Democrats Now ‘Say Out Loud’ Intent to Turn America Blue by Immigration

[RJB]

@Anti Federalist @RJB

You guys are cool, we just have a difference of opinion on a single topic :-)

The thing is, I know where you are coming from. In a more perfect world, I would be on your side. I do take my stance with regret, but I feel that I have no choice.

[Swordsmyth]

It is not left versus right

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[Swordsmyth]

Nations exist for a reason, that reason is that people with different cultures have a habit of imposing their beliefs on eachother so people with the same culture set aside an area and say "this is ours and we will run things our way here", they have every right to do so and every right to control and limit what outsiders may enter and join their society in order to keep running things their way.

You can't have liberty without borders because liberty is a rare and delicate thing that most people and cultures don't value.

[PAF]

Nations exist for a reason, that reason is that people with different cultures have a habit of imposing their beliefs on eachother so people with the same culture set aside an area and say "this is ours and we will run things our way here", they have every right to do so and every right to control and limit what outsiders may enter and join their society in order to keep running things their way.

You can't have liberty without borders because liberty is a rare and delicate thing that most people and cultures don't value.

I do not know any down and out poor folk in Mexico, with dirt floors in the living room, who wants to work and provide food for his family who thinks, “gee, let me walk a couple of hundred miles to America, cross the border, and overthrow the government“.

To the contrary, I know quite a few who opened up businesses, employ people family and others, and complain about the taxes they find out they have to pay.

Sure, there are those who may take advantage, but mark my words I see more American white chicks soaking the system by having more and more babies down in Section 8, who live a mere block away from the Help Wanted signs up and down the street.

Dude, you watch too much TV, as in MSFoxCNN. Get out in the real world and see for yourself. And quit this kick about growing the Fed.gov once and for all.

[Swordsmyth]

I do not know any down and out poor folk in Mexico, with dirt floors in the living room, who wants to work and provide food for his family who thinks, “gee, let me walk a couple of hundred miles to America, cross the border, and overthrow the government“.

To the contrary, I know quite a few who opened up businesses, employ people family and others, and complain about the taxes they find out they have to pay.

Sure, there are those who may take advantage, but mark my words I see more American white chicks soaking the system by having more and more babies down in Section 8, who live a mere block away from the Help Wanted signs up and down the street.

Dude, you watch too much TV, as in MSFoxCNN. Get out in the real world and see for yourself. And quit this kick about growing the Fed.gov once and for all.

There is an entire "Reconquista" movement intent on taking the South West away from America.

And the worst thing is that those who don't deliberately do it with malice aforethought do it after they get here because it is just human nature and we are a Republic where the average man can exersize political power.

[PAF]

There is an entire "Reconquista" movement intent on taking the South West away from America.

Yep. When Obama tried it, every republican fought tooth and nail. When trump[R] proposes the same exact thing, every “republican” jumps on board. Except those who actually live near the border and want to keep their land/business/farm intact who are now required to hire attorneys and file law suits. And then there is you who believes we must sacrifice private property and liberty in order to protect and preserve it.

Strange, huh?

[acptulsa]

Get out in the real world and see for yourself.

Butbutbut the Gospel According to Zerohedge sez I should be scared to go look at the really really world.

[Swordsmyth]

Yep. When Obama tried it, every republican fought tooth and nail. When trump[R] proposes the same exact thing, every “republican” jumps on board. Except those who actually live near the border and want to keep their land/business/farm intact who are now required to hire attorneys and file law suits. And then there is you who believes we must sacrifice private property and liberty in order to protect and preserve it.

Strange, huh?

Your childish comparison of a small strip of land for a wall and the conquest of a huge land mass by people who will impose an anti-liberty government far worse than ours like the one they come from only proves you can't debate the real issue.

So does your attempt to make a discussion about any and all possible ways to control the border and immigration into a debate about the wall.

[PAF]

Butbutbut the Gospel According to Zerohedge sez I should be scared to go look at the really really world.

He wouldn’t dare, else would not know how to handle the truth. What a blow that would be as many letters, words and paragraph salads as he has written lol

[Swordsmyth]

He wouldn’t dare, else would not know how to handle the truth. What a blow that would be as many letters, words and paragraph salads as he has written lol

I am in contact with reality, you two are not.

