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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    This is a gimmick, nothing more.
    I completely agree.

    The VCDL's efforts would be much better spent on voting & talking about voting, perhaps on a forum like this one.

    This thread should have included a poll.
    Last edited by TheTexan; 12-05-2019 at 06:59 PM.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    They can't just refuse to allow laws to be enforced. That would be highly illegal and inappropriate.
    That's what the Redcoats said.

    Are you now or have you ever been a tea drinker?
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's what the Redcoats said.

    Are you now or have you ever been a tea drinker?
    I enjoy tea but its sometimes hard to find tea that was grown in the US.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I enjoy tea but its sometimes hard to find tea that was grown in the US.
    That's because tea is unamerican.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's because tea is unamerican.
    That's what the globalists want you to think. America can build, make, do, and grow anything it wants - including tea.

    America invented iced tea, and in fact, is the only kind of tea I will drink.
    Last edited by TheTexan; 12-05-2019 at 07:12 PM.
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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I completely agree.

    The VCDL's efforts would be much better spent on voting & talking about voting, perhaps on a forum like this one.

    This thread should have included a poll.
    No, the VCDL's efforts would be best spent applying direct political pressure to legislators and getting the anti-gun politicians unelected next cycle.
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    No, the VCDL's efforts would be best spent applying direct political pressure to legislators and getting the anti-gun politicians unelected next cycle.
    Indeed! Getting people unelected is just as if not more important than getting people elected.

    I know I can always count on you for brilliant political strategy. +rep
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    No, the VCDL's efforts would be best spent applying direct political pressure to legislators and getting the anti-gun politicians unelected next cycle.

    VCDL Accomplishments


    The ONLY organization to get pro gun bills introduced in every legislative session since 1997



    2019

    Helped with passage of 4 pro-gun bills out of the General Assembly, with 3 of them being signed into law: private/religious schools allowed to have armed security officers; persons with their gun-rights restored have that information placed into a police database so police are aware of the restoration 24/7; and military personnel who are domiciled in Virginia, but stationed outside Virginia, can apply for a resident CHP with the Clerk where they are domiciled
    Successfully stopped all 39 gun-control bills
    Successfully stopped proposed shooting and hunting restrictions in Loudoun County
    Stopped an attempted gun ban at the annual Steppin’ Out event

    2018
    Successfully stopped all 75 gun-control bills
    Successfully stopped a ban on shooting in Thunderbird Farms
    Worked with Arlington County to speed up issuance of CHPs
    Fixed an issue with Greene County not issuing CHPs in the required 45 days
    Worked with Page County Circuit Court Clerk to drop extra $2 fee for CHPs
    Sponsored a protest at the Falls Church library to bring attention to some deceptive wording on guns in their policies

    2017
    Helped with passage of 16 pro-gun bills out of the General Assembly, with 5 of them being signed into law: email notice when it is time to renew a CHP, allowance for plastic CHP cards, removal of proof of address requirement when changing address on a CHP, fix gun-rights restoration issue for someone who lives out-of-state, and allow the arming of school security officers in public schools
    Successfully stopped all 34 gun-control bills
    Worked with the Roanoke Valley Metro to reverse unlawful “no guns” policy
    Helped resolve an issue with the Henrico Circuit Court Clerk dealing with extra-legal requirements for a CHP
    Worked with the Town of Woodstock and Harrisonburg to fix unlawful restrictions on air guns
    Successfully had an unlawful ordinance removed from the books in York County
    Worked with the Town of Kilmarnock and Arlington County to remove unlawful restriction on firearms in their parks
    Worked with Franklin, Botetourt, and Roanoke Counties to remove the unlawful prohibition on the carry of firearms in parades and demonstrations

    2016
    Instrumental in getting an enhanced reciprocity/recognition bill passed into law that honors the permits of all other states. The new law will also expand the number of states that honor Virginia permits
    Successfully lobbied the General Assembly to remove 1) the second ID requirement when purchasing firearms and 2) the proof of citizenship requirement when purchasing "assault firearms"
    Created a huge media storm when it brought to the public's attention Katie Couric's and Stephanie Soetchig's intentional misrepresentation of the answers that nine VCDL members provided during the filming of "Under the Gun"
    Blocked gun-control organizations from getting recognition by the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors
    Successfully lobbied to kill all anti-gun bills in the General Assembly
    Worked with the Supreme Court to fix a bug in their CHP software that gave the wrong effective date for CHPs that were renewed at least 90 days before expiration of the old permit

    2015
    Successfully lobbied the General Assembly to pass a bill to provide protections to someone who inadvertently carries on K-12 school property
    Successfully lobbied the General Assembly to kill all anti-gun bills
    Convinced Newport News City Council to drop a legislative request for a permit to possess a firearm
    Convinced the City of Hopewell to drop a legislative request to basically gut the firearm preemption law

