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    Trump Sends 14,000 Troops For War on Iran. Will it be Enough?

    Trump Sends 14,000 Troops For War on Iran. Will it be Enough?



    So much for getting out of endless wars! President Trump has announced that he is sending 14,000 more US troops to the Middle East and may even send more. The reason is the manufactured "Iran threat" that Trump continues to delude himself over. Neocons are thrilled. So are Saudi Arabia and Israel, who would love nothing more than to have the US fight and die in their wars. But what about America first?
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    The Pentagon on Wednesday denied a report that the United States was weighing sending up to 14,000 more troops to the Middle East in the face of a perceived threat from Iran.The Wall Street Journal reported that the possible deployment would include "dozens" more ships and double the number of troops added to the US force in the region since the beginning of this year, citing unnamed US officials.
    The paper said President Donald Trump could make a decision on the troop boost as early as this month.
    But the Pentagon disputed the accuracy of the report.
    "To be clear, the reporting is wrong. The U.S. is not considering sending 14,000 additional troops to the Middle East," spokeswoman Alyssa Farah tweeted.

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/us-mulling-14...223950953.html

  4. #3
    Seems Trump got re-gifted something that other neocon never got to open after all...

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    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
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    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

  5. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Seems Trump got re-gifted something that other neocon never got to open after all...

    This was another case of Ron falling for fake news.

  6. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    This was another case of Ron falling for fake news.
    Again with the Ron is Wrong crap?

    Do you abbreviate this place WPF?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

  7. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Again with the Ron is Wrong crap?

    Do you abbreviate this place WPF?
    What part of the facts don't you understand?

    The Pentagon on Wednesday denied a report that the United States was weighing sending up to 14,000 more troops to the Middle East in the face of a perceived threat from Iran.The Wall Street Journal reported that the possible deployment would include "dozens" more ships and double the number of troops added to the US force in the region since the beginning of this year, citing unnamed US officials.
    The paper said President Donald Trump could make a decision on the troop boost as early as this month.
    But the Pentagon disputed the accuracy of the report.
    "To be clear, the reporting is wrong. The U.S. is not considering sending 14,000 additional troops to the Middle East," spokeswoman Alyssa Farah tweeted.

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/us-mulling-14...223950953.html

  8. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    This was another case of Ron falling for fake news.
    You can't handle the truth, that's all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    Make America the Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave again

  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    You can't handle the truth, that's all.
    That's you TDS people's problem.

    The Truth:

    "To be clear, the reporting is wrong. The U.S. is not considering sending 14,000 additional troops to the Middle East," spokeswoman Alyssa Farah tweeted.

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/us-mulling-14...223950953.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    This was another case of Ron falling for fake news.
    The 14,000 was widely reported (repeated from the neocon WSJ), and it’s likely that Ron did not hear about the later Pentagon statement before they recorded the show. The show is usually commentary on current news and events. And they basically used it as a starting point to discuss Iran and Middle East policy in general.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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    They are what they hate. - B4L


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  12. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The 14,000 was widely reported (repeated from the neocon WSJ), and it’s likely that Ron did not hear about the later Pentagon statement before they recorded the show. The show is usually commentary on current news and events. And they basically used it as a starting point to discuss Iran and Middle East policy in general.
    Exactly.

    He should have just talked about the troops that were already sent and waited to talk about the new 14,000 until it was more than an MSM rumor.
    Just like he shouldn't have commented on the military pardons without finding out both sides of the issue.

  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The Pentagon on Wednesday denied a report that the United States was weighing sending up to 14,000 more troops to the Middle East ...
    Denied on Wednesday, confirmed on Thursday...

    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-pen...st-11575569890

    A top Pentagon official told senators that U.S. military officials are considering bolstering the U.S. force presence in the Middle East to counter threats from Iran following a significant buildup throughout the year.

    John Rood, the undersecretary of defense for policy, told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday that the Pentagon had sent 14,000 additional troops this year and was considering more forces, but wouldn’t say how many.

