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    VIRGINIA POLICE CHIEF ADVOCATES BAN ON ALL GUNS AT U.S. HOUSE “ASSAULT WEAPONS” HEARING

    https://gunsinthenews.com/virginia-p...apons-hearing/

    December 4, 2019

    On Sept. 25, the Democrat-led U.S. House Judiciary Committee held a 3 ½ hour “hearing” entitled “Protecting America From Assault Weapons.” That framing of the issue underscored the erroneous notion that Americans need protection from inanimate objects, rather than from violent criminals who have and always will use any means at their disposal to harm innocent, defenseless people. It also revealed the unfortunate agenda of the proceedings, which was to emphasize politics and finger-pointing over any useful exploration of how Congress might take meaningful steps to improve public safety.

    The most startling claim of the proceedings came when Dr. RaShall Brackney, Chief of the Charlottesville Police Department in Virginia responded to a question from Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) about whether she would support a ban on hunting rifles. “I believe any weapon that can be used to hunt individuals should be banned,” Brackney replied.

    This admission seemed to indicate that Brackney would be open to the banning of any firearm – or even any weapon – whatsoever, since a criminal bent on “hunt[ing] individuals” could use virtually any firearm for that purpose.

    Dr. Brackney was given two opportunities by pro-gun committee members to walk back or provide more context for that statement. Instead, she dug in and reiterated the statement.

    Rep. Greg Steube (R-Fla.) even asked her directly, “Okay, so you then stand for the proposition to ban any type of firearm, because any firearm can be used and misused to kill people.”

    Rather than answering the question directly, Dr. Brackney began talking about police and the social contract. Rep. Steube tried asking again, only to be interrupted by an anti-gun committee member who tried to raise a point of order. She claimed that Rep. Steube was “attacking” the witness – when in fact he was merely trying to get a straight answer – and requested that he “tone down his words.” That exchange took up most of Steube’s remaining time for questioning, which was not reinstated.

    Again, however, Rep. Steube tried, to clarify, asking, “Any type of weapon … that can be used to kill people should be banned?” “Sir,” Brackney replied, “you’re adding the word ‘type.’ I said ‘any weapons,’ so that’s my answer. Thank you.”

    The entire exchange can be seen at this link.

    Notably, none of the committee members or witnesses in favor of the ban attempted to distance themselves from Brackney’s push for a complete gun ban.

    Unfortunately, Dr. Brackney’s statements may have been one of the only honest claims of the entire hearing by those arguing in favor of the ban.

    Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), a Harvard Law School graduate, told a breathtaking whopper about the U.S. Supreme Court’s pivotal Second Amendment decision, District of Columbia v. Heller. He claimed the decision says, “the Second Amendment gives you a right to a handgun for purposes of self-defense and a rifle for purposes of hunting or recreation, but nowhere does it give you a right to weapons of war … .”

    The essence of the Heller decision is that Americans have a right to possess the sorts of bearable arms “in common use for lawful purposes,” particularly self-defense, and that handguns qualify because they are overwhelmingly chosen by responsible, law-abiding persons for that purpose. Notably, the decision does not purport to overturn the 1939 Supreme Court case of U.S. v. Miller, which held that the Second Amendment protection extends to arms that are “part of the ordinary military equipment” or the use of which “could contribute to the common defense.” It also notes that while Americans of the founding era might have owned firearms primarily for self-defense and hunting, the founders themselves wanted to ensure the Second Amendment provided an effective check against disarming the people, which in turn was necessary to “be able to resist tyranny.”

    Nowhere does either decision suggest that rifles are only protected to the extent they are used for hunting or recreation. Indeed, Heller makes clear that self-defense is the “core lawful purpose” with which the Second Amendment is concerned.

    Another theme pushed again and again was that “assault weapons” like the AR-15 are “battlefield weapons” that have no place on “America’s streets.”

    Fortunately, as witness Amy Swearer testified, the overwhelmingly majority of the 16 million or so AR and AK pattern rifles in America are not “on the streets” but in the homes of law-abiding owners who never have and never will use them for anything other than lawful purposes. Violent criminals have not embraced semi-automatic rifles as their “weapons of choice.”

    Rifles of all types, of which the guns that would be categorized as “assault weapons” are only a subset, are used in only 2% of homicides. In 2018, more than five times as many people were killed with knives than were killed with all rifles. The same year, more than twice as many people were killed with personal weapons like hands, fists, or feet.

    When all was said and done, gun owners had no reassurance that there was any limiting principle to the anti-gun committee members’ prohibitive intentions or that they were willing to learn anything that would influence their decision-making. Indeed, one could imagine that long after semi-automatic rifles were banned, the exact same hearing could be held on the next class of firearm law-abiding gun owners would be forced to surrender because the guns were used in crimes they did not commit.



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    Charlotesville Police Chief: All Guns should be Banned.