    2014
    Compelled Alexandria to remove the "No gun" sign from the doors of their police department
    Compelled Alexandria to update and redistribute a flyer which had incorrectly described Virginia's gun laws
    Filed an injunction against Fredericksburg for an illegal gun "buy up." It failed because the court said VCDL didn't have standing to bring the suit
    Under pressure from VCDL, Roanoke County backed away from establishing shooting restrictions
    Convinced Virginia Beach to drop a proposal that would make a criminal of a gun owner who doesn't report a stolen gun quickly enough
    Protested Stafford County Sheriff Jett's attempt to keep VCDL from having a booth at a National Night Out event
    Helped stop the Culpeper County Board of Supervisors from enacting hunting and shooting restrictions
    Compelled Roanoke City to remove two illegal "no guns" signs
    Successfully lobbied the General Assembly to kill all anti-gun bills
    Successfully lobbied the General Assembly to pass a bill clarifying existing law that a concealed handgun permit is not needed when transporting a loaded handgun in a closed glove box, console or other close compartment of container. The bill was vetoed by Governor McAuliffe
    Helped get Sussex County to repeal part of a noise ordinance which dealt with hunting and shooting
    Helped get Dinwiddie County to drop idea of new shooting restrictions
    Brunswick County changes concealed handgun permit processing procedures to comply with Virginia law after discussions with VCDL

    2013
    Helped defeat a proposed BATFE rule that would make it harder to get NFA items
    Helped defeat restrictions on hunt clubs in Amherst county
    Successfully lobbied the Gretna Town Council to approve a new shooting range
    Supported a proposal at a Bedford County Board of Supervisors meeting that would allow school teachers to be armed
    Supported the Lafayette Gun Club's request to be able to make changes to their buildings at a York County Board of Supervisors meeting
    Stopped a gun "buy up" by Petersburg PD that would have been illegal as it would have destroyed the guns it took in
    Compelled the Orange County Circuit Court Clerk to issue concealed handgun permits within the legal time frame
    Protested Michael Bloomberg's "Tyranny Tour" stop in Blacksburg
    Compelled Botetourt County to stop illegally photographing concealed handgun permit applicants
    Got a Writ of Mandamus issued against the Petersburg City Court Clerk and forced her to follow the law by 1) issuing concealed handgun permits through the mail and 2) only charging $50
    Held a "Bloomberg Magazine Giveaway," where some 30-round magazines were given away at a VCDL membership meeting
    Supported Sheriff Deeds, who had a pro-Second Amendment statement removed from the County's web site, at a James City County Board of Supervisors meeting
    Successfully lobbied the General Assembly to pass seven pro-gun bills, the most important of which locked away concealed handgun permit holder information from the public. All anti-gun bills were killed
    Successfully lobbied the Craig County Board of Supervisors to not limit the hours of the Potts Mountain shooting range
    Held protests at several Auto-Zone stores after they fired an employee who stopped and armed robbery and saved his boss's life

    2012
    Bills introduced on VCDL's behalf were passed & signed into law:
    Repeal the local fingerprint requirement for CHP applicants
    Prevent localities from banning firearms in personal vehicles while at work
    Prevent localities from requiring extraneous info on CHP applications
    Instrumental in getting bills passed & signed into law that
    Prevent gun bans during states of emergency
    Repealed Virginia's One Handgun a Month rationing scheme
    Allow a CHP to be used as ID for elections
    Held picnic in Pocahontas State Park celebrating the legalization of open carry in state parks
    Held protest at Richmond central library over badly worded rule that would discourage the otherwise lawful carry of handguns there
    Compelled Chesterfield County to take action on a poorly worded ordinance that caused police to erroneously believe that loaded handguns were not allowed in Chesterfield parks
    Spoke at a Crime Commission Hearing in favor of rewriting the concealed carry law to make it more understandable

    2011
    Bills introduced on VCDL's behalf were passed & signed into law to improve the issuance of new/renewal/replacement CHPs
    Instrumental in getting bill passed & signed into law that makes discharge of air guns on private property legal in all localities as long as reasonable care is taken to keep the projectile on the property
    Conducted "Operation Campus Safety" campaign to promote student & faculty right to self defense on state colleges & universities at
    George Mason University (GMU)
    James Madison University (JMU)
    Old Dominion Universit (ODU)
    Radford University
    Virginia Commonwealth University (VCU)
    Virginia Tech (VT)
    Spoke at Freedom of Information Act Council meeting in Richmond in favor of protecting CHP holder information from dissemination
    Successfully fought off attempts by the Sussex Planning Commission to severely restrict ranges in Sussex County.
    Hosted a series of VCDL public meeting where various law enforcement agencies discussed how they handle "man with a gun" calls
    Supported shooting range projects in
    Fluvanna County
    Bedford County
    Protested
    the Richmond Mayor's press conference supporting New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's gun-control agenda
    Martinsville's gun ban inside their government center

    2010
    Bills introduced on VCDL's behalf were passed & signed into law:
    Repeal the restaurant ban
    Allows a CHP renewal to be done through the mail
    Instrumental in getting bill passed & signed into law that did not require a CHP to place a loaded handgun in a closed container or compartment in a motor vehicle or vessel

    2009
    A bill introduced on VCDL's behalf was passed & signed into law that
    allows localities to be sued for having invalid, preempted ordinances on their books and
    allows for the recovery of legal fees upon prevailing
    The bill introduced on VCDL’s behalf to repeal the restaurant ban passed the House and Senate, only to be VETOED by the Governor for the 2nd time.
    A bill introduced on VCDL's behalf was passed & signed into law securing individual CHP holder data from disclosure by the Virginia State Police after several instances of newspapers publishing lists of CHP holders.

