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    Tucker is just a politically incorrect Elizabeth Warren. This is fact-free economic illiteracy. My takeaway is Tucker wants to prop up failing companies and have employees and management loot the company dry until bankruptcy leaving shareholders with nothing and he doesn't want people to lend distressed countries and companies money. And he is apparently against people making money by creating efficiencies if it means employees are fired or have to move. What a retard.

    Embracing this garbage is the worst thing that could happen to the right. The socialist-protectionist-racialist right is not what is going to make America great.

    I honestly for the life of me don't understand what these people are bitching about. You have a company that is undervalued. Guy takes stake in company to get it sold for more than it is currently worth. Company gets sold. Guy makes a lot of money by making a correct bet. The company making the purchase moves the headquarters to a new location from Nebraska. Okay? Seems like this is how things are supposed to work. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...own/ar-BBXIPKI


    "Employees at Cabela’s/Bass Pro who do not relocate to Springfield will be offered severance and outplacement support." http://sandhillsexpress.com/state-ne...obs-in-sidney/
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    True story. Many years ago, while Tucker was nominally pretebding to be somewhat libertarian, I saw him with his family on my car rental shuttle bus at the airport.
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    Why is Trump popular? This type of story was once the staple on PBS and NPR. Trump and a portion of the GOP apparatus are combining typical points from both the Republican and Democratic platforms.

    Democratic points Tucker, Trump, etc seem to be for: smaller foreign policy footprint, fighting tariffs on our exports, fighting illegals that take blue collar jobs, fighting vulture capitalism, pro 1st Amendment...

    GOP points: Strong defense, pro 2nd Amendment, prolife, less red tape against businesses.

    Whether they are sincere or not remains to be seen, but this is what I think is behind Trump's success.

    The Democratic Party is for: free abortions for male to female transgenders, free healthcare for illegals, and other insanities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Why is Trump popular? This type of story was once the staple on PBS and NPR. Trump and a portion of the GOP apparatus are combining typical points from both the Republican and Democratic platforms.

    Democratic points Tucker, Trump, etc seem to be for: smaller foreign policy footprint, fighting tariffs on our exports, fighting illegals that take blue collar jobs, fighting vulture capitalism, pro 1st Amendment...

    GOP points: Strong defense, pro 2nd Amendment, prolife, less red tape against businesses.

    Whether they are sincere or not remains to be seen, but this is what I think is behind Trump's success.

    The Democratic Party is for: free abortions for male to female transgenders, free healthcare for illegals, and other insanities.
    Such as house to house firearms seizures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Tucker is just a politically incorrect Elizabeth Warren. This is fact-free economic illiteracy. My takeaway is Tucker wants to prop up failing companies and have employees and management loot the company dry until bankruptcy leaving shareholders with nothing and he doesn't want people to lend distressed countries and companies money. And he is apparently against people making money by creating efficiencies if it means employees are fired or have to move. What a retard.

    Embracing this garbage is the worst thing that could happen to the right. The socialist-protectionist-racialist right is not what is going to make America great.

    I honestly for the life of me don't understand what these people are bitching about. You have a company that is undervalued. Guy takes stake in company to get it sold for more than it is currently worth. Company gets sold. Guy makes a lot of money by making a correct bet. The company making the purchase moves the headquarters to a new location from Nebraska. Okay? Seems like this is how things are supposed to work. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...own/ar-BBXIPKI


    "Employees at Cabela’s/Bass Pro who do not relocate to Springfield will be offered severance and outplacement support." http://sandhillsexpress.com/state-ne...obs-in-sidney/
    Shareholders didn't build the company, shareholders didn't produce the product. Shareholders just bought stocks hoping to make a profit. They're not even involved in the day to day bushiness of the company. You seem overly concerned with 'shareholders', I wonder why that is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Shareholders didn't build the company, shareholders didn't produce the product. Shareholders just bought stocks hoping to make a profit. They're not even involved in the day to day bushiness of the company. You seem overly concerned with 'shareholders', I wonder why that is?
    I tend believe markets and property rights work very well. A business' sole reason for existing is to make money for the people who own it. Shareholders own the company.

    What's more interesting to me is how you think dog licenses and vouchers are tyranny but people who own property and want to increase its value are doing something wrong.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I tend believe markets and property rights work very well. A business' sole reason for existing is to make money for the people who own it. Shareholders own the company.

    What's more interesting to me is how you think dog licenses and vouchers are tyranny but people who own property and want to increase its value are doing something wrong.
    A shareholder owns a "share". They are only the owners if they own a majority. After seeing your entitled mentality I can't imagine someone who put their blood and sweat into starting and growing a business putting up with the likes of you.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    A shareholder owns a "share". They are only the owners if they own a majority. After seeing your entitled mentality I can't imagine someone who put their blood and sweat into starting and growing a business putting up with the likes of you.

