Why Do Elections Favor Socialists Over Libertarians?

[Zippyjuan]

LOL

There have been uncountable words written regarding the circumventions of the Constitution, your stupid question isn't worth answering.
But I'll give you a hint: There are limits placed in the Constitution on the Congressional powers to make laws and collect taxes.

Try reading the Constitution for the first time in your life, it won't kill you.

I see. You can't find anything either but had to post anyways. Gotta get that post count up! Thanks for trying.

[Swordsmyth]

I see. You can't find anything either but had to post anyways. Thanks for trying.

Your feigned ignorance is not a reason anyone should waste their time correcting you.
You have been here long enough to know the answer.

[Slave Mentality]

So true, universal health care, and UBI Basic Income............lol
What does all this free stuff mean ?
Take from someone that works, and give it to those that wouldn't dream of it , give it
to slugs so they'll vote for you.

Or take it from someone who works and give it to multinational corporations for military contracts to kill people in countries most people couldn’t point to on a map. Corporate welfare is some evil $#@! too. Slugs are abound when money can be printed.

[Grandmastersexsay]

Who's seen this and what do you think about it?

https://europathelastbattle.wordpress.com/watch/

[Gumba of Liberty]

A little too much navel gazing for my taste...no need to make this difficult.

A - Free $#@! is popular, especially to a nation of retards.

B - Freedom is NOT popular, for the same reason.

C - Socialism is popular to the millions and millions of migrant invaders fleeing socialist failures to the south.

D. Propaganda starting in the 1920s by the likes of Edward Bernays, nephew of Sigmond Freud, has manipulated the minds of the American people, created an illusion of choice, and manufactured consent for tyranny by using propaganda to tap into the subconscious and make people “feel” certain ways about certain things, groups, and even words. These techniques were used by the CIA/M16 British Empire to create duopolies of false choice “Republicans v Democrats” “Pepsi v Coke” etc. Political parties were infiltrated to ensure all polices benefit the empire. This includes running wacky candidates (think David Duke) and attaching themselves to the self-proclaimed enemies of the empire, be it: libertarian, constitutionalist, tea party, truther, patriot, militia, gun owners etc.

[euphemia]

Because Libertarians mock actual voting.

[Brian4Liberty]

A little too much navel gazing for my taste...no need to make this difficult.

A - Free $#@! is popular, especially to a nation of retards.

B - Freedom is NOT popular, for the same reason.

C - Socialism is popular to the millions and millions of migrant invaders fleeing socialist failures to the south.

Free stuff is key. Americans are increasingly becoming dependent children. Someone else has to do things for them. Someone else needs to take care of them. Socialists offer to do that, even though they really can’t and won’t (it’s a scam, they just want power). On top of that, they rationalize the helplessness by giving them an excuse. They are all victims, and it’s not their fault. No need to take responsibility for anything, because you are not responsible for anything.

[Brian4Liberty]

“It would appear that the Libertarian Party has opted to cast itself in such a way so as to appeal to secularists, globalists, and social liberals, and to play down what one would think are libertarian positions, such as limited government.”

Some elements of the LP and the “libertarian” community have found where their bread gets buttered. Globalism pays the bills and serves so many special interest agendas.

[Swordsmyth]

Some elements of the LP and the “libertarian” community have found where their bread gets buttered. Globalism pays the bills and serves so many special interest agendas.

The wages of evil are lucrative in this life.

[Stratovarious]

Or take it from someone who works and give it to multinational corporations for military contracts to kill people in countries most people couldn’t point to on a map. Corporate welfare is some evil $#@! too. Slugs are abound when money can be printed.

Absolutely, and take if from the producers/tax payers and give it too the bank bailout funds.

...and today , a decent loaf or bread is about $5.00 , print and steal with inflation.

[Superfluous Man]

Not really. The Framers hated democracy.

Some of them said that. But those who ratified the Constitution didn't hate it enough to not ratify it.

The Constitution they ratified limited voting to white, male property owners.

Nowhere is that in the Constitution they ratified.

[Anti Federalist]

Some of them said that. But those who ratified the Constitution didn't hate it enough to not ratify it.

Nowhere is that in the Constitution they ratified.

He's right, you know...

[Superfluous Man]

Who's seen this and what do you think about it?

https://europathelastbattle.wordpress.com/watch/

I haven't seen it. But it looks like it's up to no good.
https://www.quora.com/Can-someone-re...he-Last-Battle

[Philhelm]

Which part of the Constitution was circumvented?

