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    Exclamation Bernie Sanders leads in CA-NH and NV in new polls

    Bernie Sanders pulls ahead of 2020 Democratic presidential rivals in California: Poll

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ratic-preside/

    By David Sherfinski - The Washington Times - Thursday, December 5, 2019

    Sen. Bernard Sanders of Vermont has surged past his 2020 Democratic presidential rivals in California with Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts close behind, according to polling released this week.

    Mr. Sanders was the top choice of 24% of likely Democratic primary voters in the all-important state, followed by Ms. Warren at 22%, former Vice President Joseph R. Biden at 14%, and Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Indiana, at 12%, according to the UC Berkeley Institute of Governmental Studies poll conducted for the Los Angeles Times.



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    Amid National Surge, New Poll Shows Bernie Sanders Top Democrat in New Hampshire

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...-new-hampshire

    According to the Emerson poll released Tuesday, (26 Nov) Sanders is now in first place with 26% followed by South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg in second with 22%, and former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Elizabeth Warren tied for third with 14% each.

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    You believe the polls when they said Hillary was leading in 2016?
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    You believe the polls when they said Hillary was leading in 2016?
    Your reply implies that you don't believe these results. If not, then who do you think is leading in CA, NH, and NV?

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Your reply implies that you don't believe these results. If not, then who do you think is leading in CA, NH, and NV?
    Does it make any difference which Demoncrat is leading in their primary?

    I guess Gabbard would be a slightly better sign but even she is just horrible as opposed to vile.
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    Not surprising that hes polling so high in NH. He won the state last election cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Does it make any difference which Demoncrat is leading in their primary?

    I guess Gabbard would be a slightly better sign but even she is just horrible as opposed to vile.
    I’d have to guess that the biggest deviation from the polls will be how much Tulsi Gabbard gets. And it will also be the least reported story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    I’d have to guess that the biggest deviation from the polls will be how much Tulsi Gabbard gets. And it will also be the least reported story.
    If she wins a state they will skip reporting 1st and just report who came in 2nd and below.
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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Most of the polls show Andrew Yang at 1% but I think he might be the real frontrunner. His whole platform is UBI, free money, its a winning platform.

    Cant stop a great idea whose time has come, no matter how much they black him out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Your reply implies that you don't believe these results. If not, then who do you think is leading in CA, NH, and NV?
    Whom ever the PTB want. Keep an eye on Buttigieg because they keep trying to lift him up in the polls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Does it make any difference which Demoncrat is leading in their primary?
    To me it does, as Bernie is an outright Communist...I mean a no-$#@!, Hail Stalin, government must own the means of production, old timey, communist.

    It is shocking that he stands a good chance of winning the nomination, and then possibly winning the presidency...regardless of winning or losing, he will get substantial numbers, it will not be an electoral blowout like Mondale or McGovern.

    The democrats could literally re-animate Lenin and they would win MA-NY-VT-CT-NJ-IL-WA-OR-CA and DC, at the very least.

    What is also stunning, and a thorough and complete repudiation of the "education campaigns" that Ron ran, is how many Ron Paulers are now Bernie-Bots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    You believe the polls when they said Hillary was leading in 2016?
    Well she did actually win the democratic nomination and she got the most votes in the presidential race so the polls weren't exactly wrong, they just didn't tell the whole picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Well she did actually win the democratic nomination and she got the most votes in the presidential race so the polls weren't exactly wrong, they just didn't tell the whole picture.
    Trump won in a landslide in the electoral college, they were giving her a 90-99% chance of winning up until the day of the election. They were wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump won in a landslide in the electoral college, they were giving her a 90-99% chance of winning up until the day of the election. They were wrong.
    The polls that show her popular support were correct. This poll showing Bernie Sanders popular support is also most likely correct. Like I said, they didn't tell the whole picture. But thank you for confirming what I already said.
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    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    What is also stunning, and a thorough and complete repudiation of the "education campaigns" that Ron ran, is how many Ron Paulers are now Bernie-Bots.
    So? Not every person learns every lesson. The way Ron Paul brought people together was not by pushing the typical GOP talking points but by standing up against the military industrial complex and the regime change wars. Right now the loudest voice against regime change wars is Tulsi Gabbard but in throughout 2016 it was Bernie Sanders. (And I'm not counting Rand Paul simply because he didn't last that long). When Ron Paul didn't get the nomination in 2008 he had the joint press conference with Ralph Nader, Chuck Baldwin and Cynthia McKinney because he understood that those three candidates were supported by people in his base even though only Chuck Baldwin was close to Ron Paul on all issues. Now you'll hear even some republicans talking about ending regime change wars. So the education campaign has been successful.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    If he makes a decent showing in Iowa, like a close second place then well he'd have NH, CA, a strong showing in IA, and on to SC. Sounds like Bernie will be around for a awhile.
    Where is John Galt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Well she did actually win the democratic nomination and she got the most votes in the presidential race so the polls weren't exactly wrong, they just didn't tell the whole picture.
    Did she? I am not convinced she did--lots of dirty tricks went on in the DNC. It was all a grand illusion, a manipulation, also helped by the MSM to make people think she did get the popular vote. Many Americans loathed Hillary and they knew it so they had to manipulate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Did she? I am not convinced she did--lots of dirty tricks went on in the DNC. It was all a grand illusion, a manipulation, also helped by the MSM to make people think she did get the popular vote. Many Americans loathed Hillary and they knew it so they had to manipulate it.
    You think they have so much control that they can make it appear that she won the popular vote but not enough to make it appear that she won Ohio or Florida? Trump only beat Hillary in Florida by 1.2%.


