Berlin Sending Trump A Piece of Their Wall

[Swordsmyth]

States don't have much incentive to nuke their own subjects.

I'd like to see all of the people of the West united in a federation, which would mean the US et al joining the EU, or everyone joining some new entity. This would include Russia, ultimately, after a non-retarded US President negotiated a solution re Ukraine and Georgia. This would prevent a Sino-American war, simply because the Chinese couldn't possibly win against that kind of block. The very big picture is that human beings on Earth will have to come together at some point, contra this tribalism, or there will be a nuclear war and we will revert to the stone age.

States can kill just as many without them and they are more likely to use them when globalism causes them to fight for dominance of the global empire.

We can avoid nuclear war without surrendering to a tyrannical global empire.

[r3volution 3.0]

States can kill just as many without them and they are more likely to use them when globalism causes them to fight for dominance of the global empire.

We can avoid nuclear war without surrendering to a tyrannical global empire.

There's no reason that a federation (whether of American states, or European states, or Western states, or all of the states in this world) has to be tyrannical, that's just your silly nationalistic bias. But if there isn't some kind of union, if war continues, the endgame is pretty obvious. We (or our ancestors, depending on our age) could very easily have all been annihilated in October 1962. On a long enough timeline, with enough of those crises, it will eventually go wrong. And then, additionally, we have "missile defense," which actually means the ability to launch a first strike and survive the retaliatory strike. This is becoming a real possibility and is severely undermining MAD, which has kept the peace since the end of the last war. If there are any statesmen, as opposed to politicians, remaining in this democratic world, some very serious choices are going to need to be made quite soon. Do we want to get nuked and lose every development of the last two thousand years in the name of Germany and America and Japan and so forth, or do we want to not have that war.

[Swordsmyth]

There's no reason that a federation (whether of American states, or European states, or Western states, or all of the states in this world) has to be tyrannical, that's just your silly nationalistic bias. But if there isn't some kind of union, if war continues, the endgame is pretty obvious. We (or our ancestors, depending on our age) could very easily have all been annihilated in October 1962. On a long enough timeline, with enough of those crises, it will eventually go wrong. And then, additionally, we have "missile defense," which actually means the ability to launch a first strike and survive the retaliatory strike. This is becoming a real possibility and is severely undermining MAD, which has kept the peace since the end of the last war. If there are any statesmen, as opposed to politicians, remaining in this democratic world, some very serious choices are going to need to be made quite soon. Do we want to get nuked and lose every development of the last two thousand years in the name of Germany and America and Japan and so forth, or do we want to not have that war.

You sound like Republicanguy.

The larger a government is the greater its tendency to become tyrannical.
And there is no reason separate nations can't remain at peace.
Missile Defense is the solution to the problem you fear so much, if nukes are destroyed in space without firing their payloads then nuclear war will become pointless.

[r3volution 3.0]

You sound like Republicanguy.

Don't be an ass.

The larger a government is the greater its tendency to become tyrannical.
And there is no reason separate nations can't remain at peace.
Missile Defense is the solution to the problem you fear so much, if nukes are destroyed in space without firing their payloads then nuclear war will become pointless.

There's no reason that criminals have to commit crimes, ...and yet they, somehow, do.

Maybe you can identify for us a time and place in world history when and where neighboring states didn't go to war.

Ancient Greece...nope

Ancient Italy...nope

Medieval Europe...lol

...?

O wait, I know, states since 1945...

See: Missile Defense, end of MAD

[Swordsmyth]

There's no reason that criminals have to commit crimes, ...and yet they, somehow, do.

Maybe you can identify for us a time and place in world history when and where neighboring states didn't go to war.

Ancient Greece...nope

Ancient Italy...nope

Medieval Europe...lol

...?

As soon as you list a time when large empires didn't go to war.
Small nations wage small wars (and less frequently) and large empires wage large wars. (and more frequently)

[r3volution 3.0]

As soon as you list a time when large empires didn't go to war.
Small nations wage small wars (and less frequently) and large empires wage large wars. (and more frequently)

Small state systems (such as ancient Greece or medieval Italy) fight many more wars than empires (e.g. Rome).

But, as interesting as this topic may be, it isn't really relevant to the issue in question, is it?

One war between one nuclear armed power and another means the end of the world as we know it.

If that war happens yearly, then we're all dead in a year; if happens every 5 years, then we're all dead in 5 years; etc.

SS, if the year were 550 A.D., and it were spears and bows, I wouldn't be so worked up.

The whole problem is that war now is apocalyptically destructive.

We have gotten disturbingly good at killing one another.