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Thread: Why Do Elections Favor Socialists Over Libertarians?

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    There have been uncountable words written regarding the circumventions of the Constitution, your stupid question isn't worth answering.
    But I'll give you a hint: There are limits placed in the Constitution on the Congressional powers to make laws and collect taxes.

    Try reading the Constitution for the first time in your life, it won't kill you.
    I see. You can't find anything either but had to post anyways. Gotta get that post count up! Thanks for trying.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-14-2019 at 07:37 PM.
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    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, that is the new tactic from all the trolls.
    They just assert lies over and over no matter how often they are exposed.
    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I see. You can't find anything either but had to post anyways. Thanks for trying.
    Your feigned ignorance is not a reason anyone should waste their time correcting you.
    You have been here long enough to know the answer.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    So true, universal health care, and UBI Basic Income............lol
    What does all this free stuff mean ?
    Take from someone that works, and give it to those that wouldn't dream of it , give it
    to slugs so they'll vote for you.

    Or take it from someone who works and give it to multinational corporations for military contracts to kill people in countries most people couldn’t point to on a map. Corporate welfare is some evil $#@! too. Slugs are abound when money can be printed.

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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    A little too much navel gazing for my taste...no need to make this difficult.

    A - Free $#@! is popular, especially to a nation of retards.

    B - Freedom is NOT popular, for the same reason.

    C - Socialism is popular to the millions and millions of migrant invaders fleeing socialist failures to the south.
    D. Propaganda starting in the 1920s by the likes of Edward Bernays, nephew of Sigmond Freud, has manipulated the minds of the American people, created an illusion of choice, and manufactured consent for tyranny by using propaganda to tap into the subconscious and make people “feel” certain ways about certain things, groups, and even words. These techniques were used by the CIA/M16 British Empire to create duopolies of false choice “Republicans v Democrats” “Pepsi v Coke” etc. Political parties were infiltrated to ensure all polices benefit the empire. This includes running wacky candidates (think David Duke) and attaching themselves to the self-proclaimed enemies of the empire, be it: libertarian, constitutionalist, tea party, truther, patriot, militia, gun owners etc.
    Last edited by Gumba of Liberty; 11-14-2019 at 09:08 PM.

  8. #36
    Because Libertarians mock actual voting.
    “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it”~~ Frederic Bastiat

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    A little too much navel gazing for my taste...no need to make this difficult.

    A - Free $#@! is popular, especially to a nation of retards.

    B - Freedom is NOT popular, for the same reason.

    C - Socialism is popular to the millions and millions of migrant invaders fleeing socialist failures to the south.
    Free stuff is key. Americans are increasingly becoming dependent children. Someone else has to do things for them. Someone else needs to take care of them. Socialists offer to do that, even though they really can’t and won’t (it’s a scam, they just want power). On top of that, they rationalize the helplessness by giving them an excuse. They are all victims, and it’s not their fault. No need to take responsibility for anything, because you are not responsible for anything.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


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  10. #38
    “It would appear that the Libertarian Party has opted to cast itself in such a way so as to appeal to secularists, globalists, and social liberals, and to play down what one would think are libertarian positions, such as limited government.”
    Some elements of the LP and the “libertarian” community have found where their bread gets buttered. Globalism pays the bills and serves so many special interest agendas.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Some elements of the LP and the “libertarian” community have found where their bread gets buttered. Globalism pays the bills and serves so many special interest agendas.
    The wages of evil are lucrative in this life.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Slave Mentality View Post
    Or take it from someone who works and give it to multinational corporations for military contracts to kill people in countries most people couldn’t point to on a map. Corporate welfare is some evil $#@! too. Slugs are abound when money can be printed.
    Absolutely, and take if from the producers/tax payers and give it too the bank bailout funds.

    ...and today , a decent loaf or bread is about $5.00 , print and steal with inflation.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Not really. The Framers hated democracy.
    Some of them said that. But those who ratified the Constitution didn't hate it enough to not ratify it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    The Constitution they ratified limited voting to white, male property owners.
    Nowhere is that in the Constitution they ratified.

