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                                                     "Jerrold Nadler"
                                                     ..............................
                                                     (Original Signature of Member)
    
    
    116TH CONGRESS
    1ST SESSION
    
    
                                                     H. RES. _________________
    
    
    Impeaching Donald John Trump, President of the United States, for high
    crimes and misdemeanors.
    
    
    ____________________________________________________
    
    
    
    
                IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
    
    
    Mr. NADLER submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the
    Committee on _________________
    
    
    ____________________________________________________
    
    
    
                RESOLUTION
    
    
    Impeaching Donald John Trump, President of the United
    States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.
    
        Resolved, That Donald J. Trump, President of the
    United States, is impeached for high crimes and mis-
    demeanors and that the following articles of impeachment
    be exhibited to the United States Senate:
    
        Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of
    Representatives of the United States of America in the
    name of itself and of the people of the United States of
    America, against Donald J. Trump, President of the
    United States of America, in maintenance and support of
    
    
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    its impeachment against him for high crimes and mis-
    demeanors.
    
    
    
    ARTICLE I: ABUSE OF POWER
    
        The Constitution provides that the House of Rep-
    resentatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment"
    and that the President "shall be removed from Office on
    Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or
    other high Crimes and Misdemeanors". In his conduct of
    the office of President of the United States--and in viola-
    tion of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the of-
    fice of President of the United States and, to the best of
    his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution
    of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional
    duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed--
    Donald J. Trump has abused the powers of the Presi-
    dency, in that:
    
        Using the powers of his high office, President Trump
    Solicited the interference of a foreign government,
    Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.
    He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that
    included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly
    announce investigations that would benefit his reelection,
    harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and
    infuence the 2020 United States Presidential election to
    his advantage. President Trump also sought to pressure
    the Government of Ukraine to take these steps by condi-
    
    
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    tioning official United States Government acts of signifi-
    cant value to Ukraine on its public announcement of the
    investigations. President Trump engaged in this scheme
    or course of conduct for corrupt purposes in pursuit of
    personal political benefit. In so doing, President Trump
    used the powers of the Presidency in a manner that com-
    promised the national security of the United States and
    undermined the integrity of the United States democratic
    process. He thus ignored and injured the interests of the
    Nation.
    
    President Trump engaged in this scheme or course
    of conduct through the following means:
    
    1) President Trump--acting both directly and
    through his agents within and outside the United
    States Government--corruptly solicited the Govern-
    ment of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations
    into--
    
            (A) a political opponent, former Vice Presi-
        dent Joseph R. Biden, Jr.; and
    
            (B) a discredited theory promoted by Rus-
        sia alleging that Ukraine--rather than Rus-
        sia--interfered in the 2016 United States Pres-
        idential election.
    
        (2) With the same corrupt motives, President
    Trump--acting both directly and through his agents
    
    
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    Within and outside the United States Government--
    conditioned two official acts on the public announce-
    ments that he had requested--
    
            (A) the release of $391 million of United
            States taxpayer funds that Congress had appro-
            priated on a bipartisan basis for the purpose of
            providing vital military and security assistance
            to Ukraine to oppose Russian aggression and
            which President Trump had ordered suspended;
            and
    
            (B) a head of state meeting at the White
            House, which the President of Ukraine sought
            to demonstrate continued United States support
            for the Government of Ukraine in the face of
            Russian aggression.
    
            (3) Faced with the public revelation of his ac-
        tions, President Trump ultimately released the mili-
        tary and security assistance to the Government of
        Ukraine, but has persisted in openly and corruptly
        urging and soliciting Ukraine to undertake investiga-
        tions for his personal political benefit.
    
    These actions were consistent with President
    Trump's previous invitations of foreign interference in
    United States elections.
    
    
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        In all of this, President Trump abused the powers
    of the Presidency by ignoring and injuring national secu-
    rity and other vital national interests to obtain an im-
    proper personal political benefit. He has also betrayed the
    Nation by abusing his high office to enlist a foreign power
    in corrupting democratic elections.
    
        Wherefore President Trump, by such conduct, has
    demonstrated that he will remain a threat to national se-
    curity and the Constitution if allowed to remain in office,
    and has acted in a manner grossly incompatible with self-
    governance and the rule of law. President Trump thus
    warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and
    disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor,
    trust, or profit under the United States.
    