    2008
    The bill introduced on VCDL’s behalf to repeal the restaurant ban passed the House and Senate, only to be VETOED by the Governor.
    A bill introduced on VCDL's behalf was passed & signed into law that allows CHP renewals to be done up to 180 days before expiration and if initiated between 90 and 180 days before expiration, the new permit will become effective on the same day as the old one expires

    2007
    Compelled the Roanoke Times to remove CHP database from their website
    Organized the first “Bloomberg Gun GiveAway” drawing

    2006

    Instrumental in getting bill passed & signed into law to eliminate the requirement for fingerprinting of CHP applicants for renewals
    Established the Gun Dealer Legal Defense Fund to aid Virginia gun dealers fighting NYC Mayor Bloomberg’s lawsuits

    2005
    A bill introduced on VCDL's behalf was passed & signed into law that allows concealed carry in a vehicle on K-12 school property
    Instrumental in getting a bill passed & signed into law that removed the presumption that if someone was carrying a firearm on Sunday in an area where a person could hunt, that the person was hunting

    2004
    A bill introduced on VCDL's behalf was passed & signed into law giving full preemption protections to all gun owners in Virginia
    Got hunting regulations changed to allow concealed carry of handguns for self-defense while hunting

    2003
    Worked with Henrico Board of Supervisors to get permit holders exempted from the gun ban in Henrico parks
    Played a key roll in getting preemption laws strengthened so that permit holders were totally protected from grand fathered ordinances while carrying or possessing a firearm

    2002
    Worked with Roanoke and Salem Civic Centers to remove gun ban wording from signs
    Instrumental in getting the Governor to allow Concealed Carry in State Parks
    Compelled Arlington to drop its gun ban in City buildings
    Got a strengthened preemption bill signed into law
    Compelled the City of Richmond to remove illegal signs banning guns from City Hall Building
    Compelled the cities of Richmond, Hampton, and Williamsburg and counties of Isle of Wight and Franklin to remove illegal signs banning guns in parks and libraries

    2001

    Stopped an illegal Gun Ban in Henrico County buildings
    Derailed "Operation Scarlet Letter" in Bath County -- the sheriff's scheme to have vehicles display a sticker indicating that the driver had a concealed handgun permit

    1999
    VCDL originated technical & procedural improvements were made to the Concealed Carry Law

    1998
    Worked with legislators to get three pro-gun bills introduced. One, the bill to completely repeal the ban on carrying concealed in restaurants, passed the Virginia Senate, before dying in an anti-gun House committee
    Compelled the Prince William County Police to revise its Gun Safety Brochure
    Stopped a proposed City Gun Ban in Harrisonburg

    1997
    Defeated Fairfax County's illegal County Facility Gun Ban regulation in Court
    Derailed mandatory statewide FBI fingerprint registration of all CHP applicants

    1996
    Pressured Lowe's stores to allow Concealed Carry on premises
    Forced Fairfax County Police to revamp their "Firearms Safety Presentation" to remove anti-gun propaganda
    Distributed JPFO's "Gun Control Kills Kids!" literature at the anti-gun Stand For Children Rally in Washington, DC

    1995
    Forced Fairfax County to comply with the Virginia CHP law by eliminating:
    Personal history form
    Police interrogation of applicant
    Excessive fees
    Instrumental in getting Virginia's concealed carry law changed from "may issue" to "shall issue," swelling the number of permit holders from a few thousand in 1994 to nearly 250,000 as of mid 2010
    Engineered a change in Fairfax County's hunting restrictions to exempt persons lawfully carrying firearms for personal safety

  11. #39
    Gloucester became Virginia’s 23rd Second Amendment Sanctuary county on December 3.
    The Gazette-Journal reported that Gloucester’s Colonial Courthouse had a full house, with enough pro-gun supporters to “[cover] much of the court circle outside, standing shoulder to shoulder in support of a resolution designed to make Gloucester County a Second Amendment Sanctuary.”
    There was a 90 minute discussion over the matter, including input from residents who were overwhelmingly in support of adopting sanctuary status. The discussion was followed by a unanimous vote in favor the Second Amendment Sanctuary declaration.

    More at: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ctuary-status/
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    VCDL Accomplishments


    The ONLY organization to get pro gun bills introduced in every legislative session since 1997
    LOL it is hilarious they tout that as an accomplishment because it is no big deal to get bills introduced. How many of them were they able to get pushed to the floor for a full vote? That is critical.

    No doubt VCDL does some good things, but they need to step up their game and focus on things that will move the ball forward.
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    LOL it is hilarious they tout that as an accomplishment because it is no big deal to get bills introduced. How many of them were they able to get pushed to the floor for a full vote? That is critical.

