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    Thumbs up GOP House candidate wants to stop immigration for 10 years

    A Republican from Wilmington is challenging Republican U.S. Rep. David Rouzer in the 2020 election.
    Pete D’Abrosca announced his candidacy several weeks ago. He and Rouzer will face each other in the 7th District GOP primary in March. The 7th District runs from Wilmington to Wayne County and southern Johnston in eastern North Carolina. In the Fayetteville region it has Sampson County and the southeastern end of Bladen County.


    D’Abrosca, 27, has two published books (his most-recent is “Enemies: The Press vs. The American People”) and he writes articles and commentary for conservative news websites. He also is the editor-in-chief of The Rundown, a recently launched news website.
    In his campaign announcement, D’Abrosca bashes Rouzer as one of the “yes-men” of the Republican establishment that “has actively worked against President Trump at nearly every turn.”
    Immigration is one of D’Abrosca’s top issues.
    “My plan is to introduce flagship legislation in Washington D.C. to put a complete moratorium on immigration to the United States — legal and illegal — for a period of 10 years,” he said in his campaign announcement. This is to give the country time to “restore law and order, and implement a sane immigration policy.”

    More at: https://www.fayobserver.com/news/201...n-for-10-years

    It should be longer but this is a start.
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    It is my understanding that a congress person cannot introduce anything without the approval of those pulling the strings.
    Truth is Fallacy, Fallacy is Evil.

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    This will trigger the Republican Establishment!
    Go Pete D’Abrosca!

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    Sorry, but that sounds like a really dumb idea. It's just unworkable and counter-productive.

    I could get behind a proposal that stipulates zero net immigration, coupled with requiring immigrants to take an IQ test and score above the current US average, and a requirement that you have to pay a certain amount of income tax (like 10x what the median US worker pays in a year) before becoming eligible for any social services.

    But to just say no one can move to the US, under any circumstances, just doesn’t make sense.

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    I remember the old days (10 years ago) when this was a left wing stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    It is my understanding that a congress person cannot introduce anything without the approval of those pulling the strings.
    Are you suggesting puppet masters are running the show? If so, who would those PMs be?

    Such a proposal may impact alleged Russian foreign interference in US elections though:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6865174




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilrain View Post
    Sorry, but that sounds like a really dumb idea. It's just unworkable and counter-productive.

    I could get behind a proposal that stipulates zero net immigration, coupled with requiring immigrants to take an IQ test and score above the current US average, and a requirement that you have to pay a certain amount of income tax (like 10x what the median US worker pays in a year) before becoming eligible for any social services.

    But to just say no one can move to the US, under any circumstances, just doesn’t make sense.
    The problem with mass immigration is that most of them vote for bigger Government.
    We have to many immigrants that are not assimilated. We need to deal with this problem first!

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    The digital economy allows companies to hire foreigners without needing them to come here physically. In 2019, the question should be, why do these employees need to move here to work for you?



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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Are you suggesting puppet masters are running the show? If so, who would those PMs be?


    Such a proposal may impact alleged Russian foreign interference in US elections though:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6865174
    Truth is Fallacy, Fallacy is Evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilrain View Post
    Sorry, but that sounds like a really dumb idea. It's just unworkable and counter-productive.

    I could get behind a proposal that stipulates zero net immigration, coupled with requiring immigrants to take an IQ test and score above the current US average, and a requirement that you have to pay a certain amount of income tax (like 10x what the median US worker pays in a year) before becoming eligible for any social services.

    But to just say no one can move to the US, under any circumstances, just doesn’t make sense.
    I'll bet most immigrants could easily score higher than the US IQ average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilrain View Post
    Sorry, but that sounds like a really dumb idea. It's just unworkable and counter-productive.

    I could get behind a proposal that stipulates zero net immigration, coupled with requiring immigrants to take an IQ test and score above the current US average, and a requirement that you have to pay a certain amount of income tax (like 10x what the median US worker pays in a year) before becoming eligible for any social services.

    But to just say no one can move to the US, under any circumstances, just doesn’t make sense.
    We need to freeze all immigration until further notice in order to deal with the excessive and incompatible immigrants already here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    I'll bet most immigrants could easily score higher than the US IQ average.
    You would lose.

    But thanks for exposing your America hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dean.engelhardt View Post
    I remember the old days (10 years ago) when this was a left wing stand.
    One they never meant and only took in order to fool the right into opposing it.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We need to freeze all immigration until further notice in order to deal with the excessive and incompatible immigrants already here.
    I think that's conflating two separate issues. I totally agree with getting rid of "bad" immigrants - pretty much anyone who is a drain on society, financially or even culturally, and with having a really high bar for immigrants. Basically, you only want immigrants that are "better" than the natives. But you don't actually get rid of any "bad" immigrants by keeping out "good" immigrants, so as a policy measure this sounds rather pointless.

