[Disputed] Bernie Sanders Previews Socialist Grocery Store

[Republicanguy]

I have lived long enough to know that nothing, absolutely nothing, lifts more people out of poverty than free markets, limited government and property rights.

In the past, you have. But I mean the future, my future, those younger than me, they have to live in a future that isn't going to be your past. There is no analog tv in that future.

[acptulsa]

I care even less than the wealthy .

That's why liberty is wealth.

We can laugh now at the naive Communists of 90 years ago, with their vision of a world of peace and plenty brought about by centralized bureaucracy. I am not going to gamble my future on a movement that bases so much of its hope on such blatant wishful thinking.

This guy makes good reading, if you edit out the part where he goes astray.

In the past, you have. But I mean the future, my future, those younger than me, they have to live in a future that isn't going to be your past. There is no analog tv in that future.

Ah, but there will be, if communism is depended upon to provide the innovation in the future.

The only thing the Soviets ever innovated was new ways to steal technology from the West. That's the one true lesson of history, for those who have sense enough to learn it.

[Anti Federalist]

In the past, you have. But I mean the future, my future, those younger than me, they have to live in a future that isn't going to be your past. There is no analog tv in that future.

Why are you trying to impose a dead, discredited, wholly incompatible ideology and economic system from the past onto the future.

People being free to own and create wealth is not a "system" or a "scheme" that needs heavy handed enforcement.

[Republicanguy]

Why are you trying to impose a dead, discredited, wholly incompatible ideology and economic system from the past onto the future.

People being free to own and create wealth is not a "system" or a "scheme" that needs heavy handed enforcement.

Yang doesn't propose a communist system. Bernie is a socialist who appeals to the poorest and low skilled.

The future will have AI. Five AI tested a converted 2016 ford mondeo in Greater London in recent weeks gone by, a volunteer was a passenger with two operators who sat in the front. The candidates standing against Trump, Bill Weld, the other guy, christian bloke, well they are all, old, white male, and christian, none offer a path to the future.

The libertarian Mr Weld is loaded due to his background, and his luck. He proposes fiscal conservatism, as he was governor over twenty years ago.

None offer any inkling on how to focus on the future.

[Swordsmyth]

Yang doesn't propose a communist system. Bernie is a socialist who appeals to the poorest and low skilled.

The future will have AI. Five AI tested a converted 2016 ford mondeo in Greater London in recent weeks gone by, a volunteer was a passenger with two operators who sat in the front. The candidates standing against Trump, Bill Weld, the other guy, christian bloke, well they are all, old, white male, and christian, none offer a path to the future.

The libertarian Mr Weld is loaded due to his background, and his luck. He proposes fiscal conservatism, as he was governor over twenty years ago.

None offer any inkling on how to focus on the future.

You surely don't.

[Republicanguy]

You surely don't.

Yeah, Yang, offers something.

[Swordsmyth]

Yeah, Yang, offers something.

Destruction and sorrow.

[Republicanguy]

Destruction and sorrow.

The man offers better policy ideas than any other candidate so far. He's forward thinking.

[Swordsmyth]

The man offers better policy ideas than any other candidate so far. He's forward thinking.

[Republicanguy]

I doubt you'll need the universal system.

[Intoxiklown]

I doubt you'll need the universal system.

LOL.....you really see Yang as a visionary? A forward thinker? He's a dip$#@! that is basing his most popular platform (zomg!!! Free money!!) as visionary economic policy when in fact he's telling off on himself. Artificial intelligence and automation are something that I not only worked in for several years as a robotic engineer and working with ladder logic, but have also been speaking to it's possible and most probable consequences on these forums for years now. Believe it or not, there are a LOT of "old white guys stuck in the past" (some of whom you seem to think you're educating on this very thread) who whether we all agree on every detail or not, are extremely educated on the topic.

Regarding the UBI system, as much as I am pro free markets, I do see it as being something that may have to be implemented in some form or other to manage the transitional years as AI takes on more and more of our current employment availabilities. That is also how pretty much anyone who knows anything regarding this views it. Just as any technological advances has done, AI is going to cause job displacement. Except instead of eliminating particular employment sector AI will utilize automation to do away with easily 40% of jobs as we know them before 2040. And while that technology will eventually lead to new fields there will still be a period (most think around 5 years, but some predict 10+ years) where you have close to half of the nation (well, globe) without any opportunity of employment.

