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    Trump admin preparing to take over private land in Texas for border wall

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...-wall-n1082316

    The Trump administration is preparing court filings to begin taking over private land to build its long-promised border wall as early as this week — without confirming how much it will pay landowners first, according to two officials familiar with the process.

    Jared Kushner is hosting a meeting with military and administration officials at the White House this Friday, where they are expected to discuss the U.S. government taking over private land to build more sections of wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, said two officials.

    The commanding general of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Lt. Gen. Todd Semonite, is expected to attend, as are two assistant defense secretaries for homeland defense, Kenneth Rapuano and Robert Salesses.

    Attorneys for the Department of Justice and Department of Defense have prepared letters of rights of entry, informing property owners that government officials will be entering their land to assess the property, test the soil and conduct land surveys, said two officials.

    In a typical eminent domain case, the government agrees on an amount of money before it seizes the land. In the past, the government has paid landowners along the Texas-Mexico border $100 for 18 months of unfettered, unannounced access, according to Ricky Garza, an attorney with the Texas Civil Rights Project. Garza's group represents five Texas landowners whose property is in the path of the planned wall and who oppose its construction.

    According to two officials familiar with the process, however, government attorneys may file under the Declaration of Taking Act in federal court in Texas, which could expedite the process for the government purchase of private land along the border.

    If the government files under that law, and its action survives expected legal challenges, the title would automatically transfer to the government. The government has to name the price it expects to pay, but actual negotiations with the landowners about the price don't begin until after the land is taken.

    The Declaration of Taking Act is meant to be reserved for emergencies. Earlier this year the Trump administration declared the situation at the border a national emergency. A federal judge ruled in October that President Donald Trump violated federal law when he used his declaration of a national emergency to pull millions from military funding for building the wall. The ruling did not apply to other sources of funds, however.

    "They are probably going to get [the land] in the end, but they are asking the court to dispense with the process that is typically afforded to landowners," said Garza, attorney for the landowners. "We want to make sure that all of our clients are treated with basic human decency and with respect that's been sorely lacking in the past by this administration."

    Lt. Col. Chris Mitchell, a DOD spokesperson, said, "The Department of Defense is considering its options in close consultation with the Department of Justice."

    The White House and the Justice Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    Acting Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection Mark Morgan told reporters on Thursday that land acquisition for the border wall was "a challenge," but said, "I still think we're on track to get the land we need for 450 miles [of new wall]."

    Morgan also noted that there had been lawsuits and "a lot of the judicial activism out there, and land acquisition is not going to be immune from that as well."

    Asked how much new wall had been constructed during the Trump administration, Morgan said, "Every mile of wall that's being built is a new mile of wall." Asked how much wall had been built where none existed before, Morgan said the administration had just broken ground in the Rio Grande Valley.

    Garza said there are hundreds if not close to one thousand landowners in Texas who own land in the path of plans for a border wall. The winding Texas border with Mexico is more than 1,200 miles long. Garza added that in Texas, unlike other border states, the majority of the land along the border is private, and has been passed down through families for generations.
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    Individual rights are sacred. Unless you need to violate them on a wholesale scale for something really, really important. Then the collective is all that matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Individual rights are sacred. Unless you need to violate them on a wholesale scale for something really, really important. Then the collective is all that matters.
    Individual rights are important, that's why those invaders who will destroy them completely must be kept out.
    I would prefer to simply militarize the border and patrol it heavily but national defense is the best and most legitimate use of eminent domain and the wall is better than nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Individual rights are important, that's why those invaders who will destroy them completely must be kept out.
    I would prefer to simply militarize the border and patrol it heavily but national defense is the best and most legitimate use of eminent domain and the wall is better than nothing.
    Which would be better? Requiring a landlord to host military on their property to guard the border or taking his land away to build a wall?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Which would be better? Requiring a landlord to host military on their property to guard the border or taking his land away to build a wall?
    Both are flagrant violations of the individual's fundamental natural rights. But the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, apparently. How very communistic.
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Which would be better? Requiring a landlord to host military on their property to guard the border or taking his land away to build a wall?
    Who said they would be required to "host" the military?

    Patrolling isn't being "hosted".
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Both are flagrant violations of the individual's fundamental natural rights. But the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, apparently. How very communistic.
    The individual who owns border property is being protected from the invaders who will impose full communism along with everyone else.

    Were the founders communists?
    Because they supported eminent domain for national defense and protecting the borders of the country with the military.

    This new trend of stretching "communism" until it has no meaning anymore is one reason nobody listens to people like you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Who said they would be required to "host" the military?

    Patrolling isn't being "hosted".
    The landowner would not have to feed and house them but would be required to allow them unlimited access to their own private property. Uninvited invaders on their land which you claim to be against.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Jared Kushner is hosting a meeting with military and administration officials at the White House this Friday, where they are expected to discuss the U.S. government taking over private land to build more sections of wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, said two officials.
    Just few days ago he was busy working on mideast peace plan between Israel and Palestinians divided by Israel's border wall, impressive multi-tasking if he can make time for new Texas land acquistion projects also besides everything else he's been busy doing in mideast.

    However, two and two don't add up though:

    Jared Kushner hopes to 'eliminate borders' in the Middle East
    February 26, 2019


    But if OP news is confirmed as non-fakenews unlike last years 'We're getting out of Syria in 30 days' headline and Kushner delivered successfully as he did in case of recent NAFTA 2.0 USMCA US-MEXICO trade deal, would some extremist MAGA 2016 supporters fnally stop criticizing Senior White House adviser Kushner now.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The landowner would not have to feed and house them but would be required to allow them unlimited access to their own private property. Uninvited invaders on their land which you claim to be against.
    LOL

    The border is different than anywhere else and anyone who buys property there knows that.
    And they would not have to give unlimited access to their entire property nor would the patrols be invaders.
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    The solution to this is easy, just build the wall on the Mexico side of the border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    The solution to this is easy, just build the wall on the Mexico side of the border.
    I support that idea but current politics wouldn't allow it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I support that idea but current politics wouldn't allow it.
    Stealing land from Americans is better.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    How would we have roads, railroads, how would the country move freight, people travel, without public domain Zippy, do you have a
    chart ?

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