Bill of Rights, "necessary and proper," and "interstate commerce."

[Superfluous Man]

Bill of Rights, "necessary and proper," and "interstate commerce."

Possibly. On the other hand, maybe the wiggle-room some of those clauses gave was there on purpose all along. Hamilton, who was the primary author of the Constitution, certainly had an agenda of focusing power on a centralized federal government more than he let on in the Federalist Papers.

[Grandmastersexsay]

I haven't seen it. But it looks like it's up to no good.
https://www.quora.com/Can-someone-re...he-Last-Battle

From your link, I found this link:

https://secretsourcesblog.wordpress.com/

I ofcourse don't trust this as an authoritative source, but it gives some credence to the videos being somewhat accurate. One of the key premises of the videos are that the bolsheviks were in large Jewish, and that they ended up killing more Christians than the nazi's did Jews during the holocaust. They go on to say 12 out of every 13 gulags were commanded by a jew.

Now, I'm not defending national socialism. It is almost as bad as communism. I'm just interested in learning about the supposed history written from the loser's perspective. I doubt what we are taught in history class about WWII was 100% accurate either.

I find it interesting the nazis were fighting the same people we fought during the cold war, the same forces that steadily gain power in our own country today. I find it suspicious that the only label that can out trump racist is an anti semite. Who controls the news, the media, even social media? You can't even come close to asking such a question at the national level. Consequently, the only sources you find about such history comes from videos like these, that have little credibility.

[jmdrake]

A little too much navel gazing for my taste...no need to make this difficult.

A - Free $#@! is popular, especially to a nation of retards.

B - Freedom is NOT popular, for the same reason.

C - Socialism is popular to the millions and millions of migrant invaders fleeing socialist failures to the south.

How do you explain the election of Trump?

[shakey1]

Who's seen this and what do you think about it?

https://europathelastbattle.wordpress.com/watch/

Only watched the first one... gruesome... history on track to repeat itself?

[acptulsa]

Why is this still so complicated to people here? Surely the answer is obvious to us by now.

The two major parties nominate nothing but socialists. Nothing. But. Socialists. We've seen how that works.

Then comes the general election...

[PAF]

Why is this still so complicated to people here? Surely the answer is obvious to us by now.

The two major parties nominate nothing but socialists. Nothing. But. Socialists. We've seen how that works.

Then comes the general election...

Out of + Rep, so here ya go.

[Superfluous Man]

From your link, I found this link:

https://secretsourcesblog.wordpress.com/

I ofcourse don't trust this as an authoritative source, but it gives some credence to the videos being somewhat accurate. One of the key premises of the videos are that the bolsheviks were in large Jewish, and that they ended up killing more Christians than the nazi's did Jews during the holocaust. They go on to say 12 out of every 13 gulags were commanded by a jew.

Now, I'm not defending national socialism. It is almost as bad as communism. I'm just interested in learning about the supposed history written from the loser's perspective. I doubt what we are taught in history class about WWII was 100% accurate either.

I find it interesting the nazis were fighting the same people we fought during the cold war, the same forces that steadily gain power in our own country today. I find it suspicious that the only label that can out trump racist is an anti semite. Who controls the news, the media, even social media? You can't even come close to asking such a question at the national level. Consequently, the only sources you find about such history comes from videos like these, that have little credibility.

That word "somewhat" is a pretty big loophole. The best liars and the best propaganda work by being somewhat accurate.

[Superfluous Man]

Poor Americans don't vote for communism at the rate the immigrants do.

This is not true.

In most elections, including the most recent three, nonhispanic whites vote (which means they vote for Socialists) at higher rates than nonhispanic blacks, hispanics, or other.
http://www.electproject.org/home/vot...t/demographics

And among those whites, it isn't primarily the poor ones who are voting, but the wealthier ones.
https://econofact.org/voting-and-income

It is literally the case that the group in America that votes for socialism at the highest rates is wealthy whites, to the tune of about 85%. And as you move outside of that group to nonwhites and lower income people, they vote for socialists at progressively lower rates to the point that among the lowest income groups a full majority refrains from voting for socialists, and this percentage that refrains from voting for socialists is especially high among nonwhites, particularly hispanics.

[Anti Federalist]

How do you explain the election of Trump?

