Trump Is First to Use PATRIOT Act to Detain a Man Forever

[RJB]

Poor guy is in a legal limbo, but I gotta solution.

So this isn't an immigration issue, he was here illegally. He's an invader. He cut checks to enemies-- I doubt after time served he wants to pledge an oath to the Constitution and be a good neighbor. However, his home country doesn't want him back. Here in this country, even Ender won't give him a roof over his head.


Solution:
Give him a boat, with six months provisions and let him go in the ocean of his choosing. Simple.

[Swordsmyth]

Poor guy is in a legal limbo, but I gotta solution.

So this isn't an immigration issue, he was here illegally. He's an invader. He cut checks to enemies-- I doubt after time served he wants to pledge an oath to the Constitution and be a good neighbor. However, his home country doesn't want him back. Here in this country, even Ender won't give him a roof over his head.


Solution:
Give him a boat, with six months provisions and let him go in the ocean of his choosing. Simple.

Any ocean but not on our side of it.

[jon4liberty]

Their culture was far more compatible with ours and it still contributed to the loss of liberty here.

This. Comparing an Irish catholic to a Muslim Lebanese or Palestinian is like oranges to apples

[RJB]

Unlimited detention without any charges. He has not committed any violent crimes (or been accused of any) and served his sentence. He should be freed.

I agree he should go free, but where? Does violating immigration laws, committing crimes, and serving prison time make someone an American these days?

[jon4liberty]

If I understand correctly he was funding terrorists and after serving 15 years no country wanted him back. We should let him on the streets here?Yet the liberaltarians on here cant open up their couch in their mom's basement for this guy? Pffft....

[Swordsmyth]

This. Comparing an Irish catholic to a Muslim Lebanese or Palestinian is like oranges to apples

Or oranges to poison berries.

[Stratovarious]

Unlimited detention without any charges. He has not committed any violent crimes (or been accused of any) and served his sentence. He should be freed.

You really think this is $#@!ing OK? Anyone can be next!

The prevailing attitude around here really seems to have become that totalitarianism is just fine as long as it's pointed in the "right" direction. After all, it's the only way to preserve what's left of our "liberty culture." Just ask SS.

1) They weren't being held under the PATRIOT act.

2) This guy isn't being held without trial. He's being held after trial.

3) The GITMO excuse is that they are military detainees in military detention for military trial for an undeclared war. This is a civil/civilian action.



As with everything else in the United States, the government will trial-run their newfound powers against some type of person who is easily dismissed as 'not deserving' of rights by half of Americans. It will work.

So , if I have this right, this man is not a US Citizen, what would the three four of you have us do with
this man?

:crickets: chirp chirp chirp,,,,
funny to see how wound up you guys get , then ; :crickets: tiny crickets....

[Swordsmyth]

:crickets: chirp chirp chirp,,,,
funny to see how wound up you guys get , then ; :crickets: tiny crickets....

It's almost like their plan is to allow enemies who want to kill us to invade and eventually claim citizenship/voting rights.

[jon4liberty]

:crickets: chirp chirp chirp,,,,
funny to see how wound up you guys get , then ; :crickets: tiny crickets....

Maybe taking a nap after mommy's chicken nuggies and kraft mac and cheese

[Stratovarious]

It's almost like their plan is to allow enemies who want to kill us to invade and eventually claim citizenship/voting rights.

I've read their play book , I think you nailed it.....

[Stratovarious]

Maybe taking a nap after mommy's chicken nuggies and kraft mac and cheese

I bet they refuse to nap unless without their fuzzy slippers.

[RJB]

:crickets: chirp chirp chirp,,,,
funny to see how wound up you guys get , then ; :crickets: tiny crickets....

Give them some time. I sometimes stay away from this forum and the internet for a few days at a time. Also, Zippy's job might include posting this article on other forums.

[Stratovarious]

Give them some time. I sometimes stay away from this forum and the internet for a few days at a time. Also, Zippy's job might include posting this article on other forums.

You may be right, but my impression is that they take their laptops into the hot tub and the rpf screen never
dims.

[Stratovarious]

Australia is taken , maybe we need to discover another continent where people that
aren't welcome anywhere can be sent , start over , and make something of their lives.

I might even give it some consideration myself.

[Swordsmyth]

Australia is taken , maybe we need to discover another continent where people that
aren't welcome anywhere can be sent , start over , and make something of their lives.

I might even give it some consideration myself.

We could send this guy to Antarctica.

[Stratovarious]

We could send this guy to Antarctica.

Perfect , and according to Al Gore's GW predictions, this time of year should be like
a Miami Spring.

[TheCount]

This is still not a first. The whole thing people hate about the patriot act was it circumvents the bill of rights which is unconstitutional. This guy isnt even American. This title is click bait fake news.

It's the first use of the PATRIOT act authority for indefinite detention. Previous presidents used other, equally bull$#@!, authorities.

He is in prison because he gave money to extremist Muslim charities who will launder it to terrorist cells.

No. He was in prison for that reason. Then he completed his sentence. Why is he in prison now?

[TheCount]

So , if I have this right, this man is not a US Citizen, what would the three of you have us do with
this man?

:crickets: chirp chirp chirp,,,,
funny to see how wound up you guys get , then ; :crickets: tiny crickets....

Two hours? Really?

Unlike some others, posting on here is neither my job nor my life. Get over it.

So , if I have this right, this man is not a US Citizen, what would the three of you have us do with
this man?