So, the Universal Basic Income plan is the leading idea about how we help our population (and let's be real honest, how the governments can maintain power) get through that period and not taking up arms and to the streets. It's a "best we got for a worse case scenario" plan that's been around for awhile and in no world meant to be something permanent. Until that dumb ass Yang heard a Ted talk on it or something. So you're visionary guy is really just an idiot repeating something he only heard bits about and how it's supposed to work and for how long.

[Anti Federalist]

The man offers better policy ideas than any other candidate so far. He's forward thinking.

Why do I need someone I do not know, have never met, do not agree with and has no vested interest in my desires, do my thinking for me?

[juleswin]

Read the following in Bernie Sanders voice:

“There is too much choice. We don’t need so many things. But some people wants choices, so I will give you two choices. You can have Macaroni and Cheese, or you can have corn muffins. On special occasions and authorized holidays, you have both at the same time as a treat. And no one needs to pay, it will be free, just like in Sweden...”

https://www.twitter.com/Harry1T6/sta...41298956427270

I am sorry but that looks more like a food pantry than a grocery store. What is the name of this grocery store so people an look it up. How is it that nobody else is pointing this out? confirmation bias?

[Madison320]

That problem is even worse under communism, the party leaders live like kings and everyone else starves.

Personally I consider the "mega wealthy" to be a really good thing if they did it in the free market (voluntary exchange).

[juleswin]

The minute I saw this story, I knew it was fake news. There are no socialist grocery stores in the US. And even if they were, they wouldn't be empty. You tend to see those in countries where US is waging an economic ware fare in, those countries just about every store has empty shelves. But after 5 min of research I found confirmation that it is actually a food bank and not a grocery store of any kind.

Que the evidence. And I have to use snopes this time because they actually got it right.

Claim: U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders and U.S. Rep. Rashida Tlaib "pushed socialism" while standing in front of empty grocery-store shelves.

Rating: FALSE

Origin
Self-described democratic socialist and 2020 presidential candidate U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders made a campaign stop at a food pantry in Detroit, Michigan, with fellow progressive politician U.S. Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Michigan. The photograph of the two in front of empty shelves apparently proved too much of a temptation for junk news site The Gateway Pundit.

“PERFECT! Two Radicals Bernie Sanders and Rashida Tlaib Stand in Front of Empty Grocery Store Shelves and Push Socialism,” read the headline of an Oct. 29, 2019, Pundit story.

It’s not true. Sanders and Tlaib were at a food pantry, not a grocery store, and they were talking about basic services like water and power being cut off to low-income residents, not “pushing socialism.”

The picture Gateway Pundit used is a screenshot taken from an Oct. 28, 2019, report by progressive TV news outlet The Young Turks, which sent correspondent Emma Vigeland to Brightmoor Connection Food Pantry in Detroit, where Sanders, an Independent from Vermont running as a Democrat, was joined by Tlaib, who represents Michigan’s 13th district. That district includes the area of Detroit where the pantry is located.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sa...tlaib-shelves/

Listen to the video when he was asked what he would do about privatization of city utilities, did Sanders say he would oppose this move to privatization? no. Instead he says some vague shyte about corporations not making huge profits on the back of the people. This is the communist boogieman people are afraid of. The man can't even oppose privatization of city owned utility companies.

I have send a message to the mods to change the title of this thread. Don't have to like Sanders to see the blatant lie in the title, speak the truth and it would set you free.

[Sammy]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bernie is Nationalizing Grocery stores!

[Sammy]

Yeah, Yang, offers something.

The Problem with his UBI is that he keeps the welfare state & increases Taxes!
We don't need more free $#@! we need less spending!

[juleswin]

Plot twist: It was actually Bernie Sanders that decided they'd film in front of empty grocery shelves.

Plot twist: its actually a food pantry not a grocery store.

[juleswin]

Bump. Who do I have to talk to in order to get the title of the thread changed? I have used the "report post" option and still nothing. I will keep bumping this thread until I get someone's attention. Fake news should not be allowed on this forum without challenge. It doesn't matter who its against, fake news is fake news.

[Swordsmyth]

Personally I consider the "mega wealthy" to be a really good thing if they did it in the free market (voluntary exchange).

I do as well but so few of them did or do get that rich without using the government to rob others.
And I was speaking to someone who considers it to be a problem so I went with that.

