Jacob Hornberger Announces Run for Libertarian Presidential Nomination

[Swordsmyth]

Post the whole quote if you're going to quote Dr. Paul. Don't cherry-pick one sentence.

The full quote, since some here cherry-pick that sentence to make it sound like he said something he didn't. He most certainly didn't approach it like the LP bashing Trumpers try to imply he did.



No walls, no deportations, no ICE squads, no FEMA camps, etc.

Dr. Paul's full quote is very much in line with LP platform
https://www.lp.org/platform

2.0 Economic Liberty

Libertarians want all members of society to have abundant opportunities to achieve economic success. A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.

2.4 Government Finance and Spending

All persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor. We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose any legal requirements forcing employers to serve as tax collectors. We support any initiative to reduce or abolish any tax, and oppose any increase on any tax for any reason. To the extent possible, we advocate that all public services be funded in a voluntary manner.

The important part of the quote is that things could change so that we would need to treat immigration as an invasion.

That has now happened.

[Swordsmyth]

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

• Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
  
• Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
  
• No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
  
• No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
  
• End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
  
• Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

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MR. RUSSERT: You say you're a strict constructionist of the Constitution, and yet you want to amend the Constitution to say that children born here should not automatically be U.S. citizens.REP. PAUL: Well, amending the Constitution is constitutional. What's a--what's the contradiction there?
MR. RUSSERT: So in the Constitution as written, you want to amend?
REP. PAUL: Well, that's constitutional, to do it. Besides, it was the 14th Amendment. It wasn't in the original Constitution. And there's a, there's a confusion on interpretation. In the early years, it was never interpreted that way, and it's still confusing because people--individuals are supposed to have birthright citizenship if they're under the jurisdiction of the government. And somebody who illegally comes in this country as a drug dealer, is he under the jurisdiction and their children deserve citizenship? I think it's awfully, awfully confusing, and, and I, I--matter of fact, I have a bill to change that as well as a Constitutional amendment to clarify it.

Well, I start off with saying that it`s a big problem. I don`t like to get involved with the Federal Government very much, but I do think it is a federal responsibility to protect our borders....And that`s why I don`t think our border guards should be sent to Iraq, like we`ve done. I think we need more border guards. But to have the money and the personnel, we have to bring our troops home from Iraq. Ron Paul


More at: http://www.vdare.com/articles/ron-pa...al-sovereignty


Totally free immigration! I`ve never taken that position...Well, you work on both. The most important is the welfare state, but you can still beef up your borders and get rid of some incentives for illegals....Ron Paul


More at: http://www.vdare.com/articles/ron-pa...al-sovereignty

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[angelatc]

Can't we invoke the campaign season rules where supporters are allowed to post articles and detractors aren't allowed to troll? FFS, I literally work for an opposing candidate and I'm not here trashing Hornberger.

[Brian4Liberty]

Post the whole quote if you're going to quote Dr. Paul. Don't cherry-pick one sentence.

The full quote, since some here cherry-pick that sentence to make it sound like he said something he didn't. He most certainly didn't approach it like the LP bashing Trumpers try to imply he did.

No walls, no deportations, no ICE squads, no FEMA camps, etc.
...

The full quote sounds like a paraphrase and expansion of the famous quote by Milton Friedman: "It's just obvious you can't have free immigration and a welfare state."

Another paraphrase might be that unrestrained immigration is not compatible with a Welfare/Warfare state.

But the thread topic is about Jacob Hornberger. The relevant discussion for this thread is where Hornberger stands on the issue, not where everyone else stands on it.

[devil21]

The full quote sounds like a paraphrase and expansion of the famous quote by Milton Friedman: "It's just obvious you can't have free immigration and a welfare state."

Another paraphrase might be that unrestrained immigration is not compatible with a Welfare/Warfare state.

But the thread topic is about Jacob Hornberger. The relevant discussion for this thread is where Hornberger stands on the issue, not where everyone else stands on it.

