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    Top Bolivian coup plotters were School of the Americas grads,served as attachés

    Top Bolivian coup plotters were School of the Americas grads, served as attachés in FBI police programs



    The US played a key role in the military coup in Bolivia, and in a direct way that has scarcely been acknowledged in accounts of the events that forced the country’s elected president, Evo Morales, to resign on November 10.

    Just prior to Morales’ resignation, the commander of Bolivia’s armed forces Williams Kaliman “suggested” that the president step down. A day earlier, sectors of the country’s police force had rebelled.

    Though Kaliman appears to have feigned loyalty to Morales over the years, his true colors showed as soon as the moment of opportunity arrived. He was not only an actor in the coup, he had his own history in Washington, where he had briefly served as the military attaché of Bolivia’s embassy in the US capital.

    Kaliman sat at the top of a military and police command structure that has been substantially cultivated by the US through WHINSEC, the military training school in Fort Benning, Georgia known in the past as the School of the Americas. Kaliman himself attended a course called “Comando y Estado Mayor” at the SOA in 2003.

    At least six of the key coup plotters were former alumni of the infamous School of the Americas, while Kaliman and another figure served in the past as Bolivia’s military and police attachés in Washington.

    Within the Bolivian police, top commanders who helped launch the coup have passed through the APALA police exchange program. Working out of Washington DC, APALA functions to build relations between US authorities and police officials from Latin American states. Despite its influence, or perhaps because of it, the program maintains little public presence. Its staff was impossible for this researcher to reach by phone.

    It is common for governments to assign a few number of individuals to work at their country’s embassies abroad as military or police attachés. The late Philip Agee, a one-time CIA case officer who became the agency’s first whistleblower, explained in his 1975 tell-all book how US intelligence traditionally relied on the recruitment of foreign military and police officers, including embassy attachés, as critical assets in regime change and counter-insurgency operations.

    As I found from the more than 11,000 FOIA documents I obtained while writing my book on the paramilitary campaign waged in the lead up to the February 2004 ouster of Haiti’s elected government and the post-coup repression, US officials worked for years to ingratiate themselves and establish connections with Haitian police, army, and ex-army officials. These connections as well as the recruitment and information gathering efforts eventually paid off.

    In Bolivia, too, the role of military and police officials trained by the US was pivotal in forcing regime change. US government agencies such as USAID have openly financed anti-Morales groups in the country for many years. But the way that the country’s security forces were used as a Trojan Horse by US intelligence services is less understood. With Morales’s forced departure, however, it became impossible to deny how critical a factor this was.

    As this investigation will establish, the coup plot could not have succeeded without the enthusiastic approval of the country’s military and police commanders. And their consent was influenced heavily by the US, where so many were groomed and educated for insurrection.

    Leaked audio exposes School of the Americas grads plotting a coup

    Leaked audio reported on Bolivian news website la época (and by elperiodicocr.com and a range of national media outlets) reveals that covert coordination took place between current and former Bolivian police, military, and opposition leaders in bringing about the coup.

    The leaked audio recordings show that former Cochabamba mayor and former presidential candidate Manfred Reyes Villa played a central role in the plot. Reyes happens to be an alumni of WHINSEC (the School of the Americas [SOA]) who currently resides in the US.

    The other four who are introduced or introduce themselves by name in the leaked audio are General Remberto Siles Vasquez (audio 12); Colonel Julio César Maldonado Leoni (audio 8 and 9); Colonel Oscar Pacello Aguirre (audio 14), and Colonel Teobaldo Cardozo Guevara (audio 10). All four of these ex-military officials attended the SOA.

    Cardozo Guevara, in particular, boasts about his connections amongst active officers.

    The identities of these individuals are confirmed by cross-checking the data of the Schools of Americas Watch lists of alumni with Facebook and local Bolivian news articles and the leaked audio recordings.

    The School of the Americas is a notorious site of education for Latin American coup plotters dating back to the height of the Cold War. Brutal regime change and reprisal operations from Haiti to Honduras have been carried out by SOA graduates, and some of the most bloodstained juntas in the region’s history have been run by the school’s alumni.

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    I don't care.
    Morales was a cheating commie swine.
    Our government shouldn't be interfering in foreign countries and we should do what we can to stop it but I'm not going to shed one tear for Morales or think for one moment that Bolivia would have been better off if he had remained.

    Bolivia is better off with Morales gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't care.
    Morales was a cheating commie swine.
    Our government shouldn't be interfering in foreign countries and we should do what we can to stop it but I'm not going to shed one tear for Morales or think for one moment that Bolivia would have been better off if he had remained.