    
    
    ARTICLE II: OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS
    
        The Constitution provides that the House of Rep-
    resentatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment"
    and that the President "shall be removed from Office on
    Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or
    other high Crimes and Misdemeanors". In his conduct of
    the office of President of the United States--and in viola-
    tion of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the of-
    fice of President of the United States and, to the best of
    his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution
    of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional
    duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed--
    
    
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    Donald J. Trump has directed the unprecedented, categor-
    ical, and indiscriminate defiance of subpoenas issued by
    the House of Representatives pursuant to its "sole Power
    of Impeachment". President Trump has abused the pow-
    ers of the Presidency in a manner offensive to, and subver-
    sive of, the Constitution, in that:
    
        The House of Representatives has engaged in an im-
    peachment inquiry focused on President Trump's corrupt
    solicitation of the Government of Ukraine to interfere in
    the 2020 United States Presidential election. As part of
    this impeachment inquiry, the Committees undertaking
    the investigation served subpoenas seeking documents and
    testimony deemed vital to the inquiry from various Execu-
    tive Branch agencies and offices, and current and former
    officials.
    
        In response, without lawful cause or excuse, Presi-
    dent Trump directed Executive Branch agencies, offices,
    and officials not to comply with those subpoenas. Presi-
    dent Trump thus interposed the powers of the Presidency
    against the lawful subpoenas of the House of Representa-
    tives, and assumed to himself functions and judgments
    necessary to the exercise of the "sole Power of Impeach-
    ment" vested by the Constitution in the House of Rep-
    resentatives.
    
    
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    President Trump abused the powers of his high office
    through the following means:
    
            (1) Directing the White House to defy a lawful
        subpoena by withholding the production of docu-
        ments sought therein by the Committees.
    
            (2) Directing other Executive Branch agencies
        and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold
        the production of documents and records from the
        Committees--in response to which the Department
        of State, Office of Management and Budget, Depart-
        ment of Energy, and Department of Defense refused
        to produce a single document or record.
    
            (3) Directing current and former Executive
        Branch officials not to cooperate with the Commit-
        tees--in response to which nine Administration offi-
        cials defied subpoenas for testimony, namely John
        Michael "Mick" Mulvaney, Robert B. Blair, John A.
        Eisenberg, Michael Ellis, Preston Wells Griffith,
        Russell T. Vought, Michael Duffey, Brian McCor-
        mack, and T. Ulrich Brechbuhl.
    
        These actions were consistent with President
    Trump's previous efforts to undermine United States Gov-
    ernment investigations into foreign interference in United
    States elections.
    
    
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        Through these actions, President Trump sought to
    arrogate to himself the right to determine the propriety,
    scope, and nature of an impeachment inquiry into his own
    conduct, as well as the unilateral prerogative to deny any
    and all information to the House of Representatives in the
    exercise of its "sole Power of Impeachment". In the his-
    tory of the Republic, no President has ever ordered the
    complete defiance of an impeachment inquiry or sought
    to obstruct and impede so comprehensively the ability of
    the House of Representatives to investigate "high Crimes
    and Misdemeanors". This abuse of office served to cover
    up the President's own repeated misconduct and to seize
    and control the power of impeachment and thus to nul-
    lify a vital constitutional safeguard vested solely in the
    House of Representatives.
    
        In all of this, President Trump has acted in a manner
    contrary to his trust as President and subversive of con-
    stitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause
    of law and justice, and to the manifest injury of the people
    of the United States.
    
        Wherefore, President Trump, by such conduct, has
    demonstrated that he will remain a threat to the Constitu-
    tion if allowed to remain in office, and has acted in a man-
    ner grossly incompatible with self-governance and the rule
    of law. President Trump thus warrants impeachment and
    
    
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    trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and
    enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United
    States.
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    Last edited by presence; 12-10-2019 at 12:50 PM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...




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    What a bunch of horse $#@!, you are buying it are you presence?

    Have you seen this video? This is what triggered Trump to investigate Biden.. Biden admits on video to getting a Ukrainian prosecutor fired by threatening to withhold a $1 billion loan. Turns out the prosecutor was investigating his son Hunter Biden's natural gas company Burisma for corruption. Hunter received over $3 million in payments from Burisma.

