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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's the lie you and the left spread alright.


    I refuted it multiple times and you ignored the refutation.
    It's a lie that Republicans trash talk immigrants publicly, and you proved it?

    Let's see what you really proved...

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Sounds like Americans.
    Only much worse.
    Can't you even go back and edit your own posts before claiming you don't do what you do?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
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    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??



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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It's a lie that Republicans trash talk immigrants publicly, and you proved it?

    Let's see what you really proved...



    Can't you even go back and edit your own posts before claiming you don't do what you do?
    You said that all Republicans hate immigrants, that is a lie.
    That is not the same as saying that immigrants are politically worse than Americans.
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  4. #63
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuarta.../#6f6002c23571

    In his farewell address to the nation as president, Reagan declared, “I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity.”

    Ronald Reagan closed the thought by adding, “And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Part of this aversion is due to what is widely seen as the failure of Reagan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act.
    You know, I'm glad you brought this up.

    Why didn't Ron Paul run again for president in 1992 after his LP run in 1988?

    Because he went to work for Pat Buchanan's team in his run in 1992. (which I supported)

    One of the reasons for that, was because he opposed the 1986 Amnesty Act. (And yes, I am aware he was not in Congress at the time of the final voice vote)

    Rated 83% by USBC, indicating a sealed-border stance.
    Paul scores 83% by USBC on immigration issues

    OnTheIssues.org interprets the 2005-2006 USBC scores as follows:

    0%-30%: open-border stance (approx. 197 members)
    30%-70%: mixed record on open borders (approx. 70 members)
    70%-100%: sealed-border stance (approx. 202 members)

    U.S. Border Control, founded in 1988, is a non-profit, tax-exempt, citizen's lobby. USBC is dedicated to ending illegal immigration by securing our nation's borders and reforming our immigration policies. USBC [works with] Congressmen to stop amnesty; seal our borders against terrorism and illegal immigration; and, preserve our nation's language, culture and American way of life for future generations.

    Our organization accepts no financial support from any branch of government. All our support comes from concerned citizens who appreciate the work we are doing to seal our borders against drugs, disease, illegal migration and terrorism and wish to preserve our nation's language, culture and heritage for the next generations.

    Source: USBC website 06n-USBC on Dec 31, 2006



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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You know, I'm glad you brought this up.

    Why didn't Ron Paul run again for president in 1992 after his LP run in 1988?

    Because he went to work for Pat Buchanan's team in his run in 1992. (which I supported)

    One of the reasons for that, was because he opposed to the 1986 Amnesty Act.

    Rated 83% by USBC, indicating a sealed-border stance.
    Paul scores 83% by USBC on immigration issues

    OnTheIssues.org interprets the 2005-2006 USBC scores as follows:

    0%-30%: open-border stance (approx. 197 members)
    30%-70%: mixed record on open borders (approx. 70 members)
    70%-100%: sealed-border stance (approx. 202 members)

    About USBC (from their website,
    www.usbc.org):

    U.S. Border Control, founded in 1988, is a non-profit, tax-exempt, citizen's lobby. USBC is dedicated to ending illegal immigration by securing our nation's borders and reforming our immigration policies. USBC [works with] Congressmen to stop amnesty; seal our borders against terrorism and illegal immigration; and, preserve our nation's language, culture and American way of life for future generations.

    Our organization accepts no financial support from any branch of government. All our support comes from concerned citizens who appreciate the work we are doing to seal our borders against drugs, disease, illegal migration and terrorism and wish to preserve our nation's language, culture and heritage for the next generations.
    Source: USBC website 06n-USBC on Dec 31, 2006
    That's the Ron Paul I voted for.
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  8. #66
    Reagan was wrong about that rhetoric and he was wrong to sign the amnesty bill.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You said that all Republicans hate immigrants, that is a lie.
    Why yes, you are lying when you claim to be paraphrasing what I said. Every single damned time.

    I did not say that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Well, I don't want to accuse you of making things up. So I'll let these guys do it:

    In 1986 I voted for the Simpson-Mazzoli immigration bill because we were told it would solve the problem of massive illegal immigration. In his diaries, President Ronald Reagan said he was going to sign the bill because we had to regain control of our borders. The Simpson-Mazzoli bill contained three promises:

    The government would make a concerted effort to control the borders.
    An effective employer verification program would ensure that only legal workers were hired.
    One-time amnesty would be granted for people illegally in the United States.