    No doubt VCDL does some good things, but they need to step up their game and focus on things that will move the ball forward.
    So you just read the first line and bypassed the rest of my post?
    To be honest, it just seems like you're trying to boost yourself up by knocking others down.
    Maybe I'm wrong in that assessment or maybe I'm reading something into your posts that's not actually there, but I can't think of any other reason why you would be posting what you're posting. Doesn't make much sense to me.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    So you just read the first line and bypassed the rest of my post?
    To be honest, it just seems like you're trying to boost yourself up by knocking others down.
    Maybe I'm wrong in that assessment or maybe I'm reading something into your posts that's not actually there, but I can't think of any other reason why you would be posting what you're posting. Doesn't make much sense to me.
    No kidding, I mean damn, I don't think ANY OTHER gun rights group at any level anywhere in the world can fall back on the list of laurels you posted.

    I kind of think he *had* to ignore all that... I mean I'm not him but it seems to me like he tried to be a clean man playing a dirty man's game and never figured out that it's literally impossible.

    Now presented with evidence that clean men can play clean games and win, he has only two choices: either admit he wasted a large chunk of his life, or ignore the facts.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

  16. #43
    As a result of a number of proposed anti-gun bills in Virginia, many of its cities and counties have declared themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries. However, one county went above and beyond by passing a Militia Resolution.
    This resolution codifies the establishment and maintenance of a de facto militia in Tazewell county.
    Firearms News reached out to the Tazewell councilman Thomas Lester, who is also a professor of American History and Political Science.

    Lester argued, “Declaring our county a Second Amendment Sanctuary is a great first step, however, Virginia is unique because of its constitution. Under Article 1 section 13 of the VA Constitution, VA must maintain a well-regulated militia composed of its people to validate its authority.”

    More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/virgin...-control-wave/
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  17. #44
    A crowd gives a standing ovation after members of the Chesapeake City Council voted to designate Chesapeake as a "Second Amendment constitutional city" on Tuesday, Dec. 10, 2019. (Kaitlin McKeown/Virginia Media) A line of around 1,200 people led from the steps of Chesapeake’s city hall, past the building and into a nearby parking lot. Bright orange “Guns SAVE Lives” stickers adorned the shirts of nearly every person standing in the line and three men stood in front of the building holding Gadsden flags printed with “Don’t Tread on Me.”
    Their efforts were rewarded when Chesapeake City Council members unanimously voted to designate the city as a “Second Amendment Constitutional City” — a symbol of support for protecting gun rights. The vote occurred just before 10:30 p.m Tuesday.
    Chesapeake is the first city in South Hampton Roads to take action on a resolution.
    After the approval, the crowd in the chamber gave the council a standing ovation and cheered, clapped and whistled.
    Mayor Rick West and Councilmen Robert Ike and Stephen Best were the only members who spoke before the vote and vowed to protect the citizens’ constitutional rights.
    Gun rights supporters have approached more than 50 cities and counties in Virginia, asking local governments to pass resolutions stating that public funds will not be used to limit gun rights allowed by the Second Amendment.

    (Excerpt) Read more at pilotonline.com ...
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  18. #45
    Gov. Northam is, like Trump, a tool of Israel.

    Gov. Northam visited Israel and UAE 3 weeks ago, attended 30 meetings
    https://www.governor.virginia.gov/ne...849391-en.html

    Good lord, Israel even has an official department within the VA government
    https://www.viab.org/
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    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

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  19. #46
    A friend that lives in the county I lived in posted this. Seems Virginians aren't having any of it. And I say GOOD!

    Nelson County declares itself Second Amendment sanctuary

    On Tuesday, Nelson County became another name on a long list of Second Amendment sanctuaries in Virginia.

    The Nelson County Board of Supervisors voted 4-1 in favor of passing a resolution making Nelson County a Second Amendment sanctuary, to stand against any possible infringements on Constitutional rights some fear state representatives may pass during the legislative session, which begins in January. Ernie Reed, Central District representative, voted against the motion.

    The resolution itself was finalized after the agenda and meeting packet had been made public, causing some backlash.

    The final resolution declares: “Whereas, the Nelson County Board of Supervisors wishes to express its intent to stand as a Sanctuary County for Second Amendment rights and to oppose, within the limits of the Constitution of the United States and the Commonwealth of Virginia, any efforts to restrict such rights, and to use such legal means at its disposal to protect the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms, including through legal action, the power of appropriations of public funds, and the right of petition for redress of grievances.”

    Jesse Rutherford, East District representative, after reading the paragraph which was a late addition to the resolution, said it was on par with a vast majority of the commonwealth.

    “I might also add that paragraph itself is sitting with 48 other sanctuary localities. Let’s be 49,” Rutherford said.

    As early as 12:30 p.m. Tuesday, a line had formed outside the courtroom as residents waited for the meeting. By 2 p.m. around 200 individuals, most of whom wore “Guns Save Lives” stickers handed out by representatives of the Virginia Citizen Defense League, crowded inside the courtroom and spilled out into the hallway.