    Bolivia is better off with Morales gone.
    That's kind of a conflicting statement. You can't really have it both ways. Either you're against our interfering all over the world or you're not.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    That's kind of a conflicting statement. You can't really have it both ways. Either you're against our interfering all over the world or you're not.
    I'm against it because we shouldn't be involved but that doesn't mean that the outcome was bad this time or that Morales didn't cheat and shouldn't have been thrown out by the people of Bolivia.
    Because I can't stop intervention by our government right now I also look at the event without considering that aspect and see what happened as a good thing, if some other country had done it or if it had been organic in Bolivia I wouldn't object at all.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Morales was the one engaged in a coup:


    Former Bolivian President Evo Morales ran for a fourth term in office in the October 20 election after forcing the nation’s constitutional court to find that he had a “human right” to run despite constitutional term limits. This weekend, the Organization of American States (OAS) published their preliminary findings from a probe of that election that amassed significant evidence of election fraud. Morales responded to the report by voluntarily resigning, fleeing to Mexico, then declaring that he was the victim of a “coup.”

    More at: https://www.breitbart.com/national-s...alist-rioters/
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Morales was the one engaged in a coup:


    Former Bolivian President Evo Morales ran for a fourth term in office in the October 20 election after forcing the nation’s constitutional court to find that he had a “human right” to run despite constitutional term limits. This weekend, the Organization of American States (OAS) published their preliminary findings from a probe of that election that amassed significant evidence of election fraud. Morales responded to the report by voluntarily resigning, fleeing to Mexico, then declaring that he was the victim of a “coup.”

    More at: https://www.breitbart.com/national-s...alist-rioters/
    You trot out a couple articles from an obvious interventionist at Breitbart and make my case for me. This is a person that was giddy over Bolton. Again, you can't have it both ways. You're either a interventionist or you're not. You can't say you refuse to listen to a "obvious propagandist" then roll out one of your own.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    You trot out a couple articles from an obvious interventionist at Breitbart and make my case for me. This is a person that was giddy over Bolton. Again, you can't have it both ways. You're either a interventionist or you're not. You can't say you refuse to listen to a "obvious propagandist" then roll out one of your own.
    It's a fact that Morales violated their constitution to run again.
    It is also a fact that other communist countries intervene all over the world.

    And I don't have to support American involvement to say it is a good thing he is gone.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Those Cubans must have some deep pockets..

    Massive Anti-Coup Protests Explode Across Bolivia

    Chanting “resign now” to Bolivia’s interim, self-declared president Jeanine Añez, protesters across the Latin American country on Friday made their displeasure with the overthrow of the government by right-wing Christian extremists last Sunday known.

    Thousands of demonstrators marched through the cities of La Paz and El Alto. Friday’s protests follow days of unrest as the Bolivian people rejected Sunday’s coup, which forced democratically-elected President Evo Morales to resign and flee the country.

    Friday’s demonstrations were a show of force by the Bolivian people against the coup government. Video and photographs from the country showed long stretching lines of people waving the Indigenous wiphala flag and calling for Añez to step down.

    https://twitter.com/Gerrrty/status/1195387867595452418


    https://twitter.com/yerovietienne/st...01241955897349


    https://twitter.com/Gerrrty/status/1195404509914251264


    https://twitter.com/jmkarg/status/1195448438906859520
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Those Cubans must have some deep pockets..

    Massive Anti-Coup Protests Explode Across Bolivia

    Chanting “resign now” to Bolivia’s interim, self-declared president Jeanine Añez, protesters across the Latin American country on Friday made their displeasure with the overthrow of the government by right-wing Christian extremists last Sunday known.

    Thousands of demonstrators marched through the cities of La Paz and El Alto. Friday’s protests follow days of unrest as the Bolivian people rejected Sunday’s coup, which forced democratically-elected President Evo Morales to resign and flee the country.

    Friday’s demonstrations were a show of force by the Bolivian people against the coup government. Video and photographs from the country showed long stretching lines of people waving the Indigenous wiphala flag and calling for Añez to step down.

    https://twitter.com/Gerrrty/status/1195387867595452418


    https://twitter.com/yerovietienne/st...01241955897349


    https://twitter.com/Gerrrty/status/1195404509914251264


    https://twitter.com/jmkarg/status/1195448438906859520
    Bolivia is full of communists, it only takes enough money to pay the ringleaders.

    Let me know when you think of a reason Evil Moralless should have been able to violate their constitution and run again.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Bolivia is full of communists, it only takes enough money to pay the ringleaders.

    Let me know when you think of a reason Evil Moralless should have been able to violate their constitution and run again.
    Let me know when you think of a reason we should be meddling in countries across the globe.
    "The Patriarch"

  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Let me know when you think of a reason we should be meddling in countries across the globe.
    I don't have one, I said we shouldn't.
    But that doesn't mean I'm going to spend one second crying for a cheating commie swine or think that his overthrow was a bad thing for his country.
    We shouldn't interfere for our own sake whether the result is good or bad but in this case the result was NOT bad.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't have one, I said we shouldn't.
    But that doesn't mean I'm going to spend one second crying for a cheating commie swine or think that his overthrow was a bad thing for his country.
    We shouldn't interfere for our own sake whether the result is good or bad but in this case the result was NOT bad.
    It seems there are a lot of people there who disagree with you. But you like the outcome so $#@! them, it's for their own good.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    It seems there are a lot of people there who disagree with you. But you like the outcome so $#@! them, it's for their own good.
    It seems there are a lot of people there who agree with me.
    And their constitution is on their side.
    And I won't lift a finger to $#@! those who disagree, I even would have prevented any American involvement if I could BUT the fall of a cheating commie swine IS good, right and wrong isn't determined by popular vote.
    And even if right and wrong was determined by popular vote it seems Evil Moralless cheated and the vote was against him.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It seems there are a lot of people there who agree with me.
    And their constitution is on their side.
    And I won't lift a finger to $#@! those who disagree, I even would have prevented any American involvement if I could BUT the fall of a cheating commie swine IS good, right and wrong isn't determined by popular vote.
    And even if right and wrong was determined by popular vote it seems Evil Moralless cheated and the vote was against him.
    I'm not attempting to defend him in any way, it's really of no concern to me. The problem arises from our obvious and documented interference.
    "The Patriarch"

