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Thread: Part of Trump's anti-HIV initiative, Federal gov't makes drug "free"

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    Part of Trump's anti-HIV initiative, Federal gov't makes drug "free"

    The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) today launched Ready, Set, PrEP, a national program that makes medications for pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP), taken daily to prevent HIV, available at no cost to people without prescription drug insurance coverage.

    lthough more than one million people at risk for HIV in the United States could benefit from PrEP medications, only a small fraction get them. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force recommend PrEP for individuals at risk of acquiring HIV. When taken as prescribed, PrEP is highly effective at reducing an individual’s risk of acquiring HIV.

    Ready, Set, PrEP is a key component of the Ending the HIV Epidemic: A Plan for America (EHE) initiative. EHE aims to reduce the number of new HIV infections in the United States by 75% in five years and by 90% in 10 years. By increasing awareness of PrEP and its access, the Ready, Set, PrEP program can provide thousands of people a safe, effective way to prevent HIV and bring our nation one step closer to ending the HIV epidemic.


    Ready, Set, PrEP is a historic expansion of access to HIV prevention medication and a major step forward in President Trump’s plan to end the HIV epidemic in America,” said HHS Secretary Alex Azar. “Thanks to Ready, Set, PrEP, thousands of Americans who are at risk for HIV will now be able to protect themselves and their communities. The Trump Administration recognizes the vital role of prevention in ending the HIV epidemic in America, and connecting members of vulnerable communities to prevention services and medication is an important part of the President’s initiative.”
    https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2019/...event-hiv.html

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    What a monster.
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    Exclamation Wealth Spread, TrumpCare Socialized Medicine

    The Trump GOP has moved into the lead in socialism, beating out Bernie Sanders & AOC.

    Wealth Spread trumpkin style.



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    ''you can keep your doctor''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    ''you can keep your doctor''
    "period, end of story"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    "period, end of story"
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Globalist again.


    ha ha, note the post before mine, Socialism is good but when a non socialist applies anything like it ,
    it's evil .....


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    Exclamation D & R party socialists - Wealth Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post

    ha ha, note the post before mine, Socialism is good but when a non socialist applies anything like it ,
    it's evil .....

    Socialism is BAD whether by the Republican or Democrat wing of the uniparty.

    Unfortunately Mitt, Ted Kennedy, Donnell & Bernie etc are all on the socialist train.

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    lthough more than one million people at risk for HIV in the United States could benefit from PrEP medications, only a small fraction get them. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force recommend PrEP for individuals at risk of acquiring HIV. When taken as prescribed, PrEP is highly effective at reducing an individual’s risk of acquiring HIV.
    I guess it's politically incorrect for HHS to say who's most "at risk"? But in any case, Trump's rewarding that particular behavior?
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    The tone of this thread seems to be indicating deadly disease prevention is bad?
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    The tone of this thread seems to be indicating deadly disease prevention is bad?
    The tone of the thread, here on a forum named after that old libertarian, what's his name, is that Uncle Sugar shouldn't be paying for it.
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    The tone of this thread seems to be indicating deadly disease prevention is bad?
    Is giving a God only knows how expensive preventative to a handful of people who could as easily avoid the disease in question by ending their risky behavior "deadly disease prevention"? Or is it "corporate welfare"?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    people who could as easily avoid the disease in question by ending their risky behavior
    I'll just add that there are a lot of myths about this disease. The original view was that it was mostly limited to homosexual men and IV drug users, and then that became politically unpopular, but that's actually true. Unless you're Magic Johnson, or a very unlucky person getting the wrong blood transfusion in the wrong place, you're extremely unlikely to contract this disease without said "risky behaviors." So, apart from the fact that the state shouldn't be paying for this (or any medicine at all, for that matter), it's quite easily preventable. I saw something the other day about this federal program; the stuff apparently costs $2000 per month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    the stuff apparently costs $2000 per month.
    Trump's motivation seems clear from here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Trump's motivation seems clear from here.
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Socialism is BAD whether by the Republican or Democrat wing of the uniparty.

    Unfortunately Mitt, Ted Kennedy, Donnell & Bernie etc are all on the socialist train.

    I guess my sarcasm wasn't clear, I as paraphrasing a post above mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The tone of the thread, here on a forum named after that old libertarian, what's his name, is that Uncle Sugar shouldn't be paying for it.
    This forum isn't for anarchists. There are legitimate roles, benefits, and uses for government as a Libertarian. Actually saving lives is a good thing.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.



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    Question Jack Booted commie libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    This forum isn't for anarchists. There are legitimate roles, benefits, and uses for government as a Libertarian. Actually saving lives is a good thing.
    Socialist nanny state big gov tyranny loving, libertarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    the stuff apparently costs $2000 per month.
    And after a person does get HIV, which there is no cure, the treatment cost is exponentially higher. What's the value of saving human life? If we could outlaw all abortion, but the trade-off is costs for pregnancy prevention or family support and adoption services, I think it's worth it.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    And after a person does get HIV, which there is no cure, the treatment cost is exponentially higher. What's the value of saving human life? If we could outlaw all abortion, but the trade-off is costs for pregnancy prevention or family support and adoption services, I think it's worth it.
    Doesn't the first part of your argument actually support abortion, given that the cost of prenatal care, birth, etc. is exponentially higher than the cost of abortion?