    The board limited public comments to an hour. At the end of the hour, 30 people who had signed up to speak had spoken and the vast majority had said they wanted to see Nelson become a sanctuary.

    The first speaker, Angie Branham, voiced her support for the Second Amendment and Nelson standing with it.

    “As a woman I have been assaulted and if I had had a gun that assault would have never taken place. This is our Second Amendment right,” Branham said.


    Supporters cited reasons including the Second Amendment was a Constitutional right that state representatives shouldn’t infringe on; that the right to bear arms was the only way to guarantee personal freedom; and that these proposed laws only harm law-abiding citizens.

    “The problem is the decay of our society and lack of education in every way,” said Steven Key, a Nellysford resident.

    Opponents of the proposed resolution said it wasn’t up to county boards to decide which laws to follow or not, that it was preemptive, and they expressed displeasure that not everyone who had signed up to give public comment was given the chance to speak and the room wasn’t big enough to hold everyone.

    “This concept of tabling this discussion seems like a really valid one given that when I came here there were people all the way back to the main hallway who couldn’t get in here. I don’t know how many of them are hearing this dialogue. I certainly think they should be hearing how our supervisors decide to process this and to hear your views as you guys talk. I also hear the resolution has changed since what was put out on the web. So it just seems bad process to me to go forward,” said Joyce Burton, an Afton resident who opposed the resolution.

    “I do not want you to consider this resolution. Gun legislation needs to be considered in a thoughtful manner that examines each proposed change individual rather than defaulting to major sweeping reactionary symbols which reduce the issues’ complexity to all or nothing, us versus them ultimatums,” Burton said.

    Reed said if the board votes on the resolution, he believes they should ask County Attorney Phil Payne, who wasn’t present, to weigh in on the consequences for the board and everyone should have a chance to see and read the resolution.

    “I have issues with the process and I have issues with the content,” Reed said before making a motion to table the vote.

    The motion lost, one to four.

    Thomas Bruguiere, Jr., West District representative, motioned to vote to make Nelson County a Second Amendment sanctuary and Rutherford seconded. Nelson County is the 49th locality, according to Rutherford, to become a Second Amendment sanctuary.

    “Right or wrong, you have to give credit to the move that’s going on. You can color [the] state one color; not Democrat or Republican, but the [Second] Amendment color. The right to bear arms,” said Tommy Harvey, North District representative.
    https://www.newsadvance.com/news/loc...zEwvHFSa_JYgVQ

  20. #47
    Virginia Has Become An Overnight Tidal Wave Of Second Amendment Sanctuaries
    The sudden flood of resolutions to protect gun owners will soon envelop most of the state.

    In a series of rapidly changing developments, Virginia is undergoing wholesale rebellion by rural and even suburban counties, rejecting the oppressive gun control agenda recently revealed by the new incoming Democrat-controlled legislature. Gun owners all across Old Dominion have been up in arms since anti-gun forces took the House and Senate in the recent election and are now preparing to resist having their arms taken from them in any way possible.

    Enter Second Amendment Sanctuary Counties.

    The county-level defensive tactic that began originally in Oregon close to a decade ago, then popularized in Illinois, has spread to over a dozen states. It comes as no surprise that with few other options and little to lose, many communities in the state are vowing not to take part in any gun confiscation schemes or enforcement of unconstitutional laws designed to make private citizens less able to defend themselves.

    The speed at which they reacted is a testament to how furious they are that their state government now wishes to infringe on their rights. An even dozen counties have passed gun owner sanctuary resolutions already, with new ones coming on a near-daily basis. Here's the list and what we know so far:

    Municipalities That Passed a Resolution:
    Campbell County - passed resolution on 11/7/2019
    Charlotte County - passed resolution on 11/13/2019
    Carroll County - passed resolution on 11/13/2019
    Patrick County - passed resolution on 11/18/2019
    Appomattox County - passed resolution on 11/18/2019
    Pittsylvania County - passed resolution on 11/19/2019
    Lee County - passed resolution on 11/19/2019
    Dickenson County - passed resolution on 11/19/2019
    Dinwiddie County - passed resolution on 11/20/2019
    Giles County - passed resolution on 11/21/2019
    Nottoway County - passed resolution on 11/21/2019
    Sussex County - passed resolution on 11/21/2019
    King William County - passed resolution on 11/25/2019
    Powhatan County - passed resolution on 11/25/2019
    Southampton County - passed resolution on 11/25/2019
    Wythe County - passed resolution on 11/26/2019
    Madison County - passed resolution on 11/26/2019
    Washington County - passed resolution on 11/26/2019
    Henry County - passed resolution on 11/26/2019
    Botetourt County - passed resolution on 11/26/2019
    New Kent County - passed resolution on 11/27/2019
    Town of Rural Retreat - passed resolution on 11/27/2019
    Bland County - passed resolution on 11/27/2019
    Town of Exmore - passed resolution on December 2nd
    Louisa County - passed resolution on December 2nd
    Halifax County - passed resolution on December 2nd
    Buchanan County - passed resolution and ordinance on December 2nd
    Rappahannock County - passed resolution on December 2nd
    Greensville County - passed resolution on December 2nd
    Russell County - passed resolution on December 2nd
    Culpeper County - passed resolution on December 3rd; Sheriff may deputize citizens to resist
    Roanoke County - passed resolution on December 3rd
    Gloucester County - passed resolution on December 3rd
    Goochland County - passed resolution on December 3rd
    Middlesex County - passed resolution on December 3rd
    Page County - passed resolution on December 3rd
    Tazewell County - passed 2 resolutions on December 3rd
    City of Norton - passed resolution on December 3rd
    King George County - passed resolution on December 3rd
    Allegheny County - passed resolution on December 3rd
    Amherst County - passed resolution on December 3rd
    Orange County - passed resolution on December 3rd
    Scott County - passed resolution on December 4th
    Augusta County - passed resolution on December 4th; will join lawsuit against state.
    Craig County - passed resolution on December 5th
    Surry County - passed resolution on December 5th
    Bedford County - passed resolution on December 9th
    City of Bristol - passed resolution on December 9th
    Buckingham County - passed resolution on December 9th
    Town of Crewe - passed resolution on December 9th
    City of Franklin - passed resolution on December 9th
    City of Galax - passed resolution on December 9th
    Town of Grottoes - passed resolution on December 9th
    King and Queen County - passed resolution on December 9th
    Mecklenburg County - passed resolution on December 9th
    City of Poquoson - passed resolution on December 9th
    Rockbridge County - passed resolution on December 9th
    Town of Rocky Mount - passed resolution on December 9th
    Shenandoah County - passed resolution on December 9th
    Bath County - passed resolution on December 10th
    Town of Big Stone Gap - passed resolution on December 10th
    Town of Bluefield - passed resolution on December 10th
    Caroline County - passed resolution on December 10th
    City of Chesapeake - passed resolution on December 10th
    Cumberland County - passed resolution on December 10th
    Floyd County - passed resolution on December 10th
    Greene County - passed resolution on December 10th
    Henrico County - passed resolution on December 10th
    James City County - passed resolution on December 10th
    City of Martinsville - passed resolution on December 10th
    Nelson County - passed resolution on December 10th
    Prince George County - passed resolution on December 10th
    Prince William County - passed resolution on December 10th
    Smyth County - passed resolution on December 10th
    Spotsylvania County - passed resolution on December 10th
    Town of Strasburg - passed resolution on December 10th
    Warren County - passed resolution on December 10th




    http://gunrightswatch.com/news/2019/...t-sanctuaries/
    Last edited by phill4paul; 12-11-2019 at 11:44 AM.

  21. #48
    Huge night for gun owners, 18 new sanctuaries, including in Prince William County, City of Chesapeake, and Spotsylvania County! There are now a total of 77 sanctuaries across Virginia. Tomorrow night is going to have another large number of localities considering resolutions!

    To check the full list and count of sanctuaries, remember to just go to the VCDL.org main page.


    Here are the new sanctuaries on Tuesday night:
    • Bath County - Unanimous
    • Big Stone Gap
    • Bluefield
    • Caroline County - 600+ in attendance
    • Chesapeake - unanimous! Massive turnout well over 1,300 people
    • Cumberland County
    • Floyd County - 5 to 0 - packed house!
    • Greene County
    • Henrico County - 3 to 2
    • James City County - Unanimous
    • Martinsville
    • Nelson County - 4 to 1 - overflow crowd
    • Prince George County
    • Prince William County - 6 to 2, massive crowd - past 1,000
    • Smyth County - Unanimous - 1,100 or so in attendance
    • Spotsylvania County - unanimous - massive, massive crowd - way past 1,000
    • Strasburg
    • Warren County - unanimous - well over 1,000 in attendance


    These localities didn't pass a resolution for various reasons:

    Fredericksburg rejected the resolution. Very low turnout. I think everyone was at the Spotsylvania meeting.

    Lynchburg failed to pass their resolution by one vote: 3 to 4. May reconsider in January.

    Newport News did not take any action but heard from a room full of people. If this is to pass, we need to massively overflow their meeting room next time.

    Waynesboro to vote on their resolution in January after hearing from a standing-room-only crowd on Tuesday.

    Winchester had 75 to 100 with GSL stickers in the chambers and more in the hallway. 10 speakers, all pro-gun. City Council went into closed session afterwards, but no resolution and no vote tonight. We'll have to see what they do next.


    More at: https://mailchi.mp/6f2b132eac68/va-a...aries-77-total
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  23. #49
    I am pretty surprised about Prince William. PW County has historically kind of been the new border between the North and the South. There's been a lot of development and carpetbagging over the last 25 years and I thought that line was getting shoved farther South, probably even past Fredericksburg.
    It's nice to know I was at least partly wrong.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    I am pretty surprised about Prince William. PW County has historically kind of been the new border between the North and the South. There's been a lot of development and carpetbagging over the last 25 years and I thought that line was getting shoved farther South, probably even past Fredericksburg.
    It's nice to know I was at least partly wrong.
    Surprised about PW, too.
    Democrats to take over BOS in January.
    Keep the pressure on.