    Me: YOU FIRST!



    Oh he didn't mean ALL .....just the minions..
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    That police chief can kindly go $#@! himself. $#@!er needs to have his rank and position taken away from him.
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    The most startling claim of the proceedings came when Dr. RaShall Brackney, Chief of the Charlottesville Police Department in Virginia responded to a question from Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) about whether she would support a ban on hunting rifles. “I believe any weapon that can be used to hunt individuals should be banned,” Brackney replied.
    This made me come up with a great business idea! I'm calling it "DeerLock"

    It locks a weapon's firing mechanism until its pointed at a deer. (patent pending)
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    I know where he can start.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'm going to need to be told the details before I accept the narrative about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    I know where he can start.
    He who?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    He who?
    Michael Jackson
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'm going to need to be told the details before I accept the narrative about this.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

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    It was a chick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    It was a chick.
    .... was it, though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    +rep for actually reading the story and correctly interpreting.



    On second thought...
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    https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/26/2...ries-atf-rules


    DSD Tactical Arms calls them barrel shrouds. Hawk Innovative Tech says they’re solvent filters. Prepper’s Discount sells flashlight tubes. But with a few hours and a little elbow grease, all of these products become the same thing: gun silencers.
    Silencers, otherwise known as suppressors, are among the most highly regulated gun accessories in the US. Under federal law, consumers must apply for a license to purchase them. The process involves paying a fee to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and submitting to extensive screening. It can take more than a year to get an answer. Americans eager to skip the wait, though, have a shortcut: tap one of the dozensof online retailers selling de facto suppressor parts and build their own.
    Even a search for “solvent traps” on Amazon returns a page of unrelated items useful in silencer construction, such as automobile fuel filters. A spokesperson from Amazon refused to comment for this story, but emphasized that all the products sold on the site were legal.
    “YOU CAN’T CONTROL PEOPLE TAKING LEGITIMATE ITEMS AND MAKING THEM INTO SOMETHING ILLEGITIMATE.”
    This summer’s spate of mass shootings has increased the appetite in Washington for more restrictive gun safety laws, with Democrats now pushing for a new ban on assault weapons. But if the political calculus on pursuing new firearms restrictions is changing, the flourishing market for DIY silencers shows how difficult it can be to enforce regulations on guns and gun products when those regulations hinge on precise technical specifications.
    Peter Tilem, a criminal defense attorney in New York with experience defending gun crimes cases, put it this way: “You can’t control people taking legitimate items and making them into something illegitimate. Sudafed is readily available; it’s also a precursor to methamphetamine, but we can’t ban Sudafed.” Homemade suppressors, like rubber bands used to make bump stocks and modified assault weapons, provide an avenue around restrictions.
    Building a suppressor at home is, in theory, perfectly legal. Federal law requires that anyone who does so still register the device, and submit to a background check before construction. But the registration process, which is electronic, can be more than twice as fast as acquiring a completed suppressor from a manufacturer.

    A solvent trap made by Quiet Bore, including legal warning

    Bob Folkestad, the founder of a leading solvent trap retailer called Quiet Bore, told The Trace the ATF forced manufacturers like him into business. “It’s 450 dollars and a yearlong wait [to purchase a suppressor],” he said. “Buy a solvent trap, and you can be approved in two to four weeks.” Solvent traps are designed to collect cleaning fluid from the barrel of a gun, and amateur gunsmiths can easily convert them into suppressors.
    Many members of a popular Facebook group devoted to the construction of homemade suppressors agree with Folkestad. One user, who joined the group in June, said in a post that he wished he had known about the do-it-yourself option before he filed paperwork to buy from a licensed retailer. “Will definitely be doing a form 1 on the next one,” he wrote, referring to the registration required to make a suppressor at home. In the past month, the group has grown by more than 1,000 users.
    Federal law regulates online firearms sales just as it does sales from brick-and-mortar shops: retailers must conduct background checks for every purchase and ship weapons to federally licensed dealers for pickup. Solvent trap retailers and others like them can sidestep these restrictions since their products are not technically firearms. The parts necessary for building a suppressor from home can thus be bought on Amazon or niche sellers like Quiet Bore, without regulation. Though not household names, some of the specialized sellers have attracted dedicated followings, as online comments attest. “Their products are quality, and their customer service is outstanding,” reads a recent Facebook review of SD Tactical Arms, posted along with a photo of a homemade suppressor and a completed Form 1 application.
    According to interviews with former federal agents, gun retailers, and lawyers, two problems underpin this expanding gray market: First, long wait times incentivize quick workarounds like solvent traps that can easily be converted to silencers. Second, the ATF has issued technical opinions that make those workarounds extremely challenging to prosecute.
    “WHAT THE ATF BASICALLY DID WAS GIVE EVERYONE A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD.”
    Such challenges compound work the agency already considers low-priority. Dogged by a lack of funding and inadequate technology, the former associate deputy director of the ATF, Ronald Turk, wrote in a leaked 2017 white paper that the agency should consider removing silencers from the list of items regulated under the National Firearms Act to ease the burden on ATF staff. He noted that there had been numerous complaints to Congress about processing times for suppressor applications, which make up the vast majority of registrations under the act.
    Some former agents speculate that the unwillingness to pursue these cases is partly rooted in the agency’s inconsistency in defining what constitutes a silencer. A series of technical determinations issued by the ATF’s Firearms Technical Division since 2011 have made it legal for companies to design and sell items nearly identical to silencers without regulation, so long as they have a plausible alternative use. The technical rulings do not take into account how effectively the items suppress sound.
    Rick Vasquez, who led the ATF’s technical division until shortly before the first of these rulings and now runs a security consulting firm, called the determinations a blunder. He said they have allowed companies to sell otherwise regulated devices without accountability. “What the ATF basically did,” he said, “was give everyone a get out of jail free card.”
    In an email, Scott Curley, a spokesperson for the ATF, denied that the agency has issued inconsistent rulings. He said the ATF sets rules for selling suppressors in accordance with the 1968 Gun Control Act, which requires agents to prove the intended use of any parts they call silencers in order to bring a case. This makes technical assessments notoriously difficult.

