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    NY bill would require HPV vaccine for children to enter school, daycare

    A concerned mom is warning about a New York bill that would require children to get the HPV vaccine before they could attend school.
    Under S298/A2912, a child would have to get the vaccine to be able to attend public school or daycare.
    Right now, the HPV vaccine is FDA approved for males and females ages 9 to 45 years old, to prevent certain cancers caused by human papillomavirus.
    “There’s definitely a large concern among the moms I know about this.”
    Laura Greenaway is a mom of two girls. She learned of the bill from posts on her Facebook feed, and now she wants to alert other moms.
    “It created concern and anxiety for me that this is not a decision that I can make for my own child,” Greenaway said.
    She doesn't believe kids should be required to be vaccinated against human papillomavirus across New York State, and Greenaway is not anti-vaccine.
    “My children are all up to date on other vaccines that are tried, tested and true. This is a newer vaccine with very alarming side effects,” she said.

    More at: https://cbs6albany.com/news/local/ny...school-daycare

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    Oh no, the autisims will git them now.
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    Does anyone here know any person who actually has HPV, or is this repackaged AIDS, where we are all supposed to get scared into line over something that basically doesn't exist?
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Does anyone here know any person who actually has HPV, or is this repackaged AIDS, where we are all supposed to get scared into line over something that basically doesn't exist?
    It has a lot in common with AIDS:

    Anal cancer rates due to HPV infections are rising rapidly, twice as common among gay men
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Does anyone here know any person who actually has HPV, or is this repackaged AIDS, where we are all supposed to get scared into line over something that basically doesn't exist?
    Seriously? You probably had it or have it right now.

    The American Social Health Association estimates that about 75–80% of sexually active Americans will be infected with HPV at some point in their lifetime.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huma...irus_infection
    Many people don't even know they have it, as often times there aren't any symptoms. It is more commonly known as genital warts, which will typically go away on their own. This isn't too bad for men, but it is a major cause of cervical cancer in women. I believe it is the most common STD in the United States. If it can be eradicated with vaccines, good.

    I'm not to familiar with the side effects. I'd assume this mom is going overboard with her claims. What I do know is it will save far far more lives than it will take. I'd also like to add, this mom doesn't have to send her kids to public school. I'd probably recommend she doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    Seriously? You probably had it or have it right now.



    Many people don't even know they have it, as often times there aren't any symptoms. It is more commonly known as genital warts, which will typically go away on their own. This isn't too bad for men, but it is a major cause of cervical cancer in women. I believe it is the most common STD in the United States. If it can be eradicated with vaccines, good.

    I'm not to familiar with the side effects. I'd assume this mom is going overboard with her claims. What I do know is it will save far far more lives than it will take. I'd also like to add, this mom doesn't have to send her kids to public school. I'd probably recommend she doesn't.
    No mom with any maternal instincts would "send" her kids to a public school anymore.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    Seriously? You probably had it or have it right now.



    Many people don't even know they have it, as often times there aren't any symptoms. It is more commonly known as genital warts, which will typically go away on their own. This isn't too bad for men, but it is a major cause of cervical cancer in women. I believe it is the most common STD in the United States. If it can be eradicated with vaccines, good.

    I'm not to familiar with the side effects. I'd assume this mom is going overboard with her claims. What I do know is it will save far far more lives than it will take. I'd also like to add, this mom doesn't have to send her kids to public school. I'd probably recommend she doesn't.
    I'll be brief...

    1- GTFO with "estimates". Numbers from studies or it's the same old pro-vax, unscientific bull$#@!.

    2- Women who don't want cervical cancer also have the option of not throwing down on every random dick they get offered.

    3- You don't know anything at all about what costs more lives. You only know what you were told about it.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    I'll be brief...

    1- GTFO with "estimates". Numbers from studies or it's the same old pro-vax, unscientific bull$#@!.

    2- Women who don't want cervical cancer also have the option of not throwing down on every random dick they get offered.

    3- You don't know anything at all about what costs more lives. You only know what you were told about it.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to fisharmor again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to fisharmor again.
    Covered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    Seriously? You probably had it or have it right now.



    Many people don't even know they have it, as often times there aren't any symptoms. It is more commonly known as genital warts, which will typically go away on their own. This isn't too bad for men, but it is a major cause of cervical cancer in women. I believe it is the most common STD in the United States. If it can be eradicated with vaccines, good.

