Impeachment attempts by Democrats is malicious prosecution

[dude58677]

Do you honestly think the Democrats thought Trump had a chance to be elected?

It was an insurance policy in the unlikely event that he would win. You’d have to be an OJ juror to deny this took place at the very least since 2016 Election Day but they did it even before. Hillary was even accusing Donald Trump of Collusion during the Presidential debates and it was mentioned on the news during the campaign.

[TheCount]

That's irrelevant, it is a judicial power assigned to Congress.

Still no.

And you need to be reminded again?

When you get like this, it rather accurately describes your behavior. You're saying that the legislature has judicial powers. Might as well say that the grass is blue and that the sky is green.


Why would you think it's an insult? Take pride in it.

[dude58677]

Still no.




When you get like this, it rather accurately describes your behavior. You're saying that the legislature has judicial powers. Might as well say that the grass is blue and that the sky is green.


Why would you think it's an insult? Take pride in it.

Well Einstein it says “High Crimes and misdemeanors”. Now gee what would that be? Uhhhh Crimes!

The Count: huh huh huh huh what’s a crime? Huh huh huh I don’t get it huh huh huh

[TheCount]

Well Einstein it says “High Crimes and misdemeanors”. Now gee what would that be? Uhhhh Crimes!

Impeachment doesn't declare the person to be guilty of the crime, it only removes them from office.


THEN they would have to be charged and convicted in the judiciary in a trial in order to be punished for the crime. That would be impossible if both were judicial proceedings, because it would represent double jeopardy.

You know, just like it says in the constitution. Try reading it. Here, I'll even help you read it:

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

[dude58677]

Impeachment doesn't convict the person of the crime, it only removes them from office.


THEN they would have to be charged and convicted in the judiciary in a trial.

You know, just like it says in the constitution. Try reading it. Here, I'll even help you read it:

All impeachment’s start in the judicial committee of the Congress. Idiot! Legal actions don’t require jail time. Idiot!

[TheCount]

All impeachment’s start in the judicial committee of the Congress. Idiot! Legal actions don’t require jail time. Idiot!

The judicial committee is full of legislators, not judges.

The judicial committee is not a court.

The judicial committee is not part of the judiciary branch.

[Swordsmyth]

The judicial committee is full of legislators, not judges.

The judicial committee is not a court.

The judicial committee is not part of the judiciary branch.

It's still exercises a judicial power in the case of impeachment.

The Senate TRIAL is a trial, presided over by the Chief Justice of the Supreme court.

[dude58677]

The judicial committee is full of legislators, not judges.

The judicial committee is not a court.

The judicial committee is not part of the judiciary branch.

It’s judicial action inside the legislative branch, dumbass. I’m verbally abusive towards you because I’m sick and tired of these dishonest arguments you make. You know your arguments make no sense and then they drag on because you can’t understand a simple concept.

[Zippyjuan]

Impeachment is the House of Representatives filing charges against a government official. That is not a trial. It is not a judicial exercise. It is a preliminary investigation. There is no finding of guilt or innocence. That comes in the next phase- hearings and a trial in the US Senate. They hear evidence and decide by a vote of at least two thirds of any guilt or innocence.

Clinton was impeached but not found guilty in the Senate. Nixon resigned before he could be impeached.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/i...-process-take/

Impeachment is a political process, not criminal.

Congress has no power to impose criminal penalties on impeached presidents or officials. However criminal courts could try to punish officials if they are believed to have committed crimes.

"There isn't any judicial review of impeachment decisions, so Congress just needs to be satisfied that Trump committed high crimes or misdemeanors," Jens David Ohlin, a law professor and associate dean at Cornell Law School said.

"They are the ultimate judge of what meets that standard."

Impeachment therefore is at the crossroads of politics and the law. "There's no requirement that the president must have been indicted" for a crime, Ohlin added.

[Swordsmyth]

Impeachment is the House of Representatives filing charges against a government official. That is not a trial. It is not a judicial exercise. It is a preliminary investigation. There is no finding of guilt or innocence. That comes in the next phase- hearings and a trial in the US Senate. They hear evidence and decide by a vote of at least two thirds of any guilt or innocence.

Clinton was impeached but not found guilty in the Senate. Nixon resigned before he could be impeached.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/i...-process-take/

It is like (not the same as but like) a Grand Jury, it is absolutely a judicial power.

[Swordsmyth]

It’s judicial action inside the legislative branch, dumbass. I’m verbally abusive towards you because I’m sick and tired of these dishonest arguments you make. You know your arguments make no sense and then they drag on because you can’t understand a simple concept.

He understands, he just wants to confuse others.

[acptulsa]

The judicial committee is full of legislators, not judges.

The judicial committee is not a court.

The judicial committee is not part of the judiciary branch.

It’s judicial action inside the legislative branch, dumbass. I’m verbally abusive towards you because I’m sick and tired of these dishonest arguments you make. You know your arguments make no sense and then they drag on because you can’t understand a simple concept.

What he said makes perfect sense, and it was no cause to get upset.

Impeachment gives the Senate a chance to remove someone from office. To put them in jail, the judicial branch of the government must then indict that person.

That's all he said. It also sums up why impeachment couldn't possibly be a bill of attainder.

He understands, he just wants to confuse others.

The only way that explanation could leave anyone confused is if they just want to be confused.

[dude58677]

What he said makes perfect sense, and it was no cause to get upset.

Impeachment gives the Senate a chance to remove someone from office. To put them in jail, the judicial branch of the government must then indict that person.

That's all he said. It also sums up why impeachment couldn't possibly be a bill of attainder.