    “We haven’t made a decision yet,” Mr. Rood said under questioning by Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R., Tenn.). “Based on what we are seeing…it is possible we would need to adjust our force posture. I think that would be a prudent step, depending on what we observe, because our objective is to deter Iranian aggression.”

    The Wall Street Journal, citing U.S. officials, reported Wednesday that the Pentagon was considering as many as 14,000 additional troops to respond to potential Iranian threats, and that a decision could come later this month.

    President Trump also could approve a smaller deployment, the officials said.

    Earlier in his testimony Thursday, Mr. Rood called the Journal report erroneous, saying, “We haven’t made a decision to deploy an additional 14,000 troops.”

    Ms. Blackburn then asked Mr. Rood whether additional forces were being considered, or whether the Pentagon might send fewer than 14,000. “Yes,” he responded.

    “We are evaluating the threat situations,” he said. “We will need to make dynamic adjustments to our posture.”

    ...
    But naturally Ron Paul, who has a son in the Senate, is falling for fake news, while Swordshyll, who reads Yahoo!, is not.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 12-06-2019 at 09:24 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Denied on Wednesday, confirmed on Thursday...



    But naturally Ron Paul, who has a son in the Senate, is falling for fake news, while Swordshyll, who reads Yahoo!, is not.

    Have no fear. SS will be along directly to deny the Pentagon's denial (this morning) of their previous denial (yesterday). This is starting to resemble an Abbott and Costello bit.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Have no fear. SS will be along directly to deny the Pentagon's denial (this morning) of their previous denial (yesterday). This is starting to resemble an Abbott and Costello bit.
    "What's the name of the 14,000 on second?"

    "No, those are only up to 14,000, and we don't know their names because they haven't been picked yet. We only know the names of the 14,000 who got sent first."
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

  16. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    "What's the name of the 14,000 on second?"

    "No, those are only up to 14,000, and we don't know their names because they haven't been picked yet. We only know the names of the 14,000 who got sent first."

    Exactly.

    I'd +rep you if I could.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Have no fear. SS will be along directly to deny the Pentagon's denial (this morning) of their previous denial (yesterday). This is starting to resemble an Abbott and Costello bit.
    "U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity"


    Is NOT a Pentagon denial (this morning) of their previous denial (yesterday).

  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    "U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity"


    Is NOT a Pentagon denial (this morning) of their previous denial (yesterday).
    While ignoring the named official testifying before Congress yesterday:

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...ed-middle-east

    Yesterday, however, a top Pentagon official, Undersecretary of Defense John Rood, was on Capitol Hill, telling the Senate Armed Services Committee that 14,000 additional troops have already been deployed to the region this year, and more may be on the way.

    “We haven’t made a decision yet,” Mr. Rood said under questioning by Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R., Tenn.). “Based on what we are seeing … it is possible we would need to adjust our force posture. I think that would be a prudent step, depending on what we observe, because our objective is to deter Iranian aggression.” […]

    Ms. Blackburn then asked Mr. Rood whether additional forces were being considered, or whether the Pentagon might send fewer than 14,000. “Yes,” he responded.

    “We are evaluating the threat situations,” he said. “We will need to make dynamic adjustments to our posture.”
    The White House denial was only that the 14,000 figure was not accurate.

    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 12-06-2019 at 03:21 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The Pentagon says...


    The Pentagon is delaying the full-rate production (FRP) decision for the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) owing to a lack of progress with the Joint Simulation Environment (JSE) that will test the aircraft against high-end threats that it cannot replicate on the range.

    Ellen Lord, undersecretary of defense for Acquisition and Sustainment (A&S), told reporters on 18 October that this announcement means the FRP decision will not be made in December, as originally anticipated, but instead potentially in December 2020 or January 2021.

