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  1. #91
    Even in a republican dominant state, if you go after pensions and unions, you're fkd.

    Imagine the kinds of ads dems were running on him in the last few weeks, thats why he was trailing and needed Trump to show up.

    Some here say Trump cursed him, thats the opposite. His endorsement/victory record is something like 90%+
    Rand Paul : Ultimately, if someone's going to accuse you of something that's going to bring down a presidency, I think we deserve to know who that person is.
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    What a grotesque embarrassment Rand has become
    Ron Paul : If you're accused of a crime, you have the right to face your accuser.
    So if Rand Paul holds the same exact position as his father, it makes him embarrassing?

    Hmmm...ok r3volution 3.0



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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Have all of the military ballots and mail in ballots been counted? Does he have to pay for that?
    Possibly. They were due in by the time polls close. Military counts as part of absentee balloting.

    The following individuals can vote absentee in Kentucky:[10]

    Uniformed service personnel and citizens living abroad
    Students who temporarily reside outside of their home counties
    Voters who temporarily reside outside of Kentucky
    Voters who are incarcerated but have not been convicted
    Voters who are required to be outside of the county for work purposes on Election Day
    Voters "of advanced age"
    Voters who suffer from disability or illness
    Voters who participate in the state's Address Confidentiality Program

    To vote absentee, a request for a ballot must be received by election officials at least seven days prior to the election. The ballot must then be returned by 6:00 p.m. on Election Day.
    https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_in_Kentucky
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-05-2019 at 10:51 PM.
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    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Yes, that is the new tactic from all the trolls.
    They just assert lies over and over no matter how often they are exposed.
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  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Possibly. They were due in by the time polls close. Military counts as part of absentee balloting.



    https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_in_Kentucky
    So a request for an absentee ballot can be made 7 days prior. Then you receive it, say a few days before the election. Then the ballot must be returned, i.e. picked up by the post office, by 6pm on election day? When do those arrive at the polling place?
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Even in a republican dominant state, if you go after pensions and unions, you're fkd.

    Imagine the kinds of ads dems were running on him in the last few weeks, thats why he was trailing and needed Trump to show up.

    Some here say Trump cursed him, thats the opposite. His endorsement/victory record is something like 90%+
    https://ballotpedia.org/Endorsements_by_Donald_Trump

    Endorsements include appearances in television ads, radio ads, at fundraising events, and at campaign rallies. They also include official statements of endorsement by Trump or his re-election campaign, including tweets that explicitly state that Trump supports or endorses a candidate's bid for office.

    This page organizes Trump's endorsements into three groups:

    General endorsements: Trump's endorsements in regularly-scheduled elections, both before and after primaries.
    Special election endorsements: Trump's endorsements in special elections.
    Battleground primary endorsements: Trump's endorsements in Ballotpedia's battleground primaries. All of these endorsements are also included in General endorsements and Special elections.
    Results for 2018:

    General Endorsements: 56 won, 40 lost for 58.3%
    Special Elections: Two won, one lost. 67%.
    Battleground primaries: Sixteen won, one lost - 94%.

    More info at link.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