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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    Who's seen this and what do you think about it?

    https://europathelastbattle.wordpress.com/watch/
    I haven't seen it. But it looks like it's up to no good.
    https://www.quora.com/Can-someone-re...he-Last-Battle

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Which part of the Constitution was circumvented?
    Bill of Rights, "necessary and proper," and "interstate commerce."
    "I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
    -Stannis Baratheon

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    Bill of Rights, "necessary and proper," and "interstate commerce."
    Possibly. On the other hand, maybe the wiggle-room some of those clauses gave was there on purpose all along. Hamilton, who was the primary author of the Constitution, certainly had an agenda of focusing power on a centralized federal government more than he let on in the Federalist Papers.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I haven't seen it. But it looks like it's up to no good.
    https://www.quora.com/Can-someone-re...he-Last-Battle
    From your link, I found this link:

    https://secretsourcesblog.wordpress.com/

    I ofcourse don't trust this as an authoritative source, but it gives some credence to the videos being somewhat accurate. One of the key premises of the videos are that the bolsheviks were in large Jewish, and that they ended up killing more Christians than the nazi's did Jews during the holocaust. They go on to say 12 out of every 13 gulags were commanded by a jew.

    Now, I'm not defending national socialism. It is almost as bad as communism. I'm just interested in learning about the supposed history written from the loser's perspective. I doubt what we are taught in history class about WWII was 100% accurate either.

    I find it interesting the nazis were fighting the same people we fought during the cold war, the same forces that steadily gain power in our own country today. I find it suspicious that the only label that can out trump racist is an anti semite. Who controls the news, the media, even social media? You can't even come close to asking such a question at the national level. Consequently, the only sources you find about such history comes from videos like these, that have little credibility.
    Last edited by Grandmastersexsay; 11-15-2019 at 08:34 AM.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    A little too much navel gazing for my taste...no need to make this difficult.

    A - Free $#@! is popular, especially to a nation of retards.

    B - Freedom is NOT popular, for the same reason.

    C - Socialism is popular to the millions and millions of migrant invaders fleeing socialist failures to the south.
    How do you explain the election of Trump?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    Who's seen this and what do you think about it?

    https://europathelastbattle.wordpress.com/watch/
    Only watched the first one... gruesome... history on track to repeat itself?

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows



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  23. #49
    Why is this still so complicated to people here? Surely the answer is obvious to us by now.

    The two major parties nominate nothing but socialists. Nothing. But. Socialists. We've seen how that works.

    Then comes the general election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I didn't vote for Trump.
    A POX ON BOTH YOUR PARTIES

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Why is this still so complicated to people here? Surely the answer is obvious to us by now.

    The two major parties nominate nothing but socialists. Nothing. But. Socialists. We've seen how that works.

    Then comes the general election...

    Out of + Rep, so here ya go.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    From your link, I found this link:

    https://secretsourcesblog.wordpress.com/

    I ofcourse don't trust this as an authoritative source, but it gives some credence to the videos being somewhat accurate. One of the key premises of the videos are that the bolsheviks were in large Jewish, and that they ended up killing more Christians than the nazi's did Jews during the holocaust. They go on to say 12 out of every 13 gulags were commanded by a jew.

    Now, I'm not defending national socialism. It is almost as bad as communism. I'm just interested in learning about the supposed history written from the loser's perspective. I doubt what we are taught in history class about WWII was 100% accurate either.

    I find it interesting the nazis were fighting the same people we fought during the cold war, the same forces that steadily gain power in our own country today. I find it suspicious that the only label that can out trump racist is an anti semite. Who controls the news, the media, even social media? You can't even come close to asking such a question at the national level. Consequently, the only sources you find about such history comes from videos like these, that have little credibility.
    That word "somewhat" is a pretty big loophole. The best liars and the best propaganda work by being somewhat accurate.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Poor Americans don't vote for communism at the rate the immigrants do.
    This is not true.

    In most elections, including the most recent three, nonhispanic whites vote (which means they vote for Socialists) at higher rates than nonhispanic blacks, hispanics, or other.
    http://www.electproject.org/home/vot...t/demographics

    And among those whites, it isn't primarily the poor ones who are voting, but the wealthier ones.
    https://econofact.org/voting-and-income

    It is literally the case that the group in America that votes for socialism at the highest rates is wealthy whites, to the tune of about 85%. And as you move outside of that group to nonwhites and lower income people, they vote for socialists at progressively lower rates to the point that among the lowest income groups a full majority refrains from voting for socialists, and this percentage that refrains from voting for socialists is especially high among nonwhites, particularly hispanics.
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 11-15-2019 at 09:14 AM.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    How do you explain the election of Trump?
    A squeaker, possible only because of the vagaries of the electoral college.