    But if you own a big share of the business like Paul Singer, you get a big say. He bought it at $38 and the company sold for $60. Hard to see anything wrong with that.

    And if someone starts a business and wants to control it, they don't need list it publicly and sell off most of their shares, now do they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    But if you own a big share of the business like Paul Singer, you get a big say. He bought it at $38 and the company sold for $60. Hard to see anything wrong with that.

    And if someone starts a business and wants to control it, they don't need list it publicly and sell off most of their shares, now do they?
    True. But are you going to tell me people like Singer don't have way of making you do it whether you want to or not?
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    True. But are you going to tell me people like Singer don't have way of making you do it whether you want to or not?
    He can't force people to do anything.I don't know a ton about him. But I did read a biography on Carl Icahn. He looks for depressed companies. Buys a big stake. Gets on the board. And works to get other like minded people on the board through shareholder wide votes. And through that makes the changes necessary. It might be cutting costs, firing management, or looking for a competitor to sell the business to at a premium. I really don't know why that could be construed as bad. Management and employees might not like but there is a reason the business is undervalued. Guys like Singer and Icahn force business to be more efficient which ultimately makes society better off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    He can't force people to do anything.I don't know a ton about him. But I did read a biography on Carl Icahn. He looks for depressed companies. Buys a big stake. Gets on the board. And works to get other like minded people on the board through shareholder wide votes. And through that makes the changes necessary. It might be cutting costs, firing management, or looking for a competitor to sell the business to at a premium. I really don't know why that could be construed as bad. Management and employees might not like but there is a reason the business is undervalued. Guys like Singer and Icahn force business to be more efficient which ultimately makes society better off.
    Lol.

    And works to get other like minded people on the board through shareholder wide votes
    It's all so very innocent, right? What a jackass.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Lol.



    It's all so very innocent, right? What a jackass.
    Sorry. I thought this was libertarian forum. Perhaps I mistakenly believed property rights and voluntary transactions were a core part of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Sorry. I thought this was libertarian forum. Perhaps I mistakenly believed property rights and voluntary transactions were a core part of that.
    Blarg, blarg, blarg. Like vulture capitalism is so very libertarian. Do you you think you're talking to a twenty year old? Libertarianism isn't based on raping people, it's based on mutually beneficial interactions. It's not voluntary if you don't have a choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Blarg, blarg, blarg. Like vulture capitalism is so very libertarian. Do you you think you're talking to a twenty year old? Libertarianism isn't based on raping people, it's based on mutually beneficial interactions. It's not voluntary if you don't have a choice.
    Vulture capitalism isn't something that exists. It's a Bernie Sanders word. And Singer was involved in a mutually beneficial transaction. Bass Pro Shop made an offer for the company. The board of directors of Cabela's accepted.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Blarg, blarg, blarg. Like vulture capitalism is so very libertarian. Do you you think you're talking to a twenty year old? Libertarianism isn't based on raping people, it's based on mutually beneficial interactions. It's not voluntary if you don't have a choice.
    Don't forget government bailouts these pillars of society take in by the billions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Don't forget government bailouts these pillars of society take in by the billions.
    And the government subsidies they get even when they aren't being bailed out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Don't forget government bailouts these pillars of society take in by the billions.

    Number of bailouts taken by hedge fund managers in the last twenty years: Zero

    Amount of money Paul Singer has made from government bailouts: $0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Vulture capitalism isn't something that exists. It's a Bernie Sanders word. And Singer was involved in a mutually beneficial transaction. Bass Pro Shop made an offer for the company. The board of directors of Cabela's accepted.
    The $#@! it aint. It's not some made up moniker.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Number of bailouts taken by hedge fund managers in the last twenty years: Zero

    Amount of money Paul Singer has made from government bailouts: $0
    I didn't mention Paul Singer by name, but I am impressed at the speed that you knew he didn't get a bailouts. Are you Paul Singer? Lol

    What about government subsidies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I didn't mention Paul Singer by name, but I am impressed at the speed that you knew he didn't get a bailouts. Are you Paul Singer? Lol

    What about government subsidies?
    Wasn't tough. A quick Google search shows that there has only been one hedge fund bailout in history and that wasn't even a real bailout because investors in it lost basically everything.

    I don't even know how a hedge fund would get a subsidy.

    Very weird the hatred finance gets. I remember Ron Paul commending Mitt Romney's background. I guess this really is Pat Buchanan/Dotard Forums now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Very weird the hatred finance gets.
    The Fed has nothing to do with it.