    All three promises were broken. The government has made no serious effort to control our borders. Employers continue knowingly to hire illegal immigrants without any real fear of punishment.

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You said...
    Are you putting your lies in my mouth again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    ...that all Republicans hate immigrants, that is a lie.
    Yes. What you said is a lie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Why yes, you are lying when you claim to be paraphrasing what I said. Every single damned time.

    I did not say that.
    Yes you did, you are the one lying about what I said.
    Originally Posted by acptulsa
    A good majority of voters are tribal, and immigrants can go there, go here (especially here), go anywhere on the internet and learn the Republican Tribe hates their tribe.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Are you putting your lies in my mouth again?



    Yes. What you said is a lie.
    Liar:

    Originally Posted by acptulsa

    A good majority of voters are tribal, and immigrants can go there, go here (especially here), go anywhere on the internet and learn the Republican Tribe hates their tribe.

    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Reagan ran on securing the border. He wouldnt get open border votes.
    When did Reagan run on securing the border? I proved he didn't do it in 1980.

    Oh, and Reagan signed that bill you're blathering about knowing full well it would legalize nearly every illegal immigrant who was here by 1982.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 12-03-2019 at 08:17 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liar:
    Ass. Hole.

    That does not say all Republicans do anything. It says the internet is full of Republicans harping on immigrants. Just like you.

    Wasn't somebody just banned for lying about what someone else said?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 12-03-2019 at 08:19 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

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  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Ass. Hole.

    That does not say all Republicans do anything. It says the internet is full of Republicans harping on immigrants. Just like you.
    This thread is about the Democrats saying their strategy to get more votes and win elections was immigrants not Republicans

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    This thread is about the Democrats saying their strategy to get more votes and win elections was immigrants not Republicans
    And the fact that Republicans actively and publicly dissuade immigrants from voting for y'all is germane to the discussion. It's about how you enable them to thump you in that department.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    This thread is about the Democrats saying their strategy to get more votes and win elections was immigrants not Republicans
    They admit to it publicly, the statistics bear it out along with recent history and it is only logical that people raised by socialist/communist cultures will vote that way but we are supposed to believe religious assertions that it isn't true.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And the fact that Republicans actively and publicly dissuade immigrants from voting for y'all is germane to the discussion. It's about how you enable them to thump you that way.
    It's nonsense.

    Nobody opposed immigrants as immigrants, they voted for the left for long enough that people noticed and said we shouldn't import enemies.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They admit to it publicly, the statistics bear it out along with recent history and it is only logical that people raised by socialist/communist cultures will vote that way but we are supposed to believe religious assertions that it isn't true.
    How much of the world is more socialist than the U.S? Mexico is not, for example.

    Or would you care to make a religious assertion that it is?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's nonsense.

    Nobody opposed immigrants as immigrants, they voted for the left for long enough that people noticed and said we shouldn't import enemies.
    Yes, thanks for the warning that you're posting nonsense. Or would you like to post one single example from history when nobody opposed immigrants as immigrants?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 12-03-2019 at 08:27 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    How much of the world is more socialist than the U.S? Mexico is not, for example.

    Or would you care to make a religious assertion that it is?
    LOL

    Mexico is much more socialist than the US and so is most of the world:

    Illegal Migrants Come Here as Ready-made Democrats — Here’s Why

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    When did Reagan run on securing the border? I proved he didn't do it in 1980.

    Oh, and Reagan signed that bill you're blathering about knowing full well it would legalize nearly every illegal immigrant who was here by 1982.
    Probably because it was not that big of an issue in 1980



    The land mines planted in 1965 took a few years to blow up.

    Funding of anti Soviet proxy warfare in Central and South America and NAFTA destroyed us.

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Probably because it was not that big of an issue in 1980



    The land mines planted in 1965 took a few years to blow up.

    Funding of anti Soviet proxy warfare in Central and South America and NAFTA destroyed us.
    It's almost like Bush planned it or something.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Yes, thanks for the warning that you're posting nonsense. Or would you like to post one single example from history when nobody opposed immigrants as immigrants?
    Would you care to post one example since Teddy Kennedy changed our immigration system where a political group of any significance opposed immigrants on the basis that they were immigrants and not that they were leftists?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    Mexico is much more socialist than the US and so is most of the world:

    Illegal Migrants Come Here as Ready-made Democrats — Here’s Why
    Your proof is a New American article asserting Mexican schools are nearly as Marxist as U.S. schools?