    Dan Grazier, military fellow with the Project on Government Oversight (POGO) watchdog group in Washington, DC, told Jane's on 18 October that range restrictions prevent the F-35 from being tested against very high-end missions such as super dense, highly-integrated air defence networks. In theory, he said, the Pentagon should be able to replicate these missions in the simulator. Grazier said the Pentagon must have a properly functioning JSE to complete initial operational test and evaluation (IOT&E), which is required to properly inform the FRP decision.
    https://www.janes.com/article/92039/...n-by-13-months
    Last edited by acptulsa; 12-06-2019 at 11:31 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

  23. #20
    Does anybody actually want to put $$ on this 14,000 troop deployment, or are you all just being a bunch of deep state tools?

    How many times have we heard reports from "sources" about what Trump is going to do?

    99% of the time they are wrong.

    You want to bet on a 1% occurrence?

    Let's do it.

    Who wants some?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Does anybody actually want to put $$ on this 14,000 troop deployment, or are you all just being a bunch of deep state tools?

    How many times have we heard reports from "sources" about what Trump is going to do?

    99% of the time they are wrong.

    You want to bet on a 1% occurrence?

    Let's do it.

    Who wants some?
    That's what I thought.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    That's what I thought.
    You want us to pick a number between 1 and 14,000 and bet money on it? Because you know as well as we do, if we don't pick a hard number, and he "only" sends 13,998 more, you'll weasel out.

    dannno, don't take this personally, but if you can't even give us the odds we'd get from the Vegas Mafia's roulette wheels, $#@! you.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 12-06-2019 at 12:53 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You want us to pick a number between 1 and 14,000 and bet money on it? Because you know as well as we do, if we don't pick a hard number, and he "only" sends 13,998 more, you'll weasel out.

    dannno, don't take this personally, but if you can't even give us the odds we'd get from the Vegas Mafia's roulette wheels, $#@! you.
    I think you are thinking of Rev 3.

    But yes, of course terms would have to be agreed upon. I've done this before.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You want us to pick a number between 1 and 14,000 and bet money on it? Because you know as well as we do, if we don't pick a hard number, and he "only" sends 13,998 more, you'll weasel out.

    dannno, don't take this personally, but if you can't even give us the odds we'd get from the Vegas Mafia's roulette wheels, $#@! you.

    This is SOP for dannno and is nothing more than a distraction from the actual, salient issue. He often tries to focus with laser-like precision on the minutia of specifc numbers, thus taking attention away from the big picture. The reality is that even ONE additional troop is too many. Trump has had almost 4 years now to bring the troops home. Instead, just this year, he's sent 14,000 additional troops over there. But for some reason we're supposed to believe unwaveringly in his intentions to bring them all back home. It would be insane to believe that, given the real-life circumstances.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul



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  29. #25
    Back in May: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1ST2C6

    Trump doubts U.S. needs to send more troops to Middle East

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Thursday he did not think additional U.S. troops are needed in the Middle East to counter Iran, casting doubt on a Pentagon plan to bolster forces in the region.

    “I don’t think we’re going to need them. I really don’t,” Trump told reporters. “I would certainly send troops if we need them.” If needed, “we’ll be there in whatever number we need,” he added.

    Trump, who has been focused on trying to reduce the number of U.S. troops deployed around the world, spoke shortly before he was to be briefed at the White House on a new deployment plan by acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan.

    Shanahan said the Pentagon was considering sending additional U.S. troops to the Middle East as one of the ways to bolster protection for American forces there amid tensions with Iran.

    “What we’re looking at is: Are there things that we can do to enhance force protection in the Middle East?” Shanahan said.

    It may involve sending additional troops.”
    September: https://www.npr.org/2019/09/20/76293...oil-facilities

    Trump Sending Troops To Middle East After Attack On Saudi Oil Facilities

    President Trump has authorized the deployment of additional U.S. forces to the Middle East to strengthen air and missile defenses around Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, the Pentagon announced late Friday.

    Defense Secretary Mark Esper called the move a first step and said the deployment would be defensive in nature. He said the deployment comes in response to requests for help from Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
    October: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast...rabia-n1065051

    Trump admin sending thousands more U.S. troops to Saudi Arabia


    WASHINGTON — The Trump administration said Friday it is sending 2,800 more troops, fighter jets and missile defense weaponry to Saudi Arabia to help bolster the kingdom’s defenses after a September attack on its oil facilities.