    Prince William County’s incoming board of supervisors, who take office Jan. 1, will have a 5-3 Democratic majority. The outgoing board has a 6-2 Republican majority. Chairman-elect Ann Wheeler (D) said the incoming board would repeal a resolution declaring the county a “Second Amendment sanctuary” as soon as possible, if it is approved by the outgoing board.

  25. #51
    It probably deserves it's own thread but I'll just put it here...

    How do you respond when a majority of counties, municipalities and towns tell you to go pound sand over your gun control laws?

    Why, if you are a Democrat, you threaten them with the National Guard. That's what you do.

    Good luck with that.

    When the people you think you lord it over say "enough is enough" you might damn well want to listen.

    I certainly hope Virginia becomes a "Battle-Ground" state. It's jut a hop, skip and jump for me. Sic semper tyrannis.

    'The law is the law': Virginia Democrats float prosecution and National Guard for police who fail to enforce gun control legislation


    Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill say local police who do not enforce gun control measures likely to pass in Virginia should face prosecution and even threats of the National Guard.

    After November's Virginia Legislature elections that led to Democrats taking control of both chambers, the gun control legislation proposed by some Democrats moved forward, including universal background checks, an “assault weapons” ban, and a red flag law.

    Legal firearm owners in the state, however, joined with their sheriffs to form Second Amendment sanctuary counties, which declare the authorities in these municipalities uphold the Second Amendment in the face of any gun control measure passed by Richmond.

    Over 75 counties in Virginia have so far adopted such Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions in the commonwealth, the latest being Spotsylvania County. The board of supervisors voted unanimously to approve a resolution declaring that county police will not enforce state-level gun laws that violate Second Amendment rights.

    Virginia Democratic officials, however, already say local law enforcement supporting these resolutions will face consequences if they do not carry out any law the state Legislature passes.

    “I would hope they either resign in good conscience, because they cannot uphold the law which they are sworn to uphold, or they're prosecuted for failure to fulfill their oath,” Democratic Virginia Rep. Gerry Connolly told the Washington Examiner of local county police who may refuse to enforce future gun control measures. “The law is the law. If that becomes the law, you don't have a choice, not if you're a sworn officer of the law.”
    McEachin also noted that Democratic Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam could call the National Guard, if necessary.

    “And ultimately, I'm not the governor, but the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law,” he said. “That's his call, because I don't know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be. But that's obviously an option he has.”
    What we’re talking about here are laws that will make our communities and our streets safer,” Herring told CBS 6.


    “So, when Virginia passes these gun safety laws that they will be followed, they will be enforced,” he added.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...45plK8LE5HInuA

  26. #52
    Not damn good enough. Go pound sand.


    Virginia Dems Wanted to Confiscate ‘Assault Weapons’ – Then They Realized How Many Virginians Own Them



    Virginia Democrat lawmakers backtracked on a gun confiscation proposal on Monday, in the face of pressure from gun rights groups across the state.

    “I’m not going to lock up a large part of Virginia,” Senate Majority Leader Dick Saslaw, a Democrat, told the Virginia Mercury on Monday.

    Virginia Democrats, who in November seized control of both houses of the state’s legislature for the first time in more than two decades, made gun control laws a focus of their campaigns. But the gun confiscation measure, at least, has sparked outrage in a wide swathe of rural localities across the state.

    A pending ban on “assault weapons” will now include a provision allowing state gun owners to keep the firearms already in their possession, the Mercury reported.

    An early draft of the bill would have made it a felony to possess any firearm defined as an “assault weapon.” Gun rights groups were particularly concerned by the lack of an exception for those who already possess such weapons.

    The ban is backed by Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam, whose spokeswoman, Alena Yarmosky, told the Mercury that “the governor’s assault weapons ban will include a grandfather clause for individuals who already own assault weapons, with the requirement they register their weapons before the end of a designated grace period.”

    As noted by the Washington Free Beacon’s Stephen Gutowski, the move to confiscate guns faced immense grassroots opposition in the state, which has seen a majority of its counties declare themselves “Second Amendment sanctuaries.”

    “I’ve never seen anything like this, and I’ve been doing this for over 20 years,” Virginia Citizens Defense League president Philip Van Cleave told the Free Beacon in November. “It’s a sleeping giant that had been pretty much not paying attention to politics, and now they’re awake, and now they’re flooding these sanctuary county hearings. Flooding them.”


    “They were hoping to play that card later, but they’re playing it now because they have to find some way to slow down this whole process,” he said.
    https://pluralist.com/virginia-gun-c...jlWZaH4ITUFTqU

  27. #53
    Good to see Virginia Dems are triggered by all this. If they want to try and stop all this, go ahead. I'll graciously let them pick their first martyr.
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  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I certainly hope Virginia becomes a "Battle-Ground" state. It's jut a hop, skip and jump for me. Sic semper tyrannis.
    Yeah... we have a history of that, you know. We lost, and badly.

