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Thread: Former employee, Josh Owens, throws Alex Jones under the bus in NYT Mag.

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Are they dumping him? Or are they loudly and publicly persecuting him to give him back some street cred, and rehabilitate him as controlled oppo?
    They have dumped him, the deposition for his divorce, the lawsuit from sandy hook, him recanting his previous belief in 9/11 etc etc has crashed whatever was left of his credibility. Also, he is an older man now, most likely he needs a well deserved break from it all. They will find another conman to take his place
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I bet you won't be saying this if he was reporting about the "savagery" of the NY injuns. I am sure there is something negative to report about NY muslims, he didn't have to make shyte up.
    I think all the really good and savage ny Indians left when my family did in the 1700's
    Do something Danke



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  5. #33
    This rings just as hollow as when a life-long parasite congressman retires and then gives an interview to whine about how corrupt and "broken" DC is.
    I can guarantee with 100% certainty Ron Paul is in favor of whatever you want to call slave labor...... He is in favor of sweat shops (as are 100% of free market economists). Krugminator2

    "Every post is about Hillary and pedophilia. I love them both soooo much!!!!!!!" Zippyjuan

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I remember Alex Jones burring Debra Medina when she would not commit political suicide by saying that she believed in 9/11 conspiracy and then when he interviews Trump, all he did was lob softballs at him left and right. The man is controlled opposition and he has always been that way, TPTB just put him into overdrive this time around to sell Trump to the alternative media crowd.
    Debra Medina shot herself in the foot. The first GB interview was okay but Beck smeared her. Then she came back on Beck, she should have stayed away the same way Rand Paul avoided Rachel Maddow and she smeared him, and let Beck maneuver her into calling some of her own supporters despicable. I don't think Alex Jones handled the aftermath right, but he didn't immediately attack her. The 9/11 truther community was in general hopping mad with Medina for several days before Jones said anything. Medina did later come back and try to fix things up by saying that something was wrong with her earpiece and she didn't understand what she was agreeing to but by then the damages was done and she seemed disloyal.

    In contrast, Trumps one quality is loyalty and an appreciation for loyalty. After Charlottesville he wasn't even willing to be disloyal to alt-right thugs. Steve Bannon called them all "clowns" and threw them under the bus. But Trump's approach was to at first say "There good people on both sides" and only condemned the violence after being called out on it from others.

    Also in many ways Trump is the truther dream president. He's come further than any major U.S. politician to question 9/11. The one uniting principle of 9/11 truth is that the U.S. government could have stopped 9/11 but didn't. The wars, the Patriot Act, the DHS, the TSA and other abuses all stem from the believe that the U.S. government didn't have the tools to stop 9/11. When Trump told Jeb Bush "Your brother didn't protect us on 9/11" that was a watershed moment. I fully expected Trump to lose after that. Instead he gained momentum. Yes in many ways Trump is a terrible president and Alex Jones has carried his water. Infowars.com was virtually silent of the face scanning camera and airports issue. I know because I checked....multiple times. Now that Trump has (reportedly) rolled that back they are praising him for doing that and I guess that's at least worth something. But had that been a president Hillary Clinton, Alex Jones would have been screaming from the top of the Washington Monument that the face scanning cameras needed to come down.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Working Poor View Post
    I really don't like AJ but I do defend his right to free speech. He has reported a few truths. I go to his site sometimes to see if he is reporting on something I am interested in but, even so I usually can't listen for much longer than a few minutes because I get over saturated with his rambling BS. I do buy the iodine he sells.
    When I first joined the forum no one was an AJ fan & very few believed him. When Trump came into the scene suddenly people were supporting AJ- never could figure that out.
    There is no spoon.

  8. #36
    The Infowars brand toothpaste is pretty good.

    It is fluoride free and is made by Tom's.

    If you buy it on sale, it is cheaper than you can buy Tom's.

    Can someone tell us how his dick pills work?

    Danke?
    I can guarantee with 100% certainty Ron Paul is in favor of whatever you want to call slave labor...... He is in favor of sweat shops (as are 100% of free market economists). Krugminator2

    "Every post is about Hillary and pedophilia. I love them both soooo much!!!!!!!" Zippyjuan

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    The Infowars brand toothpaste is pretty good.

    It is fluoride free and is made by Tom's.

    If you buy it on sale, it is cheaper than you can buy Tom's.

    Can someone tell us how his dick pills work?

    Danke?
    lol

  10. #38
    I used to like and appreciate AJ, many years ago. I'm talking when he was doing his videos on the police state and, later, Obama. I don't like hyperbole, though, and he got more and more out there with it. It destroys credibility. Then the whole Zionist thing, I believe, had merit. Both Islam and ZOG are huge threats to the country but he would never touch ZOG and even tried to claim Hollywood was controlled by Arabs. Bitch, please. I've sort of followed his controversies in later years and his back tracking on Sandy Hook was unforgivable. I don't know what his deal is and he even used the word "psychotic" to describe himself. No thanks.

    As for the attacks on him from the left, we know what their agenda is and I'd just as soon see them all lined up and shot, AJ's BS notwithstanding.

    There are very few media (alt or otherwise) who I like and believe avoid BS. Tucker Carlson being number one and I love Rush, though I disagree with some of his views on some important issues. For someone considered out there, I also really like David Icke, though my mental jury is out on reptilians. On politics, David is amazing and has keen insight. He can give a riveting talk, for three or four hours, without notes, and he's always spot on.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    OK, first of all, fans of the show, help me out here:

    The author is Josh Owens, who worked for Jones from 2012 to 2017.