    Seriously?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Would you care to post one example since Teddy Kennedy changed our immigration system...
    You mean that 1986 law that was signed by Ronald Reagan, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    ...where a political group of any significance opposed immigrants on the basis that they were immigrants and not that they were leftists?
    That's not what you said. That does not matter.

    1. A certain portion of the population always opposes immigrants.

    2. Trump supporters did not make any distinctions at all, much less any that Spanish speakers could comprehend, when they spent 2016 chanting, "Build That Wall!"
    Last edited by acptulsa; 12-03-2019 at 08:38 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Your proof is a New American article asserting Mexican schools are nearly as Marxist as U.S. schools?

    Seriously?
    The New American is a very good source and the facts in the article show that Mexico has been far more communist than us for a very long time.
    We are only catching up because of immigration from places like Mexico.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The New American is a very good source and the facts in the article show that Mexico has been far more communist than us for a very long time.
    We are only catching up because of immigration from places like Mexico.
    Why didn't you post that part of the article? What I just read talks only about their schools.

    Someone looking only at our schools would think we could make Mao blush.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Why didn't you post that part of the article? What I just read talks only about their schools.

    Someone looking only at our schools would think we could make Mao blush.
    Try reading the whole thing, this is in the part I posted:
    Examining this Mexican Marxism’s roots, Showalter writes that in “the wake of the Spanish civil war, rabid leftists fled the country and first landed in Puerto Rico. Some stayed, but Mexico extended to them the entire educational establishment at the university level, and from there, they spread into the school system, to the earliest levels. They converted what had been education to Marxist indoctrination, and in the absence of any other education, it was all the children of these countries ever learned.”
    While this no doubt must have had a devastating effect, hard-core Mexican leftism actually predates the Spanish Civil War (1936 and 1939). In fact, a vicious, anti-Christian Mexican regime that took power in the 1920s under President Plutarco Calles would often imprison people “for wearing religious items, saying ‘Adios’ in public (which literally means ‘with God’), or even questioning the laws. Public worship was a crime punishable by hanging or firing squad,” as The Catholic Gene relates.
    This led to the uprising of faithful peasants known as Cristero War, which claimed 90,000 lives and was movingly and accurately portrayed in the spectacular 2012 film For Greater Glory (trailer below).



    As to Mexican leftism, it not only didn’t start just when the Spanish Civil War ended; it also can’t be blamed entirely on formal (mis)education. (This is true of leftism everywhere.) Today, the media and entertainment, especially, play a huge role, as popular culture shapes popular thinking. These entities also influence the degree of virtue in the people — and virtue, or lack thereof, is what really informs about a society’s fate and fatal mistakes.
    You can also just look at them electing AMLO and his policies.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Try reading the whole thing, this is in the part I posted:

    You can also just look at them electing AMLO and his policies.
    And what does that part of the article talk about right off the bat? The entire educational experience?

    Can we cut to the bottom line? In 2015, the U.S. (population 321 million) spent thirty percent of its GDP on welfare (not counting corporate and agricultural welfare) and Mexico (population 127 million) spent less than eight percent of a smaller GDP.

    That makes them more socialist how, exactly?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 12-03-2019 at 08:57 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??



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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And the fact that Republicans actively and publicly dissuade immigrants from voting for y'all is germane to the discussion. It's about how you enable them to thump you in that department.
    No one is enabling it besides RINOs democrats and political thugs. The liberals literally use political scare tactics to create useful idiots to create this narrative. Its not enabling thats the problem. Progressive democrats run the tech companies that everyone uses and censor conservatives.

  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    No one is enabling it besides RINOs democrats and political thugs. The liberals literally use political scare tactics to create useful idiots to create this narrative. Its not enabling thats the problem. Progressive democrats run the tech companies that everyone uses and censor conservatives.
    No one is censoring you, and you are convincing no immigrants to vote GOP.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    My tax dollars paid to fund ISIS and make fake beheading videos. Are you saying we shouldn't get our monies worth??

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