Not imprison him forever.

[Swordsmyth]

No. He was in prison for that reason. Then he completed his sentence. Why is he in prison now?

Because he has no right to be released in America and nowhere else will take him.

Not imprison him forever.

That's what you wouldn't do.
What would you do?

Several suggestions have been made that aren't imprisoning him forever.

It's almost like their plan is to allow enemies who want to kill us to invade and eventually claim citizenship/voting rights.

[TheCount]

Because he has no right to be released

Fascinating. Is that a right that people have to have now? An affirmative right to not be in jail?

We should come up with a name for that right. Something catchy.

That what you wouldn't do.
What would you do?

Several suggestions have been made that aren't imprisoning him forever.

I'd do this:

Not imprison him forever.

[Swordsmyth]

Fascinating. Is that a right that people have to have now? An affirmative right to not be in jail?

We should come up with a name for that right. Something catchy.

Because he has no right to be released in America and nowhere else will take him.

I'd do this:

That's what you wouldn't do.
What would you do?

Several suggestions have been made that aren't imprisoning him forever.

Why don't you just admit your plan is to allow enemies who want to kill us to invade and eventually claim citizenship/voting rights?

Or you could endorse one of the following:

We could solve this by forcibly or covertly dumping him in Lebanon.

Solution:
Give him a boat, with six months provisions and let him go in the ocean of his choosing. Simple.

Any ocean but not on our side of it.

We could send this guy to Antarctica.

But none of those facilitates the invasion and destruction of America.

[Pauls' Revere]

He is in prison because he gave money to extremist Muslim charities who will launder it to terrorist cells.

A bad thing indeed, but if he served his time he should be freed.

[jon4liberty]

A bad thing indeed, but if he served his time he should be freed.

Where

[TheCount]

Because he has no right to be released in America and nowhere else will take him.

Fascinating. Is that a right that people have to have now? An affirmative right to not be in jail?

Look, I know we're not going to reach a conclusion on this. This goes to the very core of your beliefs, and they are diametrically opposed to mine.

You believe that government fundamentally has more rights than people, and obviously you believe that lacking an affirmative right to exist which is somehow earned through group membership, the government has a right to make you not exist. Unless the government has a reason to free someone, they can be imprisoned forever.

That's what you wouldn't do.
What would you do?

Not imprison him forever.

[TheTexan]

Look, I know we're not going to reach a conclusion on this. This goes to the very core of your beliefs, and they are diametrically opposed to mine.

You believe that government fundamentally has more rights than people, and obviously you believe that lacking an affirmative right to exist which is somehow earned through group membership, the government has a right to make you not exist. Unless the government has a reason to free someone, they can be imprisoned forever.







Not imprison him forever.

Maybe a good compromise is to declare Northwest Australia as a new prison colony and send him there. Very few people live in NW Australia, I'm sure they wouldn't mind.

[Swordsmyth]

Look, I know we're not going to reach a conclusion on this. This goes to the very core of your beliefs, and they are diametrically opposed to mine.

You believe that government fundamentally has more rights than people, and obviously you believe that lacking an affirmative right to exist which is somehow earned through group membership, the government has a right to make you not exist. Unless the government has a reason to free someone, they can be imprisoned forever.

I believe the rest of us have a right to be protected from enemies that mean to harm or enslave us.
You believe anyone on the planet has a right to come here to harm or enslave us.
They can and should release him anywhere BUT America.

Not imprison him forever.

I'll take that to mean you want him released in America so he can try to kill and conquer us since you refused to even acknowledge the other options.

[Swordsmyth]

A bad thing indeed, but if he served his time he should be freed.

Not here.

But there are other options:

Originally Posted by Swordsmyth
We could solve this by forcibly or covertly dumping him in Lebanon.

Originally Posted by Swordsmyth

Originally Posted by RJB


Solution:
Give him a boat, with six months provisions and let him go in the ocean of his choosing. Simple.

Any ocean but not on our side of it.

Originally Posted by Swordsmyth

We could send this guy to Antarctica.

[Swordsmyth]

Maybe a good compromise is to declare Northwest Australia as a new prison colony and send him there. Very few people live in NW Australia, I'm sure they wouldn't mind.

I believe there are still unclaimed islands in the Pacific.

[Swordsmyth]

Related:

The Islamic knife attacker in London who murdered two people on Friday was set free despite his history of violent terrorism, and was attending a Cambridge University event on prison rehabilitation as he committed his rampage, according to an edition of The Times set to release on Saturday.

https://twitter.com/LiamSD12/status/1200538203519954944

Police are calling the incident a terrorist attack. The terrorist is dead after he was gunned down by authorities. He was wearing a phony suicide vest as he committed the knife rampage, and heroic bystanders wrestled him to the ground before he could do more damage.
The terrorist made his heinous attack in Fishmongers’ Hall near London Bridge, which had been the scene of another attack two years ago. It was where Cambridge University was hosting an event on prison rehabilitation in which the terrorist was attending, perhaps as a guest of honor.
He had been convicted of a terrorist attack before according to reports, but then was set free after being fitted with an electronic tag. The tag did little to stop him from committing these murders. Britain’s lax policies in effect facilitated these gruesome knife murders to take place.

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/jihadi...on-conference/



Release him, BUT NOT HERE.

[TheTexan]

I believe there are still unclaimed islands in the Pacific.

No , I've already claimed them .