    Last edited by dannno; 12-10-2019 at 12:39 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  4. #3
    Don't need to read the whole thing to realize its a bunch of bull$#@!.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  5. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What a bunch of horse $#@!, you are buying it are you presence?

    Have you seen this video? This is what triggered Trump to investigate Biden.. Biden admits on video to getting a Ukrainian prosecutor fired by threatening to withhold a $1 billion loan. Turns out the prosecutor was investigating his son Hunter Biden's natural gas company Burisma for corruption. Hunter received over $3 million in payments from Burisma.

    Clearly fake news from Russia! /s

  6. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What a bunch of horse $#@!, you are buying it are you presence?
    danno, I'm a free market anarchist: Political power - in and of itself - is "a bunch of horse $#@!" from the agorist perch I find myself upon.

    It would seem to me however... should we give any credence to these institutions:

    1) POTUS should have investigated the issue domestically - and transparently - through DOJ, which he heads.

    2) POTUS should have complied with Congress' "power to impeach" when asked to do so.

    The reality however. It was a swamp when he got there... this notion, with POTUS, I duly agree.
    However, it is no less a swamp with him present; perhaps now moreso.

    As I see it... the Senate now has an ugly choice.

    Is it legit or not legit premise for future POTUS to:

    1) ask a foreign gov't to investigate a US citizen
    2) even if that citizen was your chief political rival in an upcoming federal election
    3) is it also proper and true to make the transfer of resources from our nation to theirs contingent upon such

    finally of course,

    4) refuse to cooperate and order subordinates not to cooperate with congress when impeached

    troubling at the least

    perhaps if we all just voted a bit harder this mess would simply resolve itself?


    *eats popcorn*


    ps...

    re: Bursima fiasco

    Is that not the only true purpose of political power? To pass state resources to your friends.

    I don't really see much too far out of the line of normal to be frank.
    Last edited by presence; 12-10-2019 at 01:19 PM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  7. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    danno, I'm a free market anarchist: Political power - in and of itself - is "a bunch of horse $#@!" from the agorist perch I find myself upon.

    It would seem to me however... should we give any credence to these institutions:

    1) POTUS should have investigated the issue domestically - and transparently - through DOJ, which he heads.

    2) POTUS should have complied with Congress' "power to impeach" when asked to do so.


    The reality however. It was a swamp when he got there... this notion, with POTUS, I duly agree. However it is no less a swamp with him present; perhaps now moreso.

    As I see it... the Senate now has an ugly choice.

    Is it legit or not legit premise for future potus to:

    1) ask a foreign gov't - as potus - to investigate a US citizen
    2) even if that citizen was your chief political rival in an upcoming federal election
    3) is it also proper and true to make the transfer of resources from our nation to theirs contingent upon such
    4) finally of course, can potus refuse to cooperate and order subordinates not to cooperate with congress when impeached

    troubling at the least

    perhaps if we all just voted a bit harder this mess would simply resolve itself?


    *eats popcorn*

    Wow, you have really been propagandized hard by the left on this issue. I'm an anarchist too, but I can see the deep state, which wants power more than anybody.. is the enemy to Trump, and Trump is trying to ruin their whole parade like a bull in a china shop. First rule of anarchy club. Don't stop the bull in the china shop, when the china shop is the government.

    Second of all.. YES.. The President SHOULD have asked the Ukraine to investigate corruption that occurred in Ukraine. 100% without question.

    The President has authority to do so under this treaty signed by Bill Clinton:



    It doesn't matter if the person in question is a political candidate, in fact, it is even MORE important to investigate some Joe running for President than it is to investigate some average Joe... why the hell are you just running with these talking points without thinking them through?? Especially considering Joe Biden hasn't won yet. They haven't had the primaries yet. This is the time to vet Joe Biden, before he is the Democrat candidate.

    I would consider possible impeachment for Trump had he waited on this and not done anything before the primary even though he knew it was a big issue. The fact that he ran with it as soon as he found out (shortly after that video I posted was leaked) means that he did the RIGHT thing, and did everything in his power to allow Democrats to properly vet their candidate.