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    Terry Clark, another former ATF agent who worked at the bureau until 2013, placed less blame on his former employer, saying the agency’s technical determinations are a perfectly legitimate reading of the law, which is up to Congress to change. “[But] it’s opened up the door for people to perform illegitimate acts that can’t be criminally prosecuted,” he admitted. “So our hands are tied.”
    The federal government began regulating silencers in 1934, following an era in which they frequently did turn up in crimes. But ATF agents today insist that criminals seldom use the devices in violent crimes.According to one 2007 study, federal courts prosecuted 153 cases involving silencers between 1995 and 2004, and a criminal fired a weapon in only 2 percent of them. The devices also don’t dampen the sound of gunfire as much as a James Bond film might imply. Suppressed gunfire is still louder than a chainsaw.
    The rarity of silencer crime today may be due to tight federal regulation, but criminals do sometimes seek out the devices. In July, two men were arrested in connection with a robbery of an Indiana gun store, in which they stole two silencers. On the same day, law enforcement officers in Illinois found drugs, a rifle, and a silencer in the Jeep of a man they pulled over for driving without a seatbelt. Two weeks earlier, another man in California was arrested after law enforcement officers found a trove of assault weapons and a DIY silencer in his home.
    Cases where suppressors were used to conceal the firing of a gun were more difficult to identify, which other former agents say explains the lack of attention from the agency.
    THE ATF HAS NO WAY TO TRACK HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS ILLEGALLY BYPASS THE REGISTRATION PROCESS
    “It’s hard to justify [ATF agents] getting mucked up focusing on people who are breaking the law but don’t intend to then use that illegal gun in [violent] crime,” said David Chipman, a former ATF agent who now works as a senior policy advisor at the Giffords Law Center.
    Silencers received renewed attention following June’s Virginia Beach shooting, in which a gunman killed twelve city employees with a suppressed firearm. In response, Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ) and Representative Bonnie Watson Coleman (D-NJ) introduced a bill that would ban the attachments outright. At the same time, a Republican-sponsored bill would strip back existing regulation of silencers, eliminating all screening beyond a background check.
    Representative Watson Coleman said in an email that the ease of building a silencer at home is no excuse for congressional inaction. “Our complete paralysis when it comes to keeping maximum-damage weapons and devices like suppressors out of the market — whether they’re assembled in a factory or easily constructed at home — is disgusting,” she wrote.
    Whether or not a bill is passed, the ATF has no way of preventing people from building silencers from legally acquired parts, and no way to track how many individuals illegally bypass the registration process. Instead, they rely on an honor system buttressed by fearof surprise raids.
    Even in the rare cases when the ATF does crack down, retailers have found ways to circumvent punishment. The Trace reported in 2017 that the ATF had taken action against three companies for selling silencers disguised as solvent traps. Two of the companies, Dark Side Defense and Solvent Traps, Etc., were forced to close. The third, SD Tactical Arms, simply shut down its line of solvent traps and began selling barrel shrouds, whose measurements and hardware closely match those of the old solvent traps.
    SD Tactical did not reply to multiple requests for comment. An ATF spokesperson confirmed that the barrel shrouds were legal under the Gun Control Act’s intent standard.
    A barrel shroud is supposed to protect shooters from burning their hands on the barrels of their guns. On a popular web forum for sharing tips about building suppressors, one user was frank: “Nothing has changed but the name,” they wrote.
    This story was published in partnership with The Trace, a nonprofit news organization covering guns in America.
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