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    A return to Federalism to save us?

    https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/...d-us-civil-war

    At least half of Americans sense that their country has been taken from them. In 2016, they voted for Donald Trump despite obvious reasons not to: churchgoers, despite his lack of religiosity; women, despite his womanizing, small business people, despite his big business identity; advocates of civility, despite his plain incivilities, and so on. They voted for protection against government, big business, the media, the educational and even the religious establishments, which wage a cold civil war to push them and their “deplorable” way of life to society’s margins.

    But the election’s aftermath confirmed fears that mere voting cannot reestablish traditional American priorities. It has done and can do little to lessen the ruling class’s relentless pressures on how we live our lives. How to save a way of life while avoiding surrender, or a hot civil war, is the subject of anguish, and much debate.

    In principle, the solution is simple, sufficient, and deeply rooted in American history: what some call “subsidiarity,” previously practiced in America as federalism. As culturally diverse people sort themselves out over a vast land, only despotism can force each part to live in ways repugnant to its majority. Hence, I suggested in 2017 that just as people on the Right should be content with the majority of Californians’ decision to be a “sanctuary” from national immigration laws, those on the Left should be just as tolerant of Texans or North Dakotans deciding to make their states “sanctuaries” from Federal Court decisions concerning abortion or a bunch of other things.

    But avoiding civil war on this basis is inconceivable now because the Left believes it has the right, duty, and power to force universal adherence to its dictates’ utmost details. Nor can surrender purchase peace, because the Left’s dictates do not and cannot have a final form. Endlessly evolving, they are less about what is being imposed on America than about inflicting righteous punishment on inferiors—the appetite and power for which increase with every success.

    That is why the prescriptions of “conservative reformers”—foe example, Yuval Levin’s The Fractured Republic—deny reality. They suppose that economics, ever the ground of compromise, is the dividing line between Right and Left. Hence they posit that the American Left is amenable to retreat from confrontation, to live-and-let-live.

    But money has never been the point. America’s Left already has the bulk of the nation’s wealth. Residents of places such as Weston, Massachusetts, the suburbs of D.C. and of Silicon Valley, vote for the nation’s farthest-Left candidates with higher percentages than do those of zip-codes along the country’s Martin Luther King avenues. Power is what the Left wants, endlessly to replace the insufficiently faithful with the more faithful in ever more positions of power, from whence they ensure its causes’ triumph and its foes’ abasement. For Americans whose main concern is money—e.g., Wall Street—coming to terms with the Left amounts to playing the same game—just with different rules—pleasing different people by . . . pleasing them.
    For Americans for whom money is a means rather than an end, the Left’s hegemony over American society’s commanding heights is an existential problem. Over the past two decades, increasingly, we have begun to learn to live defensively in a world controlled by people who hate us, and whose ways we do not want ourselves or our families to imitate.

    In this regard, Rod Dreher’s 2017 book, The Benedict Option, is valuable. The book’s title is its primary problem for us. At the turn of the sixth century A.D., the young nobleman Benedict of Nursia chose retreat to monastic life less as an intrinsically desirable option than as a way of dealing with Rome’s rot. The degree of rot around him imposed the degree and modalities of retreat. We, along with Dreher, have all too little trouble envisaging the persecution of Christians that our ruling class may inflict on us.

    Judicious retreat is not an option, but a rational reaction to our predicament. We have already learned that with rare exceptions, the higher reaches of life in the corporate world, the media, academe, the major bureaucracies are now inaccessible to Christians—or, indeed to anyone who does not celebrate the ruling class’s cause du jour, or who voices sympathy with “mere Christianity.”

    As time has passed, silence and tact are ceasing to afford protection. We are learning to make life plans accordingly. The spread of homeschooling, the lines to get into charter schools, the sacrifices made for private education, the increasing popularity of alternatives to meaningless, expensive college degrees, attest to Americans’ coming to grips with our educational system’s top-to-bottom rot. The booming market for guns is neither more nor less than a gauge of decreasing confidence in the authorities’ capacity to keep us safe. Rarely, nowadays, do marriages or even “relationships” occur between people on opposite sides of society’s divide over abortion. Thus has conservative America already taken the biggest step to separate its most intimate redoubt from ruling class influence.