    Third of all.. there was no quid pro quo. I don't know if you have been following primarily leftist media or what, but all that has been completely debunked. Trump was asked if the aid was dependent on Ukraine doing anything, and Trump said no, there was no quid pro quo. Then, when the aid was released, it turns out Ukraine hadn't done anything with regards to announcing an investigation. There was never a quid pro quo, it can never be proven in court. The President of Ukraine has made statements backing this up as well. There are plenty of videos of Jim Jordan and others clearly explaining why this is the case.

    Not that it matters, I think the President has every right to negotiate with other countries by withholding aid. I see nothing wrong with it at all. That is why we elect them. To negotiate. Using leverage. Why would you want to take away leverage from the President to negotiate??

    Especially since, I don't know if you watched the video I posted.. but Joe Biden DID run a $1 billion quid pro quo on Ukraine, to get a prosecutor fired, who was investigating corruption of his son's company. You want to impeach Trump, who was investigating ACTUAL political corruption, so that the guy who was corrupt can be President???

    TDS causes people to not think clearly, I think you are coming down with, at minimum, a mild case of TDS.
    Last edited by dannno; 12-10-2019 at 01:32 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  8. #7
    This a coup against President Trump!

  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    and Trump said no, there was no quid pro quo.
    lol I have funny joke for you

    potus gets pulled over for a dui... while plenty $#@!faced he declares, "no officer I have not been drinking tonight; I'm stone cold sober"

    therefore - clearly - he's not drunk!


    In legal parlance...

    "a false exculpatory statement only further substantiates consciousness of guilt"

    In many ways, false exculpatory statements are stronger indicators of guilt than a confession.
    https://www.relentlessdefense.com/ri...ory-statement/

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...




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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    lol I have funny joke for you

    potus gets pulled over for a dui... while plenty $#@!faced he declares, "no officer I have not been drinking tonight; I'm stone cold sober"

    therefore - clearly - he's not drunk!


    In legal parlance...

    "a false exculpatory statement only further substantiates consciousness of guilt"


    https://www.relentlessdefense.com/ri...ory-statement/
    Uh, no that's a horrible argument. The guy who was negotiating with Ukraine asked what the President wanted, he said he didn't want anything, there was no quid pro quo. The other guy and some other people imagined it was there, but it never existed, and there is no proof it exists. In fact there is proof it didn't exist because what allegedly was wanted, the quid, was never delivered, but the aid, the quo was delivered.

    Trump blew a .00 BAC from the beginning, to the end.

    You also apparently didn't read the rest of my post, I highly recommend going back and reviewing it. I said even if he did do what the Democrats accuse him of, if there was a quid pro quo, there is NOTHING wrong with that, at all, and I explain why.

    You are just proving more and more how badly TDS affects the ability to think clearly.
    Last edited by dannno; 12-10-2019 at 02:05 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  12. #10
    If you are insist on being indoctrinated by leftists, at least listen to Jimmy Dore..









    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  13. #11
    Unrelated, but shows credibility:






    Probably funny and good for those with leftist media aggrevated TDS:

    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wow, you have really been propagandized hard by the left on this issue. I'm an anarchist too, .
    Lol. No you're not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.





    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect - Mark Twain

  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Lol. No you're not.
    Yes, I am.

    An anarchist is allowed to have preferences outside of anarchy.

    An anarchist is ALLOWED to prefer minarchy to communism. I would argue that all anarchists should prefer minarchy to communism, but I will leave it up to the individual anarchists.. which is part of what makes me more of an anarchist than you. You apparently think all anarchists should be the same and think the same or they aren't anarchists. That is ludicrous.
    Last edited by dannno; 12-10-2019 at 02:26 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  16. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Lol. No you're not.

    I know, right?

    Bizarro anarchist maybe.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You also apparently didn't read the rest of my post, I highly recommend going back and reviewing it.

    dannno, I read your post.


    in the end, the level of corruption endemic to the system will not ebb with the outcome of this impeachment


    I am a student of history, however... and to that end I've also read well over 1500 pages of sworn deposition transcripts on scribd


    have you?




    yes hunter was quid pro quo - it was, however, all "legal and proper"
    yes trump was quid pro quo - I'm sure "legal and proper" as well




    there was quid pro quo, there is still quid pro quo, there will always be quid pro quo




    "clinton cash" etal is the inherent nature of state power; no matter how its skewed it can always be "legal and proper" if you have the right friends


    Its the same reason the ditch in front of my house gets deeper each year and the guy across the street who is political friends with the excavator operator gets an annual town funded improvement to the scope of his parking lot.