The only way that explanation could leave anyone confused is if they just want to be confused.

We’re talking about malicious prosecution. When did I say anything about attainer?

[Zippyjuan]

It is like (not the same as but like) a Grand Jury, it is absolutely a judicial power.

No, it is not like a Grand Jury. Repeating false information again and again does not make it any more true.

[Swordsmyth]

What he said makes perfect sense, and it was no cause to get upset.

Impeachment gives the Senate a chance to remove someone from office. To put them in jail, the judicial branch of the government must then indict that person.

That's all he said. It also sums up why impeachment couldn't possibly be a bill of attainder.



The only way that explanation could leave anyone confused is if they just want to be confused.

This isn't impeachment because the rules of impeachment aren't being followed, it will be an attainder.
And impeachment is absolutely a judicial power granted to Congress and is subject to all the rules of any judicial proceeding.

[acptulsa]

We’re talking about malicious prosecution. When did I say anything about attainer?

Prosecution is a judicial branch process. Are you sure there are laws of the sort that could possibly apply to the Congress of the United States?

And impeachment is absolutely a judicial power granted to Congress and is subject to all the rules of any judicial proceeding.

The Constitution doesn't say that.

[Swordsmyth]

No, it is not like a Grand Jury. Repeating false information again and again does not make it any more true.

Yes it is, it is like an indictment and then the Senate holds a trial to convict.

[acptulsa]

Yes it is, it is like an indictment and then the Senate holds a trial to convict.

But it doesn't convict, it removes. It isn't a finding of guilt admissible in court. It cannot put anyone in jail.

How many times do you think that should be repeated before everyone gives up and lets you have the last word?

[Swordsmyth]

Prosecution is a judicial branch process. Are you sure there are laws of the sort that could possibly apply to the Congress of the United States?

Except that the Constitution gives it to Congress in the case of impeachment.

The Constitution doesn't say that.

I doesn't say it isn't either, it just says impeachment is in the hands of Congress.
Everyone knew it was a judicial power, that is why the Senate holds a TRIAL presided over by the Chief Justice.

[Swordsmyth]

But it doesn't convict, it removes. It isn't a finding of guilt admissible in court. It cannot put anyone in jail.

It does convict but its sentencing power is limited to removal from office.

6: The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

7: Judgment in Cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

[TheCount]

It’s judicial action inside the legislative branch, dumbass

No it's not, just like the intelligence committee is not an intelligence agency within the legislative branch and the armed forces committee is not a military force within the legislative branch.


The judiciary committee is not a part of the judicial branch and does not have judicial powers. They have legislative powers derived from article one.


Repeating yourself ten more times will not make you any more correct or any less ignorant.

[dude58677]

Prosecution is a judicial branch process. Are you sure there are laws of the sort that could possibly apply to the Congress of the United States?



The Constitution doesn't say that.

Read this Einstein! https://www.cato.org/publications/co...t-not-politics

[TheCount]

Except that the Constitution gives it to Congress in the case of impeachment.

Impeachment is not a judicial proceeding. It is a legislative proceeding.


Try reading the Constitution.

[acptulsa]

No it's not, just like the intelligence committee is not an intelligence agency within the legislative branch and the armed forces committee is not a military force within the legislative branch.


The judiciary committee is not a part of the judicial branch and does not have judicial powers. They have legislative powers derived from article one.

Suppose the House Agriculture Committee has $#@! on their boots?

High Crimes and Misdemeanors you idiot!

Your boss can decide you've committed a crime and fire you, but that's not a judicial proceeding either.

[Swordsmyth]

No it's not, just like the intelligence committee is not an intelligence agency within the legislative branch and the armed forces committee is not a military force within the legislative branch.


The judiciary committee is not a part of the judicial branch and does not have judicial powers. They have legislative powers derived from article one.


Repeating yourself ten more times will not make you any more correct or any less ignorant.

It is a prosecution and a trial that results in conviction or acquittal.
That is a judicial power.

[Swordsmyth]

Impeachment is not a judicial proceeding. It is a legislative proceeding.


Try reading the Constitution.

It is a judicial proceeding, you should try reading the Constitution.

[acptulsa]

It is a judicial proceeding, you should try reading the Constitution.

Does the Judicial Branch do it? Yes or no.

Does anyone get fined or jailed at the end? Yes or no.

Are the net results substantially different from anyone strongly suspected of committing a crime getting fired? Yes or no.

[Zippyjuan]

It is a judicial proceeding, you should try reading the Constitution.

Link to the Constitution saying it is a judicial proceeding?


https://www.famous-trials.com/johnson/487-constitution

The Constitution, Article II, Section 4:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

The Constitution, Article I, Section 3:

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachments shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust, or Profit under the United States, but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment, and Punishmnet, according to Law.

The House of Representatives...shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

ARTICLE I, SECTION 2, CLAUSE 5

[Swordsmyth]

Does the Judicial Branch do it? Yes or no.

The Chief Justice presides.
But that wouldn't even be needed to make it a judicial proceeding.

Does anyone get fined or jailed at the end? Yes or no.

They get convicted and punished.
Are you going to admit you were just plain wrong about the conviction part since it is specified in the Constitution?

Are the net results substantially different from anyone strongly suspected of committing a crime getting fired? Yes or no.

Yes, the target is also disqualified to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States.
Did you even read the part of the Constitution I posted?

[Swordsmyth]

Link to the Constitution saying it is a judicial proceeding?


https://www.famous-trials.com/johnson/487-constitution

It doesn't say so because it isn't necessary, everyone knew what it was.
But it does contain words that prove it is one:

6: The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

7: Judgment in Cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.