    No one doubts that more such adjustments will happen—not so much by choice as by necessity. Recent experiences in totalitarian countries leave no doubt about the difficulties and odds arrayed against trying to raise families and living in counter-cultural mode. The smaller the enclave, the harder it is to do that.

    Rather than counseling retreat for its own sake, Dreher urges such involvement in the public square as may continue to be possible, always keeping in mind that the goal is not to reform any other community, much less of the United States of America. Regrettably, that has ceased to be in our power as much as it had ceased to be in Benedict of Nursia’s power to save Rome. Rather the purpose of political activity must be to save what can be saved of one’s own family and community’s commitment to the good life as orthodox Christians and (and orthodox Jews) have always understood it.

    Judicious retreat may not be enough to avoid a civil war, never mind to deal with the other crises that sweep away nations. If war comes, it must be fought. Whether or when a time might come when such part of the American regime as may have survived could leaven something new and worthy, is not for us to know.
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    Angelo M. Codevilla is a senior fellow of the Claremont Institute, professor emeritus of international relations at Boston University and the author of To Make And Keep Peace, Hoover Institution Press, 2014
    Where is John Galt?


    When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? - Miguel de Cervantes, (Don Quixote)



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    Divide or die.

    Peaceful coexistence between communities with different beliefs is only possible between communities that both believe in small government.

    Peaceful secession would be best but the left won't leave and they won't let go, civil war is coming and after we win we must expel the leftists.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    As culturally diverse people sort themselves out over a vast land, only despotism can force each part to live in ways repugnant to its majority.
    Been saying this for years now.

    Forced diversity only works if backed up by the heavy hand of government...which is the primary reason government is working so hard at implementing it.

    Left to their own devices, people will, and should, self segregate, in order to live and work and grow communities of people that look like them and share their concerns, cultures, traditions, heritage and goals for the future.

    Study after study from around the globe, from all manners of cultures and ethnicities, indicate that such communities have people that consider themselves to be the most happy and contented with their lives.

    While here, in the bowels of a dying empire, among the most incredible material wealth ever amassed, forced diversity, invasion and displacement has caused mass depression, a drugged and enstupified public unable to even lift a finger in their defense because of the massive amounts of anti-depressant drugs pumped into them, combined with a poisonous propaganda machine running 24/7 in the background.

    Not just unwilling to defend themselves, even unable to mouth a coherent summary of what is happening to them, while deaths from overdoses and suicides reach pandemic levels, so much so it is dragging the overall life span numbers down, shows just how hopeless the same enstupified masses have become.

    SS is quite right: divide or die is the only solution at this point.

    This could be accomplished not so much through Federalism, but rather with Anti-Federalism, without having to dissolve the nation or devolve into bloody civil war.

    If the warnings of the Anti Feds had been heeded in the first place, the FedGov would never had grown so large and all powerful in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Been saying this for years now.

    Forced diversity only works if backed up by the heavy hand of government...which is the primary reason government is working so hard at implementing it.

    Left to their own devices, people will, and should, self segregate, in order to live and work and grow communities of people that look like them and share their concerns, cultures, traditions, heritage and goals for the future.

    Study after study from around the globe, from all manners of cultures and ethnicities, indicate that such communities have people that consider themselves to be the most happy and contented with their lives.

    While here, in the bowels of a dying empire, among the most incredible material wealth ever amassed, forced diversity, invasion and displacement has caused mass depression, a drugged and enstupified public unable to even lift a finger in their defense because of the massive amounts of anti-depressant drugs pumped into them, combined with a poisonous propaganda machine running 24/7 in the background.

    Not just unwilling to defend themselves, even unable to mouth a coherent summary of what is happening to them, while deaths from overdoses and suicides reach pandemic levels, so much so it is dragging the overall life span numbers down, shows just how hopeless the same enstupified masses have become.

    SS is quite right: divide or die is the only solution at this point.

    This could be accomplished not so much through Federalism, but rather with Anti-Federalism, without having to dissolve the nation or devolve into bloody civil war.