    I'm not to familiar with the side effects. I'd assume this mom is going overboard with her claims. What I do know is it will save far far more lives than it will take. I'd also like to add, this mom doesn't have to send her kids to public school. I'd probably recommend she doesn't.
    It certainly doesn't sound like a vaccine that kids in daycare need, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Oh no, the autisims will git them now.
    P. much this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'm going to need to be told the details before I accept the narrative about this.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Originally Posted by angelatc

    Oh no, the autisims will git them now.
    P. much this.
    Another "libertarian" comes out in support of forced vaccines.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Another "libertarian" comes out in support of forced vaccines.
    This just in: authoritarian collectivist accuses libertarian of not being libertarian enough.


    More as the story develops.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'm going to need to be told the details before I accept the narrative about this.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    This just in: authoritarian collectivist accuses libertarian of not being libertarian enough.


    More as the story develops.
    When is that last time you heard Ron Paul say that forced vaccination is called for
    in the Bill of Rights, or even said he supports forced vaccination ?


    Are you a Libertarian in the same sense that Hilary and Obama have always used the
    Constitution as their guide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Another "libertarian" comes out in support of forced vaccines.
    I have no idea if this is needed or not but that isn't forced vaccination. This is voluntary. You have the option to not attend government school.

    As far as other vaccines, those should absolutely be required to attend school. If people don't like it, home school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I have no idea if this is needed or not but that isn't forced vaccination. This is voluntary. You have the option to not attend government school.

    As far as other vaccines, those should absolutely be required to attend school. If people don't like it, home school.
    Try reading the other comments already made in the thread before commenting. This bill is NOT just for government schools, but private schools as well, and one lawmaker has said they will also try to outlaw homeschooling, because they want to vaccinate the kids in school, without their parents' approval or knowledge.

    New York is becoming a Vaccine Police State. They already banned unvaccinated children from public places this past summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    New York is becoming a Vaccine Police State. They already banned unvaccinated children from public places this past summer.

    So? I am for that.

    Walter Block on forced vaccination. https://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/02/...-vaccinations/

    "Ah but suppose the Typhoid Mary refuses to be vaccinated; I argue she must be compelled to do so. Also, it is possible that the vaccination will not work for all possible victims. Suppose they are too sick to be vaccinated. I think it is the responsibility of the disease carrier to stop infecting other people, not the responsibility of possible victims to protect themselves. "

    "I agree with you. If the disease carrier quarantines herself to her own property, we may not force her to become inoculated. But this would have to be a very serious quarantine. Typhoid Mary would not only have to stay on her own property; she would have to insure that the disease cannot be carried by air to others. Practically speaking, she could make no such guarantee. So, I think that strict adherence to the NAP would justify compelling her to stop what is in effect her aggression."



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    This just in: authoritarian collectivist accuses libertarian of not being libertarian enough.


    More as the story develops.
    Many of these "purist" and " principled " libertarians on this site have exposed themselves as hypocrites. These people come at people like SS, Strav and I for not being pure enough

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    "Public schools are literal prisons for children and the only time many people will ever encounter violence in their lives."-Micheal Malice

    In case anyone is wondering here are the side effects of the HPV vaccine: https://www.drugs.com/sfx/human-papi...e-effects.html

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    Relax people. In this country each person has health privacy guaranteed via HIPPA.

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    We need to vaccinate the parents, and the pets, that herd thing is key.



    Nothing is Immune nor safe from mandates, so long as we have arrogant tyrants
    in charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    When is that last time you heard Ron Paul say that forced vaccination is called for
    in the Bill of Rights, or even said he supports forced vaccination ?


    Are you a Libertarian in the same sense that Hilary and Obama have always used the
    Constitution as their guide?
    You seem confused. There are no forced vaccinations in the United States. No one is forcing these parents to make use of free public schooling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    You seem confused. There are no forced vaccinations in the United States. No one is forcing these parents to make use of free public schooling.
    Fake logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    You seem confused. There are no forced vaccinations in the United States. No one is forcing these parents to make use of free public schooling.
    Just their taxes dollars funding it by gun point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    I'll be brief...

    1- GTFO with "estimates". Numbers from studies or it's the same old pro-vax, unscientific bull$#@!.

    2- Women who don't want cervical cancer also have the option of not throwing down on every random dick they get offered.

    3- You don't know anything at all about what costs more lives. You only know what you were told about it.
    Are you crazies actually trying to make pro-vaxxers a phrase? There is no such thing. There are anti-vaxxers and sane rational people who don't want to go back to the days of polio. Also, referring to such rational people as unscientific is a real knee slapper and perhaps just a tad bit hypocritical if you look at any anti-vaxxer literature.