    Edit: But you could have a policy that ties immgration to emigration, meaning that more people have to emigrate (including forced repatriation) than are allowed to immigrate. It's just that a complete freeze on all immigration doesn't make sense. Preventing a Finnish neurosurgeon from moving to the US does not get rid of a single illegal alien or welfare parasite.
    Last edited by Kilrain; 11-07-2019 at 05:57 PM.



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    I think we need a break of about 3-5 years so tptb can clear the backlog of legal applications sitting on their desks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilrain View Post
    I think that's conflating two separate issues. I totally agree with getting rid of "bad" immigrants - pretty much anyone who is a drain on society, financially or even culturally, and with having a really high bar for immigrants. Basically, you only want immigrants that are "better" than the natives. But you don't actually get rid of any "bad" immigrants by keeping out "good" immigrants, so as a policy measure this sounds rather pointless.
    There are no "good" immigrants if they don't assimilate and they won't assimilate while we have so many new arrivals that they don't have to experience the real America.
    We need the freeze to give us time to assimilate any good immigrants and expel the bad ones until we have a low enough proportion of immigrants that those we do let in assimilate.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    There are no "good" immigrants if they don't assimilate and they won't assimilate while we have so many new arrivals that they don't have to experience the real America.
    We need the freeze to give us time to assimilate any good immigrants and expel the bad ones until we have a low enough proportion of immigrants that those we do let in assimilate.
    See my edit above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We need to freeze all immigration until further notice in order to deal with the excessive and incompatible immigrants already here.
    Freeze ALL immigration until Congress, both House AND Senate can come up with a comprehensive and rational process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Freeze ALL immigration until Congress, both House AND Senate can come up with a comprehensive and rational process.
    And then wait to implement it until we deal with the excess we already have.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    10 years sounds like a long time, I was thinking 5 years, but what's the rush , what does America
    owe the world?
    Nada , nadakngthing .

    Lets go with Sword's idea, why put a limit on it, lets put out the stop losses and see where we are when
    the dust settles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Freeze ALL immigration until Congress, both House AND Senate can come up with a comprehensive and rational process.
    This sounds like permanent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilrain View Post

    I could get behind a proposal that stipulates zero net immigration, coupled with requiring immigrants to take an IQ test and score above the current US average, and a requirement that you have to pay a certain amount of income tax (like 10x what the median US worker pays in a year) before becoming eligible for any social services.


    But to just say no one can move to the US, under any circumstances, just doesn’t make sense.
    ^ This ^ on RonPaulForums... just doesn’t make sense.

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    Immigration socialists: I don't know if Ludwig von Mises, Albert Einstein, and Ayn Rand will assimilate. Better keep them out. They are taking all the genius jobs from mediocre American workers.

    The people who founded Google, eBay, Telsa, Intel and tons of other big companies that I can't think of off the top my head were founded by immigrants.

    "In fact, 40% of the Fortune 500 was founded by immigrants or the children of immigrants. "
    "Immigrants started 28.5% of all new businesses in 2014." https://www.inc.com/dustin-mckissen/...epreneurs.html

    There is some middle ground on immigration. But keeping immigrants out for ten years is the kind of idea a 27 year who runs a blog that makes zero money and wants attention would come up with. Letting immigrants buy the right of entry just like they buy a house or college education is probably the best solution. They regulates immigration automatically based on the need in the economy.

    I don't even really understand the argument for keeping any immigrant with a STEM degree out. The reality is college educated immigrants are much smarter and more industrious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    This sounds like permanent.

    That'd be fine too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Immigration socialists: I don't know if Ludwig von Mises, Albert Einstein, and Ayn Rand will assimilate. Better keep them out. They are taking all the genius jobs from mediocre American workers.

    The people who founded Google, eBay, Telsa, Intel and tons of other big companies that I can't think of off the top my head were founded by immigrants.

    "In fact, 40% of the Fortune 500 was founded by immigrants or the children of immigrants. "
    "Immigrants started 28.5% of all new businesses in 2014." https://www.inc.com/dustin-mckissen/...epreneurs.html

    There is some middle ground on immigration. But keeping immigrants out for ten years is the kind of idea a 27 year who runs a blog that makes zero money and wants attention would come up with. Letting immigrants buy the right of entry just like they buy a house or college education is probably the best solution. They regulates immigration automatically based on the need in the economy.

    Another cash register libertarian.
    It's not about economics, it's about political culture, you will lose all the economic benefit you imagine you will get and more when the unassimilating immigrants impose communism.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    That'd be fine too.
    Yep, the safest times for America is also when Congress is not in session.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Another cash register libertarian.
    It's not about economics, it's about political culture, you will lose all the economic benefit you imagine you will get and more when the unassimilating immigrants impose communism.

    Good point. The disproportionate number of immigrants who excel in STEM and entrepreneurship are a real drain on the culture. The toothless meth and opioid addicted real Americans are what give the country "culture" and make it great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Good point. The disproportionate number of immigrants who excel in STEM and entrepreneurship are a real drain on the culture. The toothless meth and opioid addicted real Americans are what give the country "culture" and make it great.
    Your biased Oikophobic view of Americans makes no difference, the immigrants vote for much larger government at much higher rates.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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