  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    It seems there are a lot of people there who disagree with you. But you like the outcome so $#@! them, it's for their own good.
    Never mind the expense, resentment and blowback, none of which are good for this country.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    I'm not attempting to defend him in any way, it's really of no concern to me. The problem arises from our obvious and documented interference.
    On the interference we agree and if you are not defending him then we don't disagree there.
    But this can't be called a coup when Evil Moralless not only cheated in the vote counting but violated their constitution to even run.
    Those calling it a coup are commies trying to use the issue of foreign interference to portray the removal of a cheat as something bad.
    The commies always jump on situations like this and make martyrs of their tyrants, many people fell for it when the Chilean legislature impeached Allende and when he refuse to leave office told the military to remove him.
    And many people can't oppose our intervention without taking the side of whoever the target is even when the target is an evil commie cheat.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Never mind the expense, resentment and blowback, none of which are good for this country.
    Never mind that I have oppose American involvement repeatedly in this and many other cases.
    Never let a chance to slander me go to waste.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Never mind that I have oppose American involvement repeatedly in this and many other cases.
    Never let a chance to slander me go to waste.
    Gee, I thought I was talking to Originalist about what a bunch of SotA grads did.

    But if you insist everything ever said was about you, I guess I was wrong...
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Gee, I thought I was talking to Originalist about what a bunch of SotA grads did.

    But if you insist everything ever said was about you, I guess I was wrong...
    You responded to a post of his that was ABOUT ME, and you added to what he said ABOUT ME.
    You know it and everyone can see it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Gee, I thought I was talking to Originalist about what a bunch of SotA grads did.

    But if you insist everything ever said was about you, I guess I was wrong...
    ABOUT ME
    ABOUT ME.
    OK OK. I'm a man of my word.

    Attention: Everything ever said is about him. That is all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    OK OK. I'm a man of my word.

    Attention: Everything ever said is about him. That is all.
    Everyone can read the post you responded to and see that you are lying again.

    You are making it very easy to expose you as a liar.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  26. #23
    And after all that forum drama, we're still interfering around the world unabated. But hey, we can't stop it so pay your taxes and stay out of trouble. How bout them Cowboys?
    "The Patriarch"

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    And after all that forum drama, we're still interfering around the world unabated. But hey, we can't stop it so pay your taxes and stay out of trouble. How bout them Cowboys?
    I have always done whatever I could to stop it, I can't do any more.
    I hope that is the case with everyone here, I'd hate to think that anybody needed this story to get them to try to stop it as best they can.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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  29. #25
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  30. #26
    Did you link the wrong article? This was from February and states;

    “Why China? There’s a guaranteed market in China for battery production,” Bolivian President Evo Morales said in broadcast comments at a signing ceremony in the highland city of Oruro.
    "The Patriarch"

  31. #27
    Let's see, govermnents that we have overthrown...

    Libya, turned out fantastic!

    Iran, Whhooo boy!

    Iraq, yea, that place rocks!

    We almost got Syria but failed so that country will never know the joys of being liberated. But hey, we tried.

    Afghanistan, need I even speak of all the joy we have blessed that country with?

    Please feel free to add to the list.
    "The Patriarch"

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Did you link the wrong article? This was from February and states;
    It's not my link and it appears the place I found it made a mistake about the date and I didn't notice it either.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Let's see, govermnents that we have overthrown...

    Libya, turned out fantastic!

    Iran, Whhooo boy!

    Iraq, yea, that place rocks!

    We almost got Syria but failed so that country will never know the joys of being liberated. But hey, we tried.

    Afghanistan, need I even speak of all the joy we have blessed that country with?

    Please feel free to add to the list.
    We should have stayed out of this but the people of Bolivia should have thrown the commie cheat out.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  34. #30
    It's not clear to me which side is less objectionable, but the method by which power was seized doesn't matter.

    If there was a coup, and it was by the less objectionable side, then good news.

    If by the other side, shucks.

    But the problem (if there is one) consists in who is in power, not how they got there.

    Elected pigs are pigs; unelected saints are saints.

    ...but I'll reserve judgment till I figure out just who the pigs/saints are.

    *no offense to pigs, which are delightful animals*
    Last edited by r3volution 3.0; 11-17-2019 at 08:47 PM.

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