    If the millions of migrants in California that voted Hillary had been tallied in some way, she would have won handily.

    That, and the people that support him just want a different variety of socialism, as I am reminded of all the time.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That, and the people that support him just want a different variety of socialism, as I am reminded of all the time.
    If you knew the real answer all the time, why did you type those two silly paragraphs first?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I didn't vote for Trump.
    A POX ON BOTH YOUR PARTIES

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    A squeaker, possible only because of the vagaries of the electoral college.

    If the millions of migrants in California that voted Hillary had been tallied in some way, she would have won handily.
    The general election doesn't explain him winning the primary. Libertarians aren't winning the GOP primary.

    That, and the people that support him just want a different variety of socialism, as I am reminded of all the time.
    I agree. But I don't recall Trump pushing socialism during the primary. Maybe he did. It's hard to say. Drunk monkey was all over the map on so many things.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    This is not true.

    In most elections, including the most recent three, nonhispanic whites vote (which means they vote for Socialists) at higher rates than nonhispanic blacks, hispanics, or other.
    Huh?

    In 2008 blacks voted 94 to 4 for Obama
    Hispanics voted 67 to 31 for Obama

    In 2012 blacks voted 93 to 6 for Obama
    Hispanics voted 71 to 27 for Obama

    In 2016 blacks voted 89 to 8 for Clinton
    Hispanics voted 66 to 28 for Clinton.

    https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2016



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I agree. But I don't recall Trump pushing socialism during the primary. Maybe he did. It's hard to say. Drunk monkey was all over the map on so many things.
    I do recall that. He praised other nations' socialized healthcare programs, while campaigning for the Republican primaries. He mocked other Republicans for wanting to cut agricultural subsidies. He mocked the most modest entitlement reform proposals as wanting the elderly to starve. He openly advocated protectionist trade policies. And he made his most defining issue the construction of a border wall. He touted his leftist sister as a great option for a Supreme Court justice (his later adoption of the list of candidates that Heritage Foundation gave him didn't come until after he had already won the nomination). He sounded like a mid-twentieth century Democrat running in a general election. And he won the Republican primary that way.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    The general election doesn't explain him winning the primary. Libertarians aren't winning the GOP primary.
    You're average GOPer doesn't care for freedom any more than a Bolshie democrat.

    Trump won the primary, assuming no hank panky was going on, because the democrats have abandoned white working class people (to be fair, they have abandoned working class folks of all types) in exchange for an identity coalition of circus freaks.

    There's still enough of the old electorate around to make jobs the number one issue.

    I agree. But I don't recall Trump pushing socialism during the primary. Maybe he did. It's hard to say. Drunk monkey was all over the map on so many things.
    No, he wasn't, not that I recall...but yeah, who knows as he ambles about all over the map, what might have been said.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Huh?

    In 2008 blacks voted 94 to 4 for Obama
    Hispanics voted 67 to 31 for Obama

    In 2012 blacks voted 93 to 6 for Obama
    Hispanics voted 71 to 27 for Obama

    In 2016 blacks voted 89 to 8 for Clinton
    Hispanics voted 66 to 28 for Clinton.

    https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2016
    Yes. And the others voted for McCain, Romney, and Trump.

    But the number who voted for none of the above (i.e. who didn't vote for socialism) was higher among blacks than whites in all except 2012. And income was an even more significant factor than race, with only a tiny minority of the highest income group refraining from voting for socialists, while the majority of the lowest income voters refrained.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I do recall that. He praised other nations' socialized healthcare programs, while campaigning for the Republican primaries. He mocked other Republicans for wanting to cut agricultural subsidies. He mocked the most modest entitlement reform proposals as wanting the elderly to starve. He openly advocated protectionist trade policies. And he made his most defining issue the construction of a border wall. He touted his leftist sister as a great option for a Supreme Court justice (his later adoption of the list of candidates that Heritage Foundation gave him didn't come until after he had already won the nomination). He sounded like a mid-twentieth century Democrat running in a general election. And he won the Republican primary that way.
    Trump praised the Affordable Care Act? I don't recall that. Protectionist trade policies predate socialism. So do border walls. I'm not saying I agree with either of those things, I don't see a viable argument for labeling them as "socialist." But I agree on your other points. I didn't remember all that but I'll take your word for it. As I told AF he was all over the map.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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