    I clearly recall a reporter and videographer named Josh Owens. Does anybody else?

    The full article is here, behind a paywall. If anybody has an account, copypasta would be appreciated.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/m...=pocket-newtab

    The Bolshevik media is gleefully running with this, here is a piece from Salon.



    “We made it up”: Ex-Infowars editor says he published lies about Muslim community to spread hate

    https://www.salon.com/2019/12/06/we-...o-spread-hate/

    “And for what? Clickbait headlines, YouTube views?” former video editor Josh Owens writes in New York Times essay

    Igor Derysh

    December 6, 2019 11:00AM (UTC)

    A former Infowars video editor admitted that the outlet fabricated lies about a Muslim community in New York to push host Alex Jones’ threats of sharia law in the United States.

    Josh Owens, who spent years working for Infowars, wrote an essay for The New York Times Magazine describing how Jones' media empire made up facts to fit its narrative and how employees were subjected to Jones’ angry, violent outbursts.

    The day before Jones interviewed then-candidate Donald Trump on his show in 2015, Owens wrote that he traveled to Islamberg, a Muslim community in rural upstate New York, where Jones had instructed him to investigate what he called “the American Caliphate.”

    Though the Muslims that lived in the community had not been connected to any violence and some had publicly denounced ISIS, Jones wanted to push the far-right rumor that the community was a “potential terrorist-training center,” Owens wrote.

    Owens said he and a reporter tried to lie their way into the settlement but were unable to get in after the community had come under threat. Days before the trip, the FBI had issued an alert for a man named Jon Ritzheimer, who had threatened a terrorist attack against Muslims.

    After a law enforcement agent called to confirm their identities, Jones wanted to spin the incident as “an attempt to intimidate us into silence,” Owens wrote.

    “He even went so far as to include Michael Bloomberg, the former mayor of New York City, in the purported conspiracy, claiming he wanted to abolish the Second Amendment — and that somehow intimidating us would achieve that,” he added.

    Owens and the reporter did speak to a nearby sheriff and mayor, who both told them that the people of Islamberg “were kind, generous neighbors who welcomed the surrounding community into their homes, even celebrating holidays together.”

    “The information did not meet our expectations, so we made it up, preying on the vulnerable and feeding the prejudices and fears of Jones’s audience,” he wrote. “We ignored certain facts, fabricated others and took situations out of context to fit our narrative.”

    Infowars soon published headlines like “Shariah Law Zones Confirmed in America,” “Report: Obama’s Terror Cells in the U.S.,” and “The Rumors Are True: Shariah Law Is Here!”

    Owens said he became enamored with Jones as an angry young man but now looks back on his time at the outlet with regret.

    “I thought of the children who lived in Islamberg: how afraid their families must have felt when their communities were threatened and strangers appeared asking questions; how we chose to look past these people as individuals and impose on them more of the same unfair suspicions they already had to endure,” he wrote. “And for what? Clickbait headlines, YouTube views?”

    Owens wrote that he and others were also encouraged to push false stories about Sandy Hook, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and reports that radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan was reaching California.

    When things went wrong, Jones often responded with violent outbursts, Owens said.

    “The blinds stuck, so he ripped them off the wall. A water cooler had mold in it, so he grabbed a large knife, stabbed the plastic base wildly and smashed it on the ground,” Owens wrote. “Once a co-worker stopped by the office with a pet fish he was taking home to his niece. It swam in circles in a small, transparent bag. When Jones saw the bag balanced upright on a desk in the conference room, he emptied it into a garbage can. On one occasion, he threatened to send out a memo banning laughter in the office. ‘We’re in a war,’ he said, and he wanted people to act accordingly.”

    In one incident when Jones wanted to “blow off steam,” the crew drove to a ranch outside Austin, Texas, to shoot guns.

    “He picked up an AR-15 and accidentally fired it in my direction,” Owens recalled. “The bullet hit the ground about 10 feet away from me. One employee, who was already uncomfortable around firearms, lost it, accusing Jones of being careless and flippant … [Jones] claimed he had intentionally fired the gun as a joke — as if this were any better.”

    During another incident, Jones “walked into my office shirtless,” Owens said, which he described as “normal.” Jones then proceeded to instruct another employee to hit him. The two repeatedly punched each other in the arm. “On his last hit, the sound was different. Wet. I thought I could hear the meat split open in the employee’s arm,” Owens recalled. “Jones roared as he punched a cabinet, denting the door in. A few weeks later, I heard that Jones had broken a video editor’s ribs after playing the same game in a downtown bar.”

    Owens said he quit his job in April of 2017 and gratefully accepted an entry-level gig with a 75 percent pay cut. Two days later, Jones called him on the phone and tried to talk him into returning, he said.

    “Let me tell you a little secret. I don’t like it anymore, either,” Jones told him, according to the essay. “I don’t want to do it anymore and I got all these people working for me, and you know, then I feel guilty. I don’t want to do it. You think I want to keep doing this? I haven’t wanted to do this for five years, man.”
    yes, he's a real person, I've met him. what exactly is your question?

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    They have dumped him, the deposition for his divorce, the lawsuit from sandy hook, him recanting his previous belief in 9/11 etc etc has crashed whatever was left of his credibility. Also, he is an older man now, most likely he needs a well deserved break from it all. They will find another conman to take his place
    did you just call our commander a conman?



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    did you just call our commander a conman?
    Not this time but I am calling Alex Jones a conman.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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