    Anyway, I don't think that anyone would disagree with you that prevention is cheaper than "cure" / treatment. The issue is the role of government.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'm going to need to be told the details before I accept the narrative about this.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    This forum isn't for anarchists. There are legitimate roles, benefits, and uses for government as a Libertarian. Actually saving lives is a good thing.
    The state isn't your pop-pop, or at least it oughtn't be.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    And after a person does get HIV, which there is no cure, the treatment cost is exponentially higher.
    ...which ought to be of no concern to the taxpayer.

    What's the value of saving human life? If we could outlaw all abortion, but the trade-off is costs for pregnancy prevention or family support and adoption services, I think it's worth it.
    Oh Bernbro....
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    What's the value of saving human life? If we could outlaw all abortion, but the trade-off is costs for pregnancy prevention or family support and adoption services, I think it's worth it.
    I've heard this argument before. It works great for supporting gun control, hate speech laws, and a whole myriad of things that should make anyone with a semblance of libertarianism in them violently puke.
    "Self conquest is the greatest of all victories." - Plato

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown View Post
    I've heard this argument before. It works great for supporting gun control, hate speech laws, and a whole myriad of things that should make anyone with a semblance of libertarianism in them violently puke.
    Protecting the unborn has no relation to the things you mentioned.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Protecting the unborn has no relation to the things you mentioned.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    What's the value of saving human life? If we could outlaw all abortion, but the trade-off is costs for pregnancy prevention or family support and adoption services, I think it's worth it.
    You presented a "tug at your heart strings argument" of preventing loss of life as justification to expand government control and more theft of my money, hence loss of my right to my gains. It's the exact same argument as the as the things I mentioned.

    "If it just saves the lives of a few children per year, then banning "X" firearms is, I think, worth it"

    "If it prevents just one person from experiencing alienation or bigotry or worse.....resorting to suicide, then banning "X" speech is, I think, worth it"
    "Self conquest is the greatest of all victories." - Plato

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    This forum isn't for anarchists. There are legitimate roles, benefits, and uses for government as a Libertarian. Actually saving lives is a good thing.
    +rep

    Any good minarchist recognizes that government is needed for things such as roads, military, police, and free HIV prevention medication for everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown View Post
    You presented a "tug at your heart strings argument" of preventing loss of life as justification to expand government control and more theft of my money, hence loss of my right to my gains. It's the exact same argument as the as the things I mentioned.

    "If it just saves the lives of a few children per year, then banning "X" firearms is, I think, worth it"

    "If it prevents just one person from experiencing alienation or bigotry or worse.....resorting to suicide, then banning "X" speech is, I think, worth it"
    Imagine how many lives could be saved if everyone were guaranteed food, shelter, & free healthcare.

    Unless of course, you just want people to die.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Biased media won't give him credit for this but Trump with his recent global campaigns has proven to be the strongest POTUS in entire US history who has single handidly free'd GOP from the clutches of GOP's old-fashioned Biblical conservatives base.

    Trump administration launches global effort to end AIDS

    Part of Trump's anti-HIV initiative, Federal gov't makes drug "free"

    Trump admin. launches global effort to end criminalization of homosexuality



    Sep 30, 2015

    Michele Bachmann Believes God Could Destroy The Nation Over Gay Marriage


    Bye, America!

    By Curtis M. Wong


    Michele Bachmann is still vehemently opposed to same-sex marriage.

    The former Minnesota rep, who once dismissed the fight for marriage equality as “boring,” blasted President Barack Obama’s “dangerous policies,” including those pertaining to the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community, in an “Understanding the Times with Janet Markell” interview last weekend.

    “When we raise our fist to holy God and say that we are going to redefine marriage, we are going to be okay with paying a Planned Parenthood to cut up innocent baby parts and sell them for research, that clearly is a problem,” Bachmann said, according to Right Wing Watch. “As we have seen God render judgment in the days of Noah, in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah and so forth throughout history, what the prophets have told every generation is that there is a just God and the people must repent and turn to him. So, too, in this day of wickedness in our own culture, we need to do the same.”

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michele-bachmann-gay-marriage_us_560abcc4e4b0af3706ddfb8e



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    This thread shows why Libertarians have less than 1% support.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    This thread shows why Libertarians have less than 1% support.
    THIS thread?

    LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    This thread shows why Libertarians have less than 1% support.
    ^this.

    And this > (Bernie Sanders leads in CA-NH and NV in new polls) thread shows why free stuff and liberal socialism is so popular.



    Slippery slope though, next drugs for diabetes, cancer and other diseases could be made free too by government for the good of humanity?

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    Government handing out free drugs to prevent something? Sounds a bit like vaccines in pill form. Yeah thanks I'll get right on that one asap. /s
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