    Why would you want to take away leverage from the President to negotiate??

    *snort*


    I shake my head, bite my lip, and manage a smirk is all I can say.

    Perhaps refer to the opener of my first response?

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  18. #16
    They just delivered Trump 2020. Lol.



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  20. #17
    I'm tired of these autocratic, dictatorial anarchists who say that other people aren't allowed to prefer a 10% income tax to a 90% income tax and still call themselves anarchists.

    I think anarchy is the only truly moral system of government.

    I also think that a 90% income tax is more immoral than a 10% income tax, therefore I prefer a 10% income tax to a 90% income tax even though it is still sub-optimal.

    I prefer weed being legal to weed being illegal, even if other drugs are still illegal (they should all be legal).

    The more the government lets us keep our money, the more freedoms we enjoy, the better. That is my opinion.

    It may not be optimal, but I think it is far better to live in a relatively free society with a small government than communism.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    I know, right?

    Bizarro anarchist maybe.
    Are you another autocratic, dictatorial anarchist?

    You think that even though I think anarchy is optimal, I cannot have a preference to live under a government with a 2% tax, compared to living under a government with a 90% tax?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    They just delivered Trump 2020. Lol.
    Yep, that's what all these folks with TDS are going to have to learn the hard way.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    yes hunter was quid pro quo - it was, however, all "legal and proper"
    It is legal and proper to use a $1 billion loan guarantee from the United States government to fire a prosecutor who is investigating your son's company for corruption?? Your son who received over $3 million in payments from them to be on their board as a legal adviser??

    Are you seriously that $#@!ing insane? Really? Try explaining this to somebody who doesn't know anything about it, and record yourself, then listen back and listen to how insane you sound saying that $#@!. Seriously.


    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    yes trump was quid pro quo - I'm sure "legal and proper" as well
    Uh, ya, if there was a quid pro quo it would have been ok because Trump was investigating corruption, he was doing his job as President. This investigation is EXACTLY what he should have done as President. No question he did exactly what was right from a moral standpoint and a political standpoint.



    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    there was quid pro quo, there is still quid pro quo, there will always be quid pro quo
    Bull$#@!, where is your proof?? The President of Ukraine says there was no quid pro quo, the quid was delivered, the quo was never delivered. Neither were ever discussed together, there was never any linkage. There was no quid pro quo. You need quid and quo for quid pro quo. Do you even understand what the phrase means??
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Are you another autocratic, dictatorial anarchist?

    autocratic, dictatorial anarchist pop quiz:

    What was the federal deficit this year under the watchful management of our current dear leader?


    Yep, that's what all these folks with TDS are going to have to learn the hard way.
    Last edited by presence; 12-10-2019 at 02:51 PM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    autocratic, dictatorial anarchist pop quiz:

    What was the federal deficit this year under the watchful management of our current dear leader?

    I know you are a trader, do you understand the concept of longterm vs short term gains?

    Who cares what the budget is this year if the result is that we arrest all of the deep state pedophiles and put them in prison?

    If you don't arrest and put the deep state pedophiles in prison, then they are just going to win the next election and work to make our government more communist.

    This is what I'm talking about with preferences. Anarchists should prefer arresting all of the deep state pedophiles to some imaginary option that doesn't exist, like lowering the deficit while the deep state pedophiles are still in power.

    Once they are out of power, then let's talk about how to fix this mess they created. Until then, focus primarily on removing them from power.

    Or, you can take their side and help stop it from happening. Then you won't get your short term gains or your longterm gains. What good is that?
    Last edited by dannno; 12-10-2019 at 02:56 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Yes, I am.

    An anarchist is allowed to have preferences outside of anarchy.

    An anarchist is ALLOWED to prefer minarchy to communism. I would argue that all anarchists should prefer minarchy to communism, but I will leave it up to the individual anarchists.. which is part of what makes me more of an anarchist than you. You apparently think all anarchists should be the same and think the same or they aren't anarchists. That is ludicrous.
    I'm not an anarchist either. I am a hypocrite though. I am a slave to the system and unfortunately I could never put into action something I discovered too late in life.