    If the warnings of the Anti Feds had been heeded in the first place, the FedGov would never had grown so large and all powerful in the first place.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Federalism has been on roll since before Lincoln's death, his death didn't even slow it down.*


    *edit, see my post # 15
    Last edited by Stratovarious; 12-01-2019 at 04:56 AM.

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    Will Durant on the decline of civilizations:

    Hence a certain tension between religion and society marks the higher stages of every civilization.

    Religion begins by offering magical aid to harassed and bewildered men; it culminates by giving to a people that unity of morals and belief which seems so favorable to statesmanship and art; it ends by fighting suicidally in the lost cause of the past. For as knowledge grows or alters continually, it clashes with mythology and theology, which change with geological leisureliness.

    Priestly control of arts and letters is then felt as a galling shackle or hateful barrier, and intellectual history takes on the character of a "conflict between science and religion." Institutions which were at first in the hands of the clergy, like law and punishment, education and morals, marriage and divorce, tend to escape from ecclesiastical control, and become secular, perhaps profane.

    The intellectual classes abandon the ancient theology and—after some hesitation—the moral code allied with it; literature and philosophy become anticlerical. The movement of liberation rises to an exuberant worship of reason, and falls to a paralyzing disillusionment with every dogma and every idea.

    Conduct, deprived of its religious supports, deteriorates into epicurean chaos; and life itself, shorn of consoling faith, becomes a burden alike to conscious poverty and to weary wealth.

    In the end a society and its religion tend to fall together, like body and soul, in a harmonious death.

    Meanwhile among the oppressed another myth arises, gives new form to human hope, new courage to human effort, and after centuries of chaos builds another civilization.


    And this, of course:

    A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within. The essential causes of Rome's decline lay in her people, her morals, her class struggle, her failing trade, her bureaucratic despotism, her stifling taxes, her consuming wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Been saying this for years now.

    Forced diversity only works if backed up by the heavy hand of government...which is the primary reason government is working so hard at implementing it.

    Left to their own devices, people will, and should, self segregate, in order to live and work and grow communities of people that look like them and share their concerns, cultures, traditions, heritage and goals for the future.

    Study after study from around the globe, from all manners of cultures and ethnicities, indicate that such communities have people that consider themselves to be the most happy and contented with their lives.

    While here, in the bowels of a dying empire, among the most incredible material wealth ever amassed, forced diversity, invasion and displacement has caused mass depression, a drugged and enstupified public unable to even lift a finger in their defense because of the massive amounts of anti-depressant drugs pumped into them, combined with a poisonous propaganda machine running 24/7 in the background.

    Not just unwilling to defend themselves, even unable to mouth a coherent summary of what is happening to them, while deaths from overdoses and suicides reach pandemic levels, so much so it is dragging the overall life span numbers down, shows just how hopeless the same enstupified masses have become.

    SS is quite right: divide or die is the only solution at this point.

    This could be accomplished not so much through Federalism, but rather with Anti-Federalism, without having to dissolve the nation or devolve into bloody civil war.

    If the warnings of the Anti Feds had been heeded in the first place, the FedGov would never had grown so large and all powerful in the first place.
    The Soviets accomplished this in Yugoslavia. After they left it quickly turned into ethnic warfare where old wounds were reopened.
    Where is John Galt?


    When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? - Miguel de Cervantes, (Don Quixote)



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    I found this paragraph in the article especially poignant to me.


    In this regard, Rod Dreher’s 2017 book, The Benedict Option, is valuable. The book’s title is its primary problem for us. At the turn of the sixth century A.D., the young nobleman Benedict of Nursia chose retreat to monastic life less as an intrinsically desirable option than as a way of dealing with Rome’s rot. The degree of rot around him imposed the degree and modalities of retreat. We, along with Dreher, have all too little trouble envisaging the persecution of Christians that our ruling class may inflict on us.
    Where is John Galt?


    When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? - Miguel de Cervantes, (Don Quixote)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    I found this paragraph in the article especially poignant to me.


