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    Antifederalist (prophets)

    https://fee.org/articles/the-antifed...ily-prophetic/

    Their Oppositions to the Constitution
    Antifederalists opposed the Constitution on the grounds that its checks on federal power would be undermined by expansive interpretations of promoting the “general welfare” (which would be claimed for every law) and the “all laws necessary and proper” clause (which would be used to override limits on delegated federal powers) creating a federal government with unwarranted and undelegated powers that were bound to be abused.
    One could quibble with the mechanisms the Antifederalists predicted would lead to constitutional tyranny. For instance, they did not see that the Commerce Clause would come to be called “the everything clause” in law schools, justifying almost any conceivable federal intervention—because the necessary distortion of its meaning was so great even Antifederalists couldn’t imagine the government could get away with it.

    And they could not have foreseen how the 14th Amendment and its interpretation would extend federal domination over the states after the Civil War. But despite that, it is very difficult to argue with their conclusions in light of the current reach of our government, which doesn’t just intrude upon, but often overwhelms Americans today.

    Therefore, it merits remembering the Antifederalists’ prescient arguments and how unfortunate is the virtual absence of modern Americans who share their concerns.

    One of the most insightful of the Antifederalists was Robert Yates, a New York judge who, as a delegate to the Constitutional Convention, withdrew because the convention was exceeding its instructions. Yates wrote as Brutus in the debates over the Constitution. Given his experience as a judge, his claim that the Supreme Court would become a source of almost unlimited federal overreaching was particularly insightful.
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    What's written on paper doesn't determine what states actually do.

    Since the federal state here doesn't abide by the existing constitution, I don't know why people think it would have abided by any alternative one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    What's written on paper doesn't determine what states actually do.

    Since the federal state here doesn't abide by the existing constitution, I don't know why people think it would have abided by any alternative one.
    Because an alternative one could have provided less excuses and more penalties for violating it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Because an alternative one could have provided less excuses and more penalties for violating it.
    I'm sure that the people entrusted with interpreting that constitution would have routinely convicted and punished themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I'm sure that the people entrusted with interpreting that constitution would have routinely convicted and punished themselves.
    It would have been easier to make that happen or it would have been easier to replace them with "a little revolution now and then" for blatantly violating with no "interpretation" to excuse them.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It would have been easier to make that happen or it would have been easier to replace them with "a little revolution now and then" for blatantly violating with no "interpretation" to excuse them.
    Well, that's a nice and naive thought.
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