[PAF]

Your childish comparison of a small strip of land for a wall and the conquest of a huge land mass by people who will impose an anti-liberty government far worse than ours like the one they come from only proves you can't debate the real issue.

So does your attempt to make a discussion about any and all possible ways to control the border and immigration into a debate about the wall.

Correction: a very small, 2,000 mile strip of land. Which in many cases separates hundreds of acres, businesses, and entire communities.

But you would not know that, because you have not taken the time to actually visit those areas for yourself. I have, and have first hand knowledge.

[acptulsa]

Correction: a very small, 2,000 mile strip of land. Which in many cases separates hundreds of acres, businesses, and entire communities.

But you would not know that, because you have not taken the time to actually visit those areas for yourself. I have, and have first hand knowledge.

What? You contacted the reality of the situation?

As dannno would say, wow, dude.

[Swordsmyth]

Demographics and the American Prospect

[Swordsmyth]

Far-left activists are letting the mask slip, and admitting that their plan is to use demographics to replace America’s white majority and create a grievance-based voting bloc that will usher in radical socialism.
Panelists admitted the demographic reality during the first day of the We Are Democracy 2019 Conference, which is still ongoing in Washington D.C. right now. Guests of the conference are speaking about social justice issues and discussing strategies on how to spread the far-left agenda.
“So that when we get to 2042 or 2045, whatever year you want to use, that we actually will not be suffering from what other countries like South Africa had, which is having the numbers but not having the power,” said Judith Browne Dianis, who works as the executive director of the National Office for the Advancement Project.

“We want… You know, people say demographics are not destiny. Well, we’re trying to make it destiny so that’s the work that we are doing,” she added to a response of “Amen!” from former Obama administration official Stephanie Valencia, who was leading the panel.


The exchange can be seen here:

Wait I thought they said this was just a conspiracy theory? pic.twitter.com/fn3U99x781
— zyntrax (@zyntrax) December 6, 2019

Dianis’ Advancement Project is an organization that is steeped in social justice rhetoric. They advertise their primary issues as voting rights, immigrant justice, education justice, policing and criminalization, and school-to-prison pipeline.
“Rooted in the great human rights struggles for equality and justice, we exist to fulfill America’s promise of a caring, inclusive and just democracy. We use innovative tools and strategies to strengthen social movements and achieve high impact policy change,” they write on their official website.
The Advancement Project works to get felons in the voting booth, promotes privileged athletes like washed-up NFL player Colin Kaepernick to disrespect the flag, and end cash bail to keep violent criminals on the streets.

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/libera...phics-destiny/

[jmdrake]

This will only work temporarily unless the Republicans suck at messaging. If the Republican messaging was better people that are here already wouldnt want unlimited amounts of people immigrating here to depress wages and take away opportunities and increase the cost of living.

If Republican messaging was better they would do better among certain segments of immigrants.

[Swordsmyth]

If Republican messaging was better they would do better among certain segments of immigrants.

Not better enough with enough segments

[jmdrake]

Not better enough with enough segments

Yeah. Piss on messaging. Just put out the worst possible messaging you can think of. That's the way to win.

[Swordsmyth]

Yeah. Piss on messaging. Just put out the worst possible messaging you can think of. That's the way to win.

Nobody said that.

But messaging alone won't solve the problem, only immigration control will.

[jmdrake]

Nobody said that.

But messaging alone won't solve the problem, only immigration control will.

Immigration control will not stop the demographic shift which is also based on birth rates. Messaging has to change. And part of the messaging is the idea that lumps all non-European immigrants in the same basket. Asians used to vote majority republican. Now they vote majority democrat. You can get angry about that....or you can re-consider messaging.

[Swordsmyth]

Immigration control will not stop the demographic shift which is also based on birth rates. Messaging has to change. And part of the messaging is the idea that lumps all non-European immigrants in the same basket. Asians used to vote majority republican. Now they vote majority democrat. You can get angry about that....or you can re-consider messaging.

The demographic shift can be halted or reversed but only if we get immigration under control.
Messaging is good but you can't educate them as fast as they can come.