A squeaker, possible only because of the vagaries of the electoral college.

If the millions of migrants in California that voted Hillary had been tallied in some way, she would have won handily.

That, and the people that support him just want a different variety of socialism, as I am reminded of all the time.

[acptulsa]

That, and the people that support him just want a different variety of socialism, as I am reminded of all the time.

If you knew the real answer all the time, why did you type those two silly paragraphs first?

[jmdrake]

A squeaker, possible only because of the vagaries of the electoral college.

If the millions of migrants in California that voted Hillary had been tallied in some way, she would have won handily.

The general election doesn't explain him winning the primary. Libertarians aren't winning the GOP primary.

That, and the people that support him just want a different variety of socialism, as I am reminded of all the time.

I agree. But I don't recall Trump pushing socialism during the primary. Maybe he did. It's hard to say. Drunk monkey was all over the map on so many things.

[Anti Federalist]

This is not true.

In most elections, including the most recent three, nonhispanic whites vote (which means they vote for Socialists) at higher rates than nonhispanic blacks, hispanics, or other.

Huh?

In 2008 blacks voted 94 to 4 for Obama
Hispanics voted 67 to 31 for Obama

In 2012 blacks voted 93 to 6 for Obama
Hispanics voted 71 to 27 for Obama

In 2016 blacks voted 89 to 8 for Clinton
Hispanics voted 66 to 28 for Clinton.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2016

[Superfluous Man]

I agree. But I don't recall Trump pushing socialism during the primary. Maybe he did. It's hard to say. Drunk monkey was all over the map on so many things.

I do recall that. He praised other nations' socialized healthcare programs, while campaigning for the Republican primaries. He mocked other Republicans for wanting to cut agricultural subsidies. He mocked the most modest entitlement reform proposals as wanting the elderly to starve. He openly advocated protectionist trade policies. And he made his most defining issue the construction of a border wall. He touted his leftist sister as a great option for a Supreme Court justice (his later adoption of the list of candidates that Heritage Foundation gave him didn't come until after he had already won the nomination). He sounded like a mid-twentieth century Democrat running in a general election. And he won the Republican primary that way.

[Anti Federalist]

The general election doesn't explain him winning the primary. Libertarians aren't winning the GOP primary.

You're average GOPer doesn't care for freedom any more than a Bolshie democrat.

Trump won the primary, assuming no hank panky was going on, because the democrats have abandoned white working class people (to be fair, they have abandoned working class folks of all types) in exchange for an identity coalition of circus freaks.

There's still enough of the old electorate around to make jobs the number one issue.

I agree. But I don't recall Trump pushing socialism during the primary. Maybe he did. It's hard to say. Drunk monkey was all over the map on so many things.

No, he wasn't, not that I recall...but yeah, who knows as he ambles about all over the map, what might have been said.

[Superfluous Man]

Huh?

In 2008 blacks voted 94 to 4 for Obama
Hispanics voted 67 to 31 for Obama

In 2012 blacks voted 93 to 6 for Obama
Hispanics voted 71 to 27 for Obama

In 2016 blacks voted 89 to 8 for Clinton
Hispanics voted 66 to 28 for Clinton.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2016

Yes. And the others voted for McCain, Romney, and Trump.

But the number who voted for none of the above (i.e. who didn't vote for socialism) was higher among blacks than whites in all except 2012. And income was an even more significant factor than race, with only a tiny minority of the highest income group refraining from voting for socialists, while the majority of the lowest income voters refrained.

[jmdrake]

I do recall that. He praised other nations' socialized healthcare programs, while campaigning for the Republican primaries. He mocked other Republicans for wanting to cut agricultural subsidies. He mocked the most modest entitlement reform proposals as wanting the elderly to starve. He openly advocated protectionist trade policies. And he made his most defining issue the construction of a border wall. He touted his leftist sister as a great option for a Supreme Court justice (his later adoption of the list of candidates that Heritage Foundation gave him didn't come until after he had already won the nomination). He sounded like a mid-twentieth century Democrat running in a general election. And he won the Republican primary that way.

Trump praised the Affordable Care Act? I don't recall that. Protectionist trade policies predate socialism. So do border walls. I'm not saying I agree with either of those things, I don't see a viable argument for labeling them as "socialist." But I agree on your other points. I didn't remember all that but I'll take your word for it. As I told AF he was all over the map.