    Defense Secretary Mark Esper ordered the deployment of additional service members, two fighter squadrons, one air expeditionary wing, two Patriot Missile batteries and one THAAD missile defense system. With the additional deployment announced Friday, Esper said U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia will number approximately 3,000.
    November:

    https://reason.com/2019/10/11/bringi...e-middle-east/

    Bringing Them Home? Trump Commits 1,800 More Troops to the Middle East

    If Trump wants credit for ending wars in the Middle East, he'll have to actually reduce the number of Americans deployed there.

    It was just four days ago that President Donald Trump explained his decision to move American troops out of one part of Syria by saying that it was "time for us to get out of these ridiculous Endless Wars…and bring our soldiers home."

    On Friday, the Trump administration announced it would be sending about 1,800 additional troops to the Middle East.

    In a statement, Pentagon spokesman Jonathon Hoffman said the new deployments were part of an overall strategy "to assure and enhance the defense of Saudi Arabia."At a press conference, Defense Secretary Mark Esper said the new deployments were made in consultation with the Saudi Arabian Ministry of Defense.

    Including the newly announced deployment, the U.S. will have increased the number of troops deployed to the Middle East by 14,000 since May, CNN reports.

    But Trump says he has "no plans at all" to withdraw American forces from Iraq, where they've been fighting since 2003. His promise to withdraw from Afghanistan has so far failed to materialize (though the administration is involved in negotiations with the Taliban there). When Congress passed a bipartisan resolution that would have cut off American aid to Saudi Arabia's ongoing war in Yemen—a conflict that has triggered a famine, killing an estimated 50,000 civilians—Trump vetoed it.
    The troops will be home soon. We will be out of Syria in 30 days- Trump, December, 2018.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 12-06-2019 at 03:16 PM.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    This is SOP for dannno and is nothing more than a distraction from the actual, salient issue. He often tries to focus with laser-like precision on the minutia of specifc numbers, thus taking attention away from the big picture. The reality is that even ONE additional troop is too many. Trump has had almost 4 years now to bring the troops home. Instead, just this year, he's sent 14,000 additional troops over there. But for some reason we're supposed to believe unwaveringly in his intentions to bring them all back home. It would be insane to believe that, given the real-life circumstances.
    And that is always the point that Ron Paul is making. It doesn’t matter what the headline of the day says. That is just a jump off point to say that sending no troops is the best option. It doesn’t matter if it’s 10 or 100,000. Peace, prosperity and non-intervention are always the point.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate. - B4L


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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Uuuuuuuhh mothafucka.
    1. 14,000 have already been sent this year.

    2. Undersecretary John Rood told the Senate Armed Services Committee yesterday that the Pentagon is considering sending "as many as 14,000" more. That confirms what Ron Paul said.

    3. I don't want your mother. She's too stupid. I'd lose too many brain cells during the pillow talk.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 12-06-2019 at 12:34 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    1. 14,000 have already been sent this year.

    2. Undersecretary John Rood told the Senate Armed Services Committee yesterday that the Pentagon is considering sending "as many as 14,000" more. That confirms what Ron Paul said.

    3. I don't want your mother. She's too stupid. I'd lose too many brain cells during the pillow talk.
    Rood said nothing of the sort:


    Lawmakers on Thursday pressed John Rood, the Pentagon's No. 3 official, on whether additional troops were being considered for the Middle East.

    "Based on what we're seeing with our concerns about the threat picture, it is possible that we would need to adjust our force posture," Rood said.
    "We are always considering and in fact, based on the threat situation in the Middle East are watching that, and as necessary the secretary of defense has told me he intends to make changes to our force posture there," Rood said.
    All Rood said was that if they need to make adjustments they would, people were frustrated because he said nothing either way.

  33. #29
    No amount of troops will ever be enough because the purpose of the war is to become another never-ending war.

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