to Agenda 2030 goals, it has as much Fed cash as it needs to continue operations. Obviously Musk has known that Tesla will not be allowed to fail as an Agenda 2030 company, hence his constant mocking of shorts and blatant disregard for securities law.
    Last edited by devil21; 02-04-2020 at 11:33 PM.
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    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

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  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    "Agenda 2030" stocks sure have and continue to. If it's a stock related to Agenda 2030 goals, it has as much Fed cash as it needs to continue operations. Obviously Musk has known that Tesla will not be allowed to fail as an Agenda 2030 company, hence his constant mocking of shorts and blatant disregard for securities law.
    How have other "Agenda 2030" stocks performed? Have they also been soaring since September?

    it has as much Fed cash as it needs to continue operations.
    How much money has the Fed given to Tesla? Other Agenda 2030 companies?

    (Rising stock prices don't give any new money to a company- they got their money when they sold shares. It is the share holders who benefit from the rising stock prices- not the company- unless they own their own shares and even then they would not realize any of those gains unless they sold their stock).
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-05-2020 at 01:30 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We would be much better off if Republicans had had the instincts to be immigration hawks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
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  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    How have other "Agenda 2030" stocks performed? Have they also been soaring since September?
    Pretty much all the spy tech stocks, autonomous car stocks, food delivery stocks, rent-a-thingie stocks, streaming propaganda social engineering tv stocks. They're all under the umbrella of Agenda 2030 stocks. They've all done well since the PPT was turned on in Jan 19 and have continued to do well. Record NASDAQ and SP500 today, no? They're all for conditioning people to a reduced standard of living in Gaza-like controlled movement cities. Living in jail cells without even realizing it...

    How much money has the Fed given to Tesla? Other Agenda 2030 companies?
    Who knows. The Fed open market operations aren't audited and what is audited is a rubber stamp. Remember how we needed an act of Congress to find out about the trillions doled out in secret?

    (Rising stock prices don't give any new money to a company- they got their money when they sold shares. It is the share holders who benefit from the rising stock prices- not the company- unless they own their own shares and even then they would not realize any of those gains unless they sold their stock).
    Gee, I'm glad to know that. There haven't been giant routine buyback programs going on for the last 10 years or anything like that, has there?
    Then there's stock as collateral for debt raising so yes rising valuations do (or at least can) give new money to a company. The higher the stock value, the better the collateral it is, the more debt the company can secure to keep the lights on even when they're otherwise a money losing zombie corp. As long as the Fed keeps pumping new cash into Wall St, the stock market is artificially held up, valuations are artificially held up, which allows Agenda 2030 companies to finish their social and physical engineering projects. That is, until the curtain is pulled back and we find out they're mostly just institutionally supported Enrons. Book cooking, money laundering operations is what the markets have become.

    Tell us again Zip how repo was only overnight and only for a few days, won't you please?
    Last edited by devil21; 02-05-2020 at 04:58 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

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  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I went ahead and played some Goszilla live today anyway .
    Saw B.O.C. play Godzilla live back in the day.
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  14. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Saw B.O.C. play Godzilla live back in the day.
    I think I have seen them at least three times . Great music .
    Do something Danke

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