[Republicanguy]

LOL.....you really see Yang as a visionary? A forward thinker? He's a dip$#@! that is basing his most popular platform (zomg!!! Free money!!) as visionary economic policy when in fact he's telling off on himself. Artificial intelligence and automation are something that I not only worked in for several years as a robotic engineer and working with ladder logic, but have also been speaking to it's possible and most probable consequences on these forums for years now. Believe it or not, there are a LOT of "old white guys stuck in the past" (some of whom you seem to think you're educating on this very thread) who whether we all agree on every detail or not, are extremely educated on the topic.

Regarding the UBI system, as much as I am pro free markets, I do see it as being something that may have to be implemented in some form or other to manage the transitional years as AI takes on more and more of our current employment availabilities. That is also how pretty much anyone who knows anything regarding this views it. Just as any technological advances has done, AI is going to cause job displacement. Except instead of eliminating particular employment sector AI will utilize automation to do away with easily 40% of jobs as we know them before 2040. And while that technology will eventually lead to new fields there will still be a period (most think around 5 years, but some predict 10+ years) where you have close to half of the nation (well, globe) without any opportunity of employment.

So, the Universal Basic Income plan is the leading idea about how we help our population (and let's be real honest, how the governments can maintain power) get through that period and not taking up arms and to the streets. It's a "best we got for a worse case scenario" plan that's been around for awhile and in no world meant to be something permanent. Until that dumb ass Yang heard a Ted talk on it or something. So you're visionary guy is really just an idiot repeating something he only heard bits about and how it's supposed to work and for how long.

No he read a few books on it.

He doesn't get all the credit, Forward was suggested by somebody close to him as his campaign took off last year. I saw in a clip. Where he was shooting a few hoops with some young guys out in some basket ball court, in the sunshine.

He is a visionary in a sense he is open to the math, and ideas of change. The proposal is to either have the universal system using an added tax, that is how it would be paid for, as for existing welfare that could remain or be withdrawn from those who apply for this new system. So essentially you remove the benefit claims like food stamps, that is the only real unemployment benefit, with the exception of what? Social security.

The Liberty movement only promotes conservatism and past mindsets.

And somebody who on here is a new name, somebody who actually will acknowledge change. So not all liberty people are crazy then. And you really are some old guy are you?

It isn't all the roles will vanish, just those who are low skilled, or unskilled will need this more than qualified employable Americans. That is what is the concern here, like stated there will be serious recession if not dealt with, and no politician could win election by any real majority it would be a coalition government.

[Brian4Liberty]

Bump. Who do I have to talk to in order to get the title of the thread changed? I have used the "report post" option and still nothing. I will keep bumping this thread until I get someone's attention. Fake news should not be allowed on this forum without challenge. It doesn't matter who its against, fake news is fake news.

A strongly worded letter to the Babylon Bee or The Onion might help.

There was a slight chance that your complaints were clever satire upon satire, but that hypothesis may have to be discarded.

[juleswin]

A strongly worded letter to the Babylon Bee or The Onion might help.

There was a slight chance that your complaints were clever satire upon satire, but that hypothesis may have to be discarded.

I really don't know what is being disputed here, its not a grocery store its a food pantry in Detroit. He wasn't previewing anything, he was there to highlight the poor economic state the state is in. He also promoted infrastructure improvement just like Rand has been doing. And when given a chance to promote stopping privatization of public utilities, he refused to take the bait.

Sorry but the title and content of the OP is just wrong. The twitter guy saw Sanders and assumed the worst possible socialist scenario.

[Madison320]

I do as well but so few of them did or do get that rich without using the government to rob others.
And I was speaking to someone who considers it to be a problem so I went with that.

I know, I was just giving you sh*t.

[Anti Federalist]

Plot twist: its actually a food pantry not a grocery store.

Which will be as empty as the grocery stores under President Sanders.

[acptulsa]

I really don't know what is being disputed here...

That would be your claim that you have a sense of humor.

Take a look at that thread title. Read it carefully and think hard about it. Then tell us which members here are so stupid they really need that "[disputed]" in front if it.

[Anti Globalist]

Plot twist: its actually a food pantry not a grocery store.

Either way it was probably his idea to actually film there.

[juleswin]

Either way it was probably his idea to actually film there.

But there is nothing wrong with filming in front of empty shelves in a pantry. Remember he came to the city to check out the economic hardship the people there are facing. So the idea that he is standing behind an empty shelf proves his point.

Also anyone that has ever volunteered for a good pantry knows that food comes in and goes out immediately. The idea is to distribute the food not keep em on the shelves so depending on the day of the week, it is either stocked or almost empty. Food pantries are run very differently from grocery stores and I don't think the Twitter guy in the OP knows that.