And Asians are not good Republicans that just need to have their feet kissed right:

In the summer of 2018, journalist Vivian Yee amused herself with the thought that Orange Country, California, was once an agricultural, “conservative (think Richard Nixon and the John Birch Society) and white (very, very white),” slice of America. But “Chinese and Korean immigrants, and Asian-Americans from other states,” she wrote on the eve of the midterm election, “have made Irvine nearly half Asian.”
Asians, Yee noted, are reliably liberal on gun control, climate change, and public spending. Indeed, Michelle Malkin recently took a deeper dive on the same topic in these pages:

According to the Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund, 78 percent of Asian voters surveyed showed strong support for stricter gun control laws. Half of Asian Americans said police are racist. The AALDEF survey found 65 percent showed support for illegal alien amnesty and the LGBT agenda. Enrollment in the Democratic Party was highest among South Asian ethnicities; 84 percent of Indo-Caribbean, 83 percent of Bangladeshi, 79 percent of Pakistani, and 64 percent of Asian Indian American voters were enrolled as Democrats, compared to 59 percent of all Asian Americans surveyed nationally.

With the midterms at the time of Yee’s writing just over the colorful California horizon, Yee, along with the Democratic Party and left-wing intelligentsia, saw the writing on the wall. Five months later, analysis of the midterm vote by the Pew Research Center showed that 77 percent of Asians went for the Democratic candidate on the ballot, compared to 69 percent of Latinos and 90 percent of blacks. By November 17, all of Orange County had been delivered to the Democratic Party.


That former Republican State Assemblywoman Young Kim, a South Korean immigrant, ran and lost in Orange County to Democrat Gil Cisneros—even though she criticized Trump’s “hard-line anti-immigration stance”—should have worried conservatives. Kim’s fate indicates that minorities increasingly view members of their own racial groups who join the Republican Party as traitors, self-servingly embedded in the architecture of “white supremacy” on which the GOP purportedly is built. But these are bad and forbidden thoughts with which the doyens of conservatism do not permit themselves to be concerned.

More at: https://amgreatness.com/2019/12/03/d...ican-prospect/


And we don't want people who have to have their feet kissed in order to get them to vote for liberty.

[jmdrake]

The demographic shift can be halted or reversed but only if we get immigration under control.
Messaging is good but you can't educate them as fast as they can come.

And Asians are not good Republicans that just need to have their feet kissed right:

There are no "good republicans." You've got alt-righters pushing for Andrew Yang just because they want a $1,000 a month check. And Asians aren't wanting their "feet kissed." The H1B visa issue is needlessly alienating immigrants that might otherwise vote republican.

[bv3]

Immigration control will not stop the demographic shift which is also based on birth rates. Messaging has to change. And part of the messaging is the idea that lumps all non-European immigrants in the same basket. Asians used to vote majority republican. Now they vote majority democrat. You can get angry about that....or you can re-consider messaging.

But that isn't republican messaging. That paradigm comes from themme (the left, but thats not a dichotomy I like to embrace). Sword, and, others are just reacting to it.

Immigrants do not come here as blank slates, they bring the political biases from their educations, and previous lives, with them.

Not that native born Americans did any better job at preserving liberty at home.

[Swordsmyth]

There are no "good republicans."

Yes there are.

And Asians aren't wanting their "feet kissed." The H1B visa issue is needlessly alienating immigrants that might otherwise vote republican.

Yes they do, according to you they demand that we let them set our immigration policy or they will vote communist.
And in reality they want free stuff and gun control and lots of other anti-liberty stuff.

The H1B issue is not needless, we shouldn't be bringing in that many people because we can't assimilate the fast enough.

[jmdrake]

Yes there are.

Individuals yes. Group wise no.

Yes they do, according to you they demand that we let them set our immigration policy or they will vote communist.

Voting democrat /= voting communist regardless of how many times you say it.

And in reality they want free stuff and gun control and lots of other anti-liberty stuff.

And many white alt-right types like free stuff so much they are ready to vote for the democratic Asian.

[Swordsmyth]

Individuals yes. Group wise no.

Group wise yes, there is a significant fraction and maybe even a slight majority of Republicans who are better than the status quo in this country and would improve it if they were in charge.
And there are more than that who could be educated to be an improvement.

Voting democrat /= voting communist regardless of how many times you say it.

Yes it does no matter how many times you deny it and it has for a long time.

There are exceptions to every rule and many people are hypocrites.