    In this regard, Rod Dreher’s 2017 book, The Benedict Option, is valuable. The book’s title is its primary problem for us. At the turn of the sixth century A.D., the young nobleman Benedict of Nursia chose retreat to monastic life less as an intrinsically desirable option than as a way of dealing with Rome’s rot. The degree of rot around him imposed the degree and modalities of retreat. We, along with Dreher, have all too little trouble envisaging the persecution of Christians that our ruling class may inflict on us.
    Retreat in 2019 AmeriKa = Cel phones, Snapchat and American Idol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Retreat in 2019 AmeriKa = Cel phones, Snapchat and American Idol
    All whilst the machine marches steadily on.
    Where is John Galt?


    When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? - Miguel de Cervantes, (Don Quixote)

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    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    *
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Federalism has been on roll since before Lincoln's death, his death didn't even slow it down.
    Disregard the above, I assumed the author was referring to common usage of the
    term Federalism.
    I cannot appreciate this writers style, his title should have been along the
    lines of;
    ''A Return to Subsidiarity''
    Or;
    '' How the Term Federalism was Coopted by the Federal Government.''
    rather than the inane attempt to resurrect the antiquated usage of the term
    Federalism, expecting the reader to recognize and embrace it.

    I do appreciate though and agree with much of rest of the content of the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    *
    Disregard the above, I assumed the author was referring to common usage of the
    term Federalism.
    I cannot appreciate this writers style, his title should have been along the
    lines of;
    ''A Return to Subsidiarity''
    Or;
    '' How the Term Federalism was Coopted by the Federal Government.''
    rather than the inane attempt to resurrect the antiquated usage of the term
    Federalism, expecting the reader to recognize and embrace it.

    I do appreciate though and agree with much of rest of the content of the article.
    I concur, more familiar terminology without dumbing down would certainly make the point more presentable to those who are less discerning.
    Where is John Galt?


    When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? - Miguel de Cervantes, (Don Quixote)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    I concur, more familiar terminology without dumbing down would certainly make the point more presentable to those who are less discerning.
    I admit I was among the less discerning, only caught my mistake after wading through the article,
    I found it plodding and tedious at that, but there were some great points made all the same.

    We need a renaissance as Alex Jones has often pointed to (that we are entering it), a restoration of freedom,
    the return of our Republic. Today what is commonly known as Federalism, (governance at the highest
    possible level applied in the most complex fashion to all aspects of life in America) is killing America.

    Good management or the best management as I remember it, is that which allows all decisions and functions
    that can be made and applied at the lowest levels be done so.


    Our Federal Government did not create itself nor was it given the power over states rights, yet it has become
    the arbiter of its own expanding powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Left to their own devices, people will, and should, self segregate, in order to live and work and grow communities of people that look like them and share their concerns, cultures, traditions, heritage and goals for the future.

    Study after study from around the globe, from all manners of cultures and ethnicities, indicate that such communities have people that consider themselves to be the most happy and contented with their lives.

    While here, in the bowels of a dying empire, among the most incredible material wealth ever amassed, forced diversity, invasion and displacement has caused mass depression, a drugged and enstupified public unable to even lift a finger in their defense because of the massive amounts of anti-depressant drugs pumped into them, combined with a poisonous propaganda machine running 24/7 in the background.

    Not just unwilling to defend themselves, even unable to mouth a coherent summary of what is happening to them, while deaths from overdoses and suicides reach pandemic levels, so much so it is dragging the overall life span numbers down, shows just how hopeless the same enstupified masses have become.
    More and more Swedes are taking antidepressant medication

    https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/a...ressiv-medicin

    Published November 27, 2019

    About one million Swedes eat antidepressant drugs in Sweden. That's more than ever.

    Last year, about one in ten Swedish antidepressants were used. It has doubled since the beginning of the 2000s.

    Sweden is now one of the countries in the world where the population takes the most antidepressant medication

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    More and more Swedes are taking antidepressant medication

    https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/a...ressiv-medicin

    Published November 27, 2019

    About one million Swedes eat antidepressant drugs in Sweden. That's more than ever.

    Last year, about one in ten Swedish antidepressants were used. It has doubled since the beginning of the 2000s.

    Sweden is now one of the countries in the world where the population takes the most antidepressant medication
    That sounds great for the people who own big pHARMa stock.

    Why do you hate the free market?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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