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Napolitano everyday is proving to be the Judge of the swamp.
Judge Swamp is just making a fool of himself again.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
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Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
A person would either be totally bought or a fool to be POTUS. WTF? Who in their right mind would want that job? Why stay? Quit! If our hero Ron Paul was offered POTUS and could be guaranteed a victory to the office he would be a fool to accept it. I would bet he would not want it. Saying "oh I would do this or that," is only vibrating decibels and wind. It is one thing to be a Congress person or Senator that always votes no and swims upstream. What do they accomplish? Do they get anything passed? Do they get laws abolished? Does the DNC or RNC rally against you and try to get you replaced with a team player? They can tolerate a couple of kooks in congress or the senate but a POTUS that swims upstream will be met with currents that cannot be overcome.
He never would have signed in ink USMCA at a “ceremony” or that pathetic Omnibus, or strongly suggest raising the age to 21 and “Medicare for All”.
Oh, and that “Patriot Act” that your patriot in chief just signed.
But, the comedian that you are (not), I can see why you’d make such funnies.
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@ 4:44 Reason: "But wait. Can't Trump just say...Or I guess what I'm going to ask you is..you know what is the Republican response? Sketch out the president's defense. Can't he say 'What are you talking about? I'm investigating...you know in 2017 Politico and a host of other publications said that Ukraine was trying to influence the American election in 2016. Trump is just saying I'm trying to get to the bottom of this corruption."
@ 5:12 Judge Nap: "I've actually looked in the camera and said he would be better off acknowledging the facts but arguing that none of this is impeachable."
Guess what? Rand Paul said the same thing! Rand said he thought it was a "big mistake" for Trump to deny quid pro quo and instead Trump should focus on the arguing that he was looking into Joe Biden corruption and that was a proper thing to do.
The only difference is that Rand didn't go so far and say Trump could be impeached. But impeached just means 'indicted in the House." It does not mean removed from office. judge Nap was clear that he didn't think there was enough to justify removal.
Edit:
Judge Nap: 9:30 If you push impeachment, without a national consensus behind it, you'll suffer at the polls. I mean the remedy for an unjust impeachment is not stonewalling, its getting your opponents driven from office. Which Bill Clinton did with all of his impeachment prosecutors except for one.
Reason: And who was the one?
Judge Nap: Then congressman, now senator Lindsey Graham.
@Swordsmyth, this is what you keep missing in these discussions. Not every defense thrown up on behalf of Donald Trump holds merit. But there are legitimate defenses, as Judge Nap has pointed out, and this will not ultimately play in the democrats favor.
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jmdrake did not say that Rand Paul was not defending Donald Trump.
Call me a liar to my face. I dare you.
Did you detect any sophistry in that?
Do you know what sophistry is? It's lying--including lying about what other people said. jmdrake engaged in no sophistry, and neither did I. But if this means what it sounds like it means...
...then that is sophistry.
Read this, then listen to Napolitano again, and maybe you'll see how wrong your knee jerk reaction was:
Quid pro quo means something for something. It's a fancy way of describing a simple trade. It is not automatically illegal. If it were, some 90% of diplomacy would be illegal.
Yes there's a law against the president using his powers to curry favors that are useful to him in an election. And Biden did announce his candidacy before this diplomatic negotiation happened. However, there are a number of law enforcement agencies in the Executive Branch. This means the president has a duty to see to it that crime is investigated. And corruption is criminal.
Did Biden insulate his whole family from investigation into their corruption by filing as a presidential candidate? Does the law against using the office for political gain supercede the president's duty to facilitate law enforcement? Is all a lawbreaker, or the father of a lawbreaker, has to do to insulate himself and his family from every federal investigation is stand for election? These are the thorny questions this impeachment brings up. This is no doubt why Pelosi tried to avoid it.
The only thing illegal about Trump negotiating quid pro quo for an investigation of this corruption is Biden's status as a candidate. Three months earlier, before Biden filed, it was Trump's duty to do what he did. And 99% of the population would agree that it was still Trump's duty to do what he did when he did it, if they set their partisan derangement aside and thought about it.
That's what Napolitano said. That's what Paul said. That's what jmdrake said. What are you saying?
Now. Listen to Napolitano again, and we'll see if you still want to trade "S" words with me. Because if you still don't get it, then I do have an "S" word for you.
That's not quite true. If Trump did it for corrupt reasons, then it's corrupt regardless of Biden's status as a candidate. Yes, there is a law regarding elections, but there is also the matter of bribery. There is a reason why Nap separates the two issues into two different articles of impeachment in this video.
Was an investigation of Biden a "thing of value" to Trump?18 U.S. Code § 201. Bribery of public officials and witnesses
(b) Whoever—(2) being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for:
(A) being influenced in the performance of any official act;
(B) being influenced to commit or aid in committing, or to collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
(C) being induced to do or omit to do any act in violation of the official duty of such official or person;
Why did Trump demand that Ukraine "do him a favor" by investigating Burisma / Bidens and offer to give taxpayer money to Ukraine as payment?
A) It was in the best interests of the country
or
B) It was in the best interests of Trump
If you want to claim there is enough to impeach Trump then by that standard any president in history could have been impeached. To state that is just doing the left's dirty work, in other words, being a useful idiot. That's something libertarians are good at these days.
It's funny watching an argument between people who have a similar outlook, but don't want to acknowledge it.
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Welcome to the real world, where the law is a mess and everyone's a felon waiting to get caught. A law which cannot be obeyed without violating another, older law is not a valid law. Yes, violating it is technically grounds for impeachment, and even indictment. Technically, that's the truth, and Napolitano is having a technical discussion, and an honest one. Morally, overturning an election because the president had to violate a newer law to obey an older one is a travesty.
An impeachment can result in only a poorly written law being removed.
More fun to watch than to get stuck in. "The man's on your side! For the love of God, stop shooting at him!"
I recommend y'all read this:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...the-Government
There is no spoon.
Judge makes good points. Nothing swampy about it.
He starts by underscoring that impeachment is a political process, not a legal process. It doesn't become a legal process until it gets to the Senate.
Do the Dems have 4 or 5 politically motivated articles of impeachment? Of course, that's all we've heard about this week.
Will the Senate indict him for it? About a snowball's chance.......
And like Judge says, the Dems chance paying a huge price at the ballot box.
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