    What I know is that about 250,000 women die each year from cervical cancer, with HPV being the cause of cervical cancer for 90% of women. Only a $#@!ing moron wouldn't vaccinate for HPV. Only a brain dead $#@! would try to convince others not to. It is one thing to do what you want to your own body. It is another thing to preach your idiocy to others. If you were just killing yourselves, I'd be fine letting natural selection take its course, but your self destructive behavior is also bringing long since eradicated diseases back and exposing the public. So not only are you tricking the naive and gullible among the population to endanger their children, you are also putting my kids at risk! Keep going, and you'll end up on the wrong end of all the public lynchings that will ensue.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    Are you crazies actually trying to make pro-vaxxers a phrase? There is no such thing. There are anti-vaxxers and sane rational people who don't want to go back to the days of polio. Also, referring to such rational people as unscientific is a real knee slapper and perhaps just a tad bit hypocritical if you look at any anti-vaxxer literature.

    What I know is that about 250,000 women die each year from cervical cancer, with HPV being the cause of cervical cancer for 90% of women. Only a $#@!ing moron wouldn't vaccinate for HPV. Only a brain dead $#@! would try to convince others not to. It is one thing to do what you want to your own body. It is another thing to preach your idiocy to others. If you were just killing yourselves, I'd be fine letting natural selection take its course, but your self destructive behavior is also bringing long since eradicated diseases back and exposing the public. So not only are you tricking the naive and gullible among the population to endanger their children, you are also putting my kids at risk! Keep going, and you'll end up on the wrong end of all the public lynchings that will ensue.
    Once again, why does a kid in daycare need to be vaccinated against an STD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    Are you crazies actually trying to make pro-vaxxers a phrase? There is no such thing. There are anti-vaxxers and sane rational people who don't want to go back to the days of polio. Also, referring to such rational people as unscientific is a real knee slapper and perhaps just a tad bit hypocritical if you look at any anti-vaxxer literature.

    What I know is that about 250,000 women die each year from cervical cancer, with HPV being the cause of cervical cancer for 90% of women. Only a $#@!ing moron wouldn't vaccinate for HPV. Only a brain dead $#@! would try to convince others not to. It is one thing to do what you want to your own body. It is another thing to preach your idiocy to others. If you were just killing yourselves, I'd be fine letting natural selection take its course, but your self destructive behavior is also bringing long since eradicated diseases back and exposing the public. So not only are you tricking the naive and gullible among the population to endanger their children, you are also putting my kids at risk! Keep going, and you'll end up on the wrong end of all the public lynchings that will ensue.
    Charming;

    Personal attacks insults and cloaked death threats/wishes all rolled into one, but tos don't apply here, ''we can't
    be everywhere all the time.'' Another example of randomly applied 'rules' .






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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    Are you crazies actually trying to make pro-vaxxers a phrase? There is no such thing. There are anti-vaxxers and sane rational people who don't want to go back to the days of polio. Also, referring to such rational people as unscientific is a real knee slapper and perhaps just a tad bit hypocritical if you look at any anti-vaxxer literature.

    What I know is that about 250,000 women die each year from cervical cancer, with HPV being the cause of cervical cancer for 90% of women. Only a $#@!ing moron wouldn't vaccinate for HPV. Only a brain dead $#@! would try to convince others not to. It is one thing to do what you want to your own body. It is another thing to preach your idiocy to others. If you were just killing yourselves, I'd be fine letting natural selection take its course, but your self destructive behavior is also bringing long since eradicated diseases back and exposing the public. So not only are you tricking the naive and gullible among the population to endanger their children, you are also putting my kids at risk! Keep going, and you'll end up on the wrong end of all the public lynchings that will ensue.

    Libertarians are not anti vaxxers, that's something you got from angie, we are antil mandaters' , we are against
    tyranny.

    But yea, carry on with your threats and personal attacks.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Libertarians are not anti vaxxers, that's something you got from angie, we are antil mandaters' , we are against
    tyranny.

    But yea, carry on with your threats and personal attacks.


    Please don't pretend like libertarians aren't for mandatory vaccines at public school or that this is any form of tyranny. No one is forced to go to public schools.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    Please don't pretend like libertarians aren't for mandatory vaccines at public school or that this is any form of tyranny. No one is forced to go to public schools.
    You gonna' quote Ron and Rand Paul now, or any member here on this forum that is for mandatory vaccines, and please
    don't go on with your death wishes/threats to anti mandate members here.

    We are not anti vaxxers, that's yours and Angies meme, not ours.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    Please don't pretend like libertarians aren't for mandatory vaccines at public school or that this is any form of tyranny. No one is forced to go to public schools.
    Everyone is forced to pay for them and that reduce many people to being unable to afford private schools or the time to homeschool.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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