    But I do frequent alot and read alot of anarchist sites and philosophy boards and I can't find not a one that talks like you do and defends Trumptard as much as you do.

    Dont' take my word for it. Why don't you head on over to the Voluntaryist Facebook page and spout some of that nonsense and see how they respond. I'm gonna wager they will laugh you out of the place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.





    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect - Mark Twain

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Do you even understand what the phrase means??
    roughly translated?

    לֹא-תַטֶּה מִשְׁפָּט, לֹא תַכִּיר פָּנִים; וְלֹא-תִקַּח שֹׁחַד--כִּי הַשֹּׁחַד יְעַוֵּר עֵינֵי חֲכָמִים, וִיסַלֵּף דִּבְרֵי צַדִּיקִם.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...




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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    I'm not an anarchist either. I am a hypocrite though. I am a slave to the system and unfortunately I could never put into action something I discovered too late in life.

    But I do frequent alot and read alot of anarchist sites and philosophy boards and I can't find not a one that talks like you do and defends Trumptard as much as you do.

    Dont' take my word for it. Why don't you head on over to the Voluntaryist Facebook page and spout some of that nonsense and see how they respond. I'm gonna wager they will laugh you out of the place.
    I. Don't. Care.

    You see, I think for myself.

    I know what I believe.

    My actions are based on what I believe will lead to the best possible outcome.

    Government force, at any level, is immoral. But more government force is more immoral than less government force. It's really that simple.

    A 10% tax is less immoral than a 90% tax. Stealing a $1 knick-knack off your lawn is less immoral than stealing your life savings in gold. Both are immoral, but one is measurably less so.

    Just because I prefer somebody steal a $1 knick-knack off my lawn than all my life savings in gold, does not mean I favor theft.
    Last edited by dannno; 12-10-2019 at 03:30 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    roughly translated?

    לֹא-תַטֶּה מִשְׁפָּט, לֹא תַכִּיר פָּנִים; וְלֹא-תִקַּח שֹׁחַד--כִּי הַשֹּׁחַד יְעַוֵּר עֵינֵי חֲכָמִים, וִיסַלֵּף דִּבְרֵי צַדִּיקִם.

    Ok, so you know there are two parts to quid pro quo? Then you should also know neither part ever existed. Trump never said he would give them aid if they opened the investigation. The Ukrainian President agrees that never occurred. No evidence on the planet shows it occurred.

    The investigation was not announced, yet they got the aid, which means even if it was a subtle thing that was not discussed, it still didn't exist.

    This should be really $#@!ing simple.

    Additionally, it doesn't matter that the left is wrong, because a quid pro quo WOULD HAVE been totally appropriate in this case, even though it never happened.
    Last edited by dannno; 12-10-2019 at 03:26 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    I know, right?

    Bizarro anarchist maybe.
    Hey. If someone identifies as an anarchist, zse is an anarchist.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

  32. #28
    All I know is that everybody I am arguing with in this thread fell for the Russiagate hoax nonsense.

    When you lose credibility like that, you can't just come around pretending you have any. You have to prove it. You have to repent and atone. Justify why we should be listening to you after falling for a big stinking pile of statist garbage like that.

    THEN.. you can try and explain why this bigger stinking pile of statist garbage smells so good to you.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    All I know is that everybody I am arguing with in this thread fell for the Russiagate hoax nonsense.

    When you lose credibility like that, you can't just come around pretending you have any. You have to prove it. You have to repent and atone. Justify why we should be listening to you after falling for a big stinking pile of statist garbage like that.

    THEN.. you can try and explain why this bigger stinking pile of statist garbage smells so good to you.
    TDS has no cure and is progressive.

    And some people may never have been in favor of the rule of law, the Constitution or even liberty, they may have always been here as agents of the deepstate.
    The beautiful thing about Trump is that he is making the cabal expose all of its agents by making them defend tyranny openly as a "good" thing.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Anarchists should prefer arresting all of the deep state pedophiles
    I would just like to point out, I was not the one who brought deep state pedophiles into this conversation.


    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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