    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You think they have so much control that they can make it appear that she won the popular vote but not enough to make it appear that she won Ohio or Florida? Trump only beat Hillary in Florida by 1.2%.



    Did they steal and manipulate votes from Bernie last time around or have you forgotten?
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Did they steal and manipulate votes from Bernie last time around or have you forgotten?
    There's no evidence that I have seen from the Wikileaks emails or anywhere else of actual vote stealing. There was evidence that her friends in the media manipulated the narrative, including pushing Donald Trump in the GOP nomination (did you forget that?) as well as that she was fed poll questions ahead of time by Donna Brazille. If you know of evidence anywhere that shows she actually got votes in voting machines flipped from Bernie to her than please share that. But then again you are left with the logical problem that you failed to address. Why would Hillary steal votes from Trump only in states where it didn't matter? Again THAT DON'T MAKE NO SENSE!
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    So? Not every person learns every lesson. The way Ron Paul brought people together was not by pushing the typical GOP talking points but by standing up against the military industrial complex and the regime change wars. Right now the loudest voice against regime change wars is Tulsi Gabbard but in throughout 2016 it was Bernie Sanders. (And I'm not counting Rand Paul simply because he didn't last that long). When Ron Paul didn't get the nomination in 2008 he had the joint press conference with Ralph Nader, Chuck Baldwin and Cynthia McKinney because he understood that those three candidates were supported by people in his base even though only Chuck Baldwin was close to Ron Paul on all issues. Now you'll hear even some republicans talking about ending regime change wars. So the education campaign has been successful.
    I'm not gonna let my sour grapes and my $#@!ty outlook guide the discussion here, suffice to say I recognize it for what it is.

    But the anti-war faction that is following Bernie is tiny, compared to "gimmee free stuff" and, "let's burn it all down" contingents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Amid National Surge, New Poll Shows Bernie Sanders Top Democrat in New Hampshire

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...-new-hampshire

    According to the Emerson poll released Tuesday, (26 Nov) Sanders is now in first place with 26% followed by South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg in second with 22%, and former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Elizabeth Warren tied for third with 14% each.
    I wouldn't draw any sweeping conclusions from a poll that only includes people named Emerson.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    There's no evidence that I have seen from the Wikileaks emails or anywhere else of actual vote stealing. There was evidence that her friends in the media manipulated the narrative, including pushing Donald Trump in the GOP nomination (did you forget that?) as well as that she was fed poll questions ahead of time by Donna Brazille. If you know of evidence anywhere that shows she actually got votes in voting machines flipped from Bernie to her than please share that. But then again you are left with the logical problem that you failed to address. Why would Hillary steal votes from Trump only in states where it didn't matter? Again THAT DON'T MAKE NO SENSE!
    I didn't say they stole from Trump, re-read what I wrote above.

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    HILLARY CLINTON ROBBED BERNIE SANDERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION, ACCORDING TO DONNA BRAZILE
    https://www.newsweek.com/clinton-rob...brazile-699421


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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I didn't say they stole from Trump, re-read what I wrote above.

    Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ks-2016-215774

    Hillary Cheated
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...illary_cheated

    HILLARY CLINTON ROBBED BERNIE SANDERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION, ACCORDING TO DONNA BRAZILE
    https://www.newsweek.com/clinton-rob...brazile-699421


    So let me see if I understand you. You believe that last time the establishment rigged it all for Hillary Clinton and this time they're rigging it all for Bernie Sanders?

    Once again...



    The process was being rigged for Joe Biden, but the Trump impeachment hearings have caused Biden to tank. That and Biden's own gaffs in the debates and on the stump. It's only logical that Bernie who was in 2nd place behind Biden might move into first.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'm not gonna let my sour grapes and my $#@!ty outlook guide the discussion here, suffice to say I recognize it for what it is.

    But the anti-war faction that is following Bernie is tiny, compared to "gimmee free stuff" and, "let's burn it all down" contingents.
    I don't think it's fair to count the "let's burn it all down" contingent in this because that's a sentiment I heard from Ron Paul turned Trump supporters as well.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You think they have so much control that they can make it appear that she won the popular vote but not enough to make it appear that she won Ohio or Florida? Trump only beat Hillary in Florida by 1.2%.


    They aren't the only players on the field.
    Certain states were unrigged.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    So let me see if I understand you. You believe that last time the establishment rigged it all for Hillary Clinton and this time they're rigging it all for Bernie Sanders?

    Once again...



    The process was being rigged for Joe Biden, but the Trump impeachment hearings have caused Biden to tank. That and Biden's own gaffs in the debates and on the stump. It's only logical that Bernie who was in 2nd place behind Biden might move into first.
    No that is NOT what I am saying. I am saying that Hillary and the DNC stole it from Bernie last time. Just like Mitt Romney stole the votes (especially in Maine) from Ron Paul in 2012.

    To go a step further, nationally, you should watch "Hacking Democracy" if you do not think the votes can be rigged. The only way a candidate can seriously win is by a landslide--but that isn't foolproof either. This is another reason why the Dems are calling for the end of the electoral college.
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