    The rich get richer at everyone else's expense because they are given preferential access to new money created for them before the market adapts prices to compensate for its existence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Wasn't tough. A quick Google search shows that there has only been one hedge fund bailout in history and that wasn't even a real bailout because investors in it lost basically everything.

    I don't even know how a hedge fund would get a subsidy.

    Very weird the hatred finance gets. I remember Ron Paul commending Mitt Romney's background. I guess this really is Pat Buchanan/Dotard Forums now.
    Paul Elliott Singer (born August 22, 1944) is an American billionaire hedge fund manager, activist, investor, venture capitalist, and philanthropist, with a net worth of $3.5 billion according to Forbes.[2][3][4][5][6] His hedge fund, Elliott Management Corporation (EMC), specializes in distressed debt acquisitions.[7]:301[8] Singer is also the founder and CEO of NML Capital Limited, a Cayman Islands company.

    Singer's philanthropic activities include financial support for LGBTQ rights an opposition stance to the political party which he is affiliated through his contributions and donations.[9][10][11] He has provided funding to the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research,[12] is a strong opponent of raising taxes for the wealthiest 1% of taxpayers and opposes aspects of the Dodd-Frank Act.[12] Singer is active in Republican Party politics and Singer and others affiliated with Elliott Management are collectively "the top source of contributions" to the National Republican Senatorial Committee.[13]

    Fortune magazine described Singer as one of the "smartest and toughest money managers" in the hedge fund industry.[12] A number of sources have branded him a "vulture capitalist", largely on account of his role at EMC, which has been called a vulture fund.[4][14][15][16] The Independent has described him as "a pioneer in the business of buying up sovereign bonds on the cheap, and then going after countries for unpaid debts."[17] In 1996 Singer began using the strategy of purchasing sovereign debt from nations in or near default—such as Argentina,[12][18][19][20] and Peru[17][21][22]—through his NML Capital Limited[17] and Congo-Brazzaville through Kensington International Inc.[16] Singer's practice of purchasing distressed debt from companies and sovereign states and pursuing full payment through the courts has led to criticism.[20][23] Singer and EMC defend their model[4] as "a fight against charlatans who refuse to play by the market's rules",[18] and supporters of the practice have said it "help[s] keep kleptocratic governments in check."[24]
    Ya, sounds like a real stand up kind of guy.
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    Take away govt bailouts and govt borrowing and these investors won't be able to make nearly as much money as they are making now. They buy politicians and buy themselves all the favors they want
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    Tucker's trying to create a new political movement, which he and his associates call national conservatism.

    This is actually old-fashioned leftism, the ideology of Roosevelt's Democrat Party: nationalism and anti-capitalism.

    If you've seen the two-dimensional political spectrum, these people are the worst of both worlds.

    That is, on this spectrum, libertarians are economically conservative and socially liberal.

    Tucker and his ilk are economically liberal and socially conservative.

    They hate markets as much as, if not more, than they hate crossdressers, or whatever bathroom-related nonsense is presently popular.

    So, these people are not friends, and there's no reason to read, let alone post, any jibber-jabber they might scribble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Shareholders didn't build the company, shareholders didn't produce the product. Shareholders just bought stocks hoping to make a profit. They're not even involved in the day to day bushiness of the company. You seem overly concerned with 'shareholders', I wonder why that is?
    Shareholders provide the working capital, which means they are indeed involved in the day to day business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    True. But are you going to tell me people like Singer don't have way of making you do it whether you want to or not?
    Now why is Paul Singer familiar? Oh yeah, prominent neoconservative. Rubio was his boy.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Reference-List

    Billionaire investor Paul Singer is the founder and CEO of the hedge fund Elliott Management Corporation and an important backer of rightwing “pro-Israel” advocacy in the United States. He has financed a host of Republican, neoconservative, and more traditionally philanthropic causes. “Depending on your view of campaign finance,” observed a writer for the Washington Post, “he’s either an activist donor, or an example of how campaign finance has gotten out of hand.”
    ...
    https://militarist-monitor.org/profile/paul-singer/
    GOP mega-donor Wall Street billionaire Paul Singer is actively fundraising for Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), several sources have confirmed for Breitbart News.
    ...
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...r-marco-rubio/
    And another prominent neoconservative, Dan Senor, was a partner at Elliot.

    On Wall Street, Singer is well known for his conservative, cutthroat investing style. In 1977, after he founded the Elliott Management Corporation—one of the oldest hedge funds in the United States, which at one point counted Dan Senor among its partners...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    ITT cash register libertarians who don't care about towns and cities that go bankrupt after national big government policies sell out their industries and destroy their way of life.
    Maybe "cash register libertarians" understand economics?

    ...and so know that these problems won't be solved by making government even larger, as the current popular saint is doing?



    No, we probably just hate white men (i.e. ourselves)...

    ...part of the Deep State plot.
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