I wish I could do that but every thread related to the LP quickly becomes a smear fest by the resident GOP xenophobe spokeshandles pushing some variation of divide and conquer. Thread about Hornberger....<insert RP quote that intends to contradict and divide here>. Rinse and repeat.

[Superfluous Man]

The full quote sounds like a paraphrase and expansion of the famous quote by Milton Friedman: "It's just obvious you can't have free immigration and a welfare state."

That quote is also famous because of being similarly taken out of context. In context, it's clear that Friedman's point is a pro-immigration, and specifically pro-illegal immigration one.

[euphemia]

His position on life is admirable. He says abortion is not a legitimate use of government (duh), but he does not say how he would resolve the truckloads of money the government confiscates from us to fund the industry.

[axiomata]

His position on life is admirable. He says abortion is not a legitimate use of government (duh), but he does not say how he would resolve the truckloads of money the government confiscates from us to fund the industry.

I'm quite sure his position would be against taxation to fund abortions.

the funding or subsidization of abortion is not a legitimate function of government, either at a federal or state level.

Taxation
Abolish the federal income tax and the IRS.

People have the fundamental, God-given right to keep everything they earn and decide for themselves what to do with it — spend, save, donate, or invest. The right to keep and dispose of the fruits of one’s earnings is a necessary prerequisite to a free society.

Our American ancestors understood that principle, which is why the American people lived without income taxation for more than a century. When government is prohibited from taking people’s income, the citizens are the masters and the government is the servant.

At the same time, the freedom to accumulate wealth is key to a rising standard of living in society. That’s because people tend to save a portion of their income, which then becomes productive capital in the hands of businesses. Through competition among firms, more productivity brings higher wage rates for workers and a higher overall standard of living for society.

The adoption of the income tax in 1913 changed everything for Americans. By wielding the power to tax people’s income, the federal government became the master and the American people became the servants. To enforce the tax, the federal government brought into existence the Internal Revenue Service, one of the most tyrannical, destructive, and feared agencies in history. At the same time, the income tax is one of the major reasons why young people are today having such a difficult time getting started in life.

The ideally free society is one in which people would be trusted and relied upon to voluntarily fund the legitimate functions of the federal government, which are few and inexpensive. Absent that, the second-best method is the indirect taxation methods chosen by our American ancestors. The most destructive method of taxation is the income tax.

[Superfluous Man]

The important part of the quote is that things could change so that we would need to treat immigration as an invasion.

That has now happened.

We get that you think that. Just don't pretend that that's Ron Paul's position. It clearly isn't.

[devil21]

Mr. Hornberger will be visiting the local LP meetup on Dec 11. I plan to ask him to do a short video interview so if anybody has any questions they'd like me to ask him, post them here. In the absence of your questions, I'll ask him some of the kind of questions that media won't

devil21 doing video interviews of candidates? I'm not sure the world is quite ready lol.

[Sammy]

[devil21]

I met Mr. Hornberger last night. He was very tired from a long day of campaigning so I didn't bother him with doing a video when he wasn't rested. Any way, he gave a good speech, seems like a genuinely good person and, for once, a real Libertarian that has a good chance of winning the nomination. We talked about changes needed in the LP. I asked if he's ever been a member of the CFR and he said "No" and is quite aware of their role. He has a lot of good writings online about aspects of the "deep state". I'm not committing support for him directly at this point but he's definitely a move in the right direction for the LP. A serious candidate with a serious mission.

Donate to his grassroots campaign at:
http://jacobforliberty.com

Read some of his commentary at:
https://www.fff.org

[kona]

Scott Horton and Tom Woods think he's the second best person on the planet after Ron to run. They are joining the LP with Dave Smith and going all in on him.

[phill4paul]

I'm sure he's a nice guy and such, but there is only one candidate that is going to cause a, literal, Progressive meltdown. It's just going to be too funny to behold.