    Leftists have been working overtime at tearing down all the reminders of that event. It would be deliciously ironic if actively erasing the history of the last big fight is what emboldened Virginians to fight again.

    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Yeah... we have a history of that, you know. We lost, and badly.

    Leftists have been working overtime at tearing down all the reminders of that event. It would be deliciously ironic if actively erasing the history of the last big fight is what emboldened Virginians to fight again.

    Different battle. Different times. Four-G. And yes, it would be deliciously ironic.

  30. #56
    Threats of stripping funds, consequences to 2A Sheriffs, bringing in the Nat'l Guard...

    That's right. Keep exposing yourselves, you tyrannical little freaks.

    https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/1...ties-sheriffs/
    While several of Virginia’s congresscritters are calling for Second Amendment Sanctuary counties in the state to be stripped of state funds or to have the National Guard brought in to enforce new gun control laws, Virginia Governor Ralph Northam is instead offering veiled threats of “consequences” for sheriffs in Second Amendment Sanctuary counties unless they enforce whatever gun control bills he signs into law.
    Northam and newly elected lawmakers believe they have a mandate for gun control, but the 84 counties and cities (according to the Virginia Citizens Defense League) that have passed resolutions in opposition are a clear demonstration that support for these proposals is limited to the northern Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C. and other densely populated and deep blue areas of the state.

    Threatening counties with punishment for not enforcing unenforceable and unconstitutional laws makes it clear that anti-gun Democrats in Virginia are far more interested in targeting legal gun owners than gang members and drug dealers in the state. Rep. Donald McEachin may want Northam to call out the National Guard to enforce gun control laws in rural counties with low crime rates, but they’d be better off patrolling the streets of Petersburg, Virginia in McEachin’s congressional district.

    That city has Virginia’s highest violent crime and homicide rates, but instead of supporting targeted enforcement of the most violent offenders in Petersburg, McEachin and his anti-gun colleagues have made the state’s law-abiding gun owners their top priority.

    [B]Virginia gun owners aren’t blind, and we’re not stupid. The veiled threats to Second Amendment sanctuaries from the governor, and the unhinged comments from Virginia’s Democrat members of Congress just proves what gun owners have known all along; this push for gun control isn’t about public safety, but about turning a constitutionally protected right into a privilege.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    How do you respond when a majority of counties, municipalities and towns tell you to go pound sand over your gun control laws?

    Why, if you are a Democrat, you threaten them with the National Guard. That's what you do.
    It worked for JFK and segregation.




    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    When the people you think you lord it over say "enough is enough" you might damn well want to listen.
    Except that they are doing it in the wrong venues. Municipalities and counties are subservient polities to the legislature.

    The 2A activists need to be putting pressure on their legislators, not their county governments. Otherwise this is all for show.
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  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    It worked for JFK and segregation.




    Except that they are doing it in the wrong venues. Municipalities and counties are subservient polities to the legislature.

    The 2A activists need to be putting pressure on their legislators, not their county governments. Otherwise this is all for show.
    No. Not for show.
    These BOS meetings have never seen crowds of this magnitude.
    We already KNOW what is coming down the pike in regards to legislation in the NOW Dem-Controlled Gen. Assembly.
    Why do you think we are pro-actively coming out by the thousands in our localities, to our BOS, to our Sheriffs, Prosecutors, etc?

    Court cases will no doubt ensue if our tyrannical legislature passes these laws. It will be the enforcement, it will be in the judicial system where the major fights will inevitably take place. This is just the start of the fight. I mean, the very, very tip of the iceberg here. Yes, putting pressure on the legislature, of course I agree with you 100%, Matt. But the problem is, we already know we're up against there. When you foresee the future, you can start planning to counteract it before you even get to the main fight.

    Listen to their resolution:
    Starting at 8:10


    17:28 - Their Commonwealth Attorney and Their sheriff were asked if they were going to abide by this order: "YES."
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  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Good to see Virginia Dems are triggered by all this. If they want to try and stop all this, go ahead. I'll graciously let them pick their first martyr.
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  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    No. Not for show.
    These BOS meetings have never seen crowds of this magnitude.
    We already KNOW what is coming down the pike in regards to legislation in the NOW Dem-Controlled Gen. Assembly.
    Why do you think we are pro-actively coming out by the thousands in our localities, to our BOS, to our Sheriffs, Prosecutors, etc?

    Court cases will no doubt ensue if our tyrannical legislature passes these laws. It will be the enforcement, it will be in the judicial system where the major fights will inevitably take place. This is just the start of the fight. I mean, the very, very tip of the iceberg here. Yes, putting pressure on the legislature, of course I agree with you 100%, Matt. But the problem is, we already know we're up against there. When you foresee the future, you can start planning to counteract it before you even get to the main fight.

    Listen to their resolution:
    Starting at 8:10


    17:28 - Their Commonwealth Attorney and Their sheriff were asked if they were going to abide by this order: "YES."

    I think Matt has a point. But both are important. Strength in numbers locally but must be followed by pressure on the legislature. Can't get complacent.
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