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    Cities Banning Natural Gas Stoves in New Construction

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    U.S. Cities Ban Natural Gas to Combat Climate Change; Gas Ranges on Chopping Block


    The fight against climate change is coming to our kitchens – and our bathrooms and laundry rooms.


    Cities across the United States are banning the use of natural gas in new construction; others are considering such a ban. That could mean the end of gas ranges, heating systems and clothes dryers in new homes.


    Berkeley was first.


    Officials in the Northern California city voted unanimously in July to ban natural gas in newly constructed buildings, becoming the first city in the country to do so, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.


    "We need to tackle climate change every way that we can and by doing this, we’re not asking people to change that much," Berkeley City Council member Kate Harrison said, according to KQED.


    "It’s going to give us a better life. We’re going to have a cleaner environment. We’re going to have less health problems. We’re going to have less danger in our homes," said Harrison, who led the initiative.

    So far, a dozen other California cities and one county have adopted a natural gas ban or building codes that encourage all-electric construction, according to the Sierra Club. They include San Jose, Santa Monica, San Luis Obispo, Palo Alto, Mountainview and Marin County.


    San Francisco, Sacramento and Los Angeles are developing goals to cut emissions from buildings, KQED reported. Overall, 50 cities and counties across California are considering policies to support all-electric new construction, the Sierra Club said.


    Cities in Massachusetts, Oregon and Washington state also are contemplating all-electric requirements, according to the Sierra Club.
    In Brookline, Massachusetts, near Boston, a town official has proposed banning new gas pipelines and infrastructure in future major construction, according to WBUR.


    "The most practical and cost effective way to achieve that goal is not to install new fossil fuel systems when we're building new buildings and when we are gut-renovating them," Town Meeting member Jesse Gray said.

    Gray estimates a ban would cut the town's climate change emissions 15% over the next 30 years. His proposal will be voted on during the town meeting on Nov. 19.


    Natural gas, which is mostly methane, releases carbon dioxide when it is burned. Carbon dioxide is the primary greenhouse gas causing climate change. Environmentalists also say there is growing evidence that unburned gas leaking from pipes and compressor stations harms the climate more than carbon dioxide, Reuters reported.


    Officials and environmentalists pushing for the natural gas bans want buildings to use electricity generated by renewable sources, according to USA Today.


    Thirty-three percent of carbon dioxide emissions from electricity generation come from natural gas, according to the U.S. Energy Information Agency.


    "There’s no pathway to stabilizing the climate without phasing gas out of our homes and buildings. This is a must-do for the climate and a livable planet," Rachel Golden of the Sierra Club’s building electrification campaign told USA Today.


    Karen Harbert, president and CEO of the American Gas Association, said, "The idea that denying access to natural gas in new homes is necessary to meet emissions reduction goals is false. In fact, denying access to natural gas could make meeting emissions goals harder and more expensive."


    Another industry group, the American Public Gas Association, hopes to boost support for natural gas among 25- to 44-year-old homeowners with ads showing people enjoying hot showers, cooking on gas stoves and relaxing by a fire pit, Reuters reported.

    "We are trying to get ahead of it," said Stuart Saulters, the association's director of Government Affairs. "We think there is a chance this can domino."
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    To be fair, putting down new gas lines sounds like a really bad idea these days, especially in earthquake zones. You have to have an electrical grid anyway, so increasing its capacity to cover things like heating and cooking has to be a lot cheaper than putting down an electrical grid AND a gas line. And electrical grids usually don't go boom. If you want energy from gas, run a pipeline to a power station and feed electricity to end users.

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    Electricity is the least efficient method of heating. Hilarious.

    Here's a thought- you could solve 100% of your city's "emissions" by killing yourselves.

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    communism decides for you

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    Give us viable renewables, and everyone will be onboard, we're not there yet,
    Hydro is clean and responsible, yet it provides approx. 7% of our energy, solar
    is woefully inefficient, (wait till we start stacking solar panel graveyards one
    on top of the other 100 miles high and or pretend we are saving the environment ,
    by recycling them) crop based fuels compete with the food chain,
    they depletes nutrients from our soil, and pushes us further into malnutrition as well
    as pressures food costs to the point where the average person
    will no longer be able to afford to eat, Nuclear is absolute insanity, wind is essentially
    a tax right off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wooden Indian View Post
    Electricity is the least efficient method of heating. Hilarious.
    ??


    Are you quoting something , or just stating that electricity is least efficient and the article is hilarious ?

    In other words are you saying that electricity is inefficient for heating or anyone that thinks that is hilarious...?

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    ''Cities across the United States are banning the use of natural gas in new construction; others are considering such a ban. That could mean the end of gas ranges, heating systems and clothes dryers in new homes.''


    So, lets burn down some more forests with faulty electric power lines , that's sure Green......?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilrain View Post
    To be fair, putting down new gas lines sounds like a really bad idea these days, especially in earthquake zones. You have to have an electrical grid anyway, so increasing its capacity to cover things like heating and cooking has to be a lot cheaper than putting down an electrical grid AND a gas line. And electrical grids usually don't go boom. If you want energy from gas, run a pipeline to a power station and feed electricity to end users.

    That sounds pretty good, but the push is for BIG GRIDS, similar to Globalism, these gas lines
    to feed powerplants
    can be shut down over night, and that's what they'll do.

    Regardless, the push is for 'dependence', the removal of choices, competition, and selection of methods available
    to accomplish a given task.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    That sounds pretty good, but the push is for BIG GRIDS, similar to Globalism, these gas lines
    to feed powerplants
    can be shut down over night, and that's what they'll do.

    Regardless, the push is for 'dependence', the removal of choices, competition, and selection of methods available
    to accomplish a given task.
    Wouldn't it be just as easy to shut down the gas supply to whole areas, as shutting down the gas supply to power stations? There are always distribution hubs that can be turned off.

    More choice is good, but redundancy is also expensive, and in the case of gas, dangerous. When it comes to avoiding dependence and such, I would prefer individuals buying their own systems, even gas ones, with containers stored on-site. And not living in a city, of course.

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    Not good enough.

    Soylent Green doesn't need cooking.

    Ban all stoves.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilrain View Post
    Wouldn't it be just as easy to shut down the gas supply to whole areas, as shutting down the gas supply to power stations? There are always distribution hubs that can be turned off.

    More choice is good, but redundancy is also expensive, and in the case of gas, dangerous. When it comes to avoiding dependence and such, I would prefer individuals buying their own systems, even gas ones, with containers stored on-site. And not living in a city, of course.
    Absolutely, I've been writing and encouraging this for 17 years, I agree 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Not good enough.

    Soylent Green doesn't need cooking.

    Ban all stoves.
    Ban everything, then make everything legal with permits and taxes.




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