According to the Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund, 78 percent of Asian voters surveyed showed strong support for stricter gun control laws.
More at: https://amgreatness.com/2019/12/03/d...ican-prospect/

And many white alt-right types like free stuff so much they are ready to vote for the democratic Asian.

And?
The "alt-right" is not really right wing, they are a hodgepodge of confused nuts.

[nikcers]

Individuals yes. Group wise no.



Voting democrat /= voting communist regardless of how many times you say it.

OK Bernie

[jmdrake]

OK Bernie

LOL. So @Swordsmyth and @Stratovarious falsely claim that only "certain people" get away with doing insults but you Trumpkins get away with it all of the time and not just in PM. This is a case in point.

[jmdrake]

Group wise yes, there is a significant fraction and maybe even a slight majority of Republicans who are better than the status quo in this country and would improve it if they were in charge.
And there are more than that who could be educated to be an improvement.

Again, you don't get it. Many reliable "vote republican" white alt-righters are giddy over the idea of getting a $1,000 per month check. So no. Simply being more likely to vote republican doesn't make someone "good."

There are exceptions to every rule and many people are hypocrites.

Yes. Many people white and black and Asian are hypocrites. And many people who own guns want stricter gun control for other people. Case in point is Ronald Reagan who gave wonderful lip service to the 2nd amendment but as governor of California passed stricter gun control because he didn't like the Black Panthers having guns and as president banned the import of machine guns as a part of the "defend gun rights" act. Or Trump banning bumpfire stocks, floating "red flag" laws and then pulling them back but coming out with an Orwellian "minority report" style thought crime system. Again, when it comes to actual actions taken, Obama was better on gun control than Trump has been so far. Not on rhetoric or on proposals but on actual actions taken.

Edit: Personal story. I was recently listening to a white conservative female talk show host (can't remember her name) who was covering the Democratic town hall where Kirsten Gillibrand went on a rant against Trump on guns. This talk show host, while defending Trump, missed the biggest lie Kirsten said. Kirsten falsely claimed that Trump promised a bumpfire stock ban but didn't deliver. I called in and pointed that he actually had done the bumpfire stock ban and I disagreed with him on that. She thanked me for pointing that out. Right after that a white female called in (I'm going by voices here) and she was a Trump supporter. She agreed that it was terrible that Kirsten had lied about Trump did regarding bumpfire stocks then added "I'm against gun control except for those assault rifles." Now that might not show up in your cherry picked statistics but there are a lot more republicans supporting this crap than you think. And more importantly, republicans will give a republican president a pass on stricter gun control. And by giving him a pass I mean not pushing for there to be a primary challenge over the issue. Case in point, you're not wanting anyone to primary Trump. Maybe if Trump followed through on one of his assault weapons trial balloons and actually passed an assault weapons ban you would...I don't know. Ronald Reagan is still universally praised by Republicans and even seen as "pro gun" despite a horrible record on gun control. Where are the "good republicans" who are willing to consistently call him out on that? Few and far between.

Edit: And since you are such a fan of groupthink based on polls, according to a recent poll 90 percent of republicans support universal background checks and 55 percent support a new assault weapons ban. So no, republicans as a "group" are not good on gun control.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...ns-ban-1452586
Republicans typically are more reticent to support new gun restrictions, and Trump campaigned in 2016 on his strong support for the Second Amendment. But the poll found that 55 percent of GOP voters were comfortable with banning assault weapons, and 54 percent said they would support stricter gun laws more generally. Ninety percent said they would back universal background checks for gun sales.

[Anti Federalist]

Edit: And since you are such a fan of groupthink based on polls, according to a recent poll 90 percent of republicans support universal background checks and 55 percent support a new assault weapons ban. So no, republicans as a "group" are not good on gun control.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...ns-ban-1452586
Republicans typically are more reticent to support new gun restrictions, and Trump campaigned in 2016 on his strong support for the Second Amendment. But the poll found that 55 percent of GOP voters were comfortable with banning assault weapons, and 54 percent said they would support stricter gun laws more generally. Ninety percent said they would back universal background checks for gun sales.

Yes, we know, freedom is not popular.

OK, so what next?

[nikcers]

LOL. So @Swordsmyth and @Stratovarious falsely claim that only "certain people" get away with doing insults but you Trumpkins get away with it all of the time and not just in PM. This is a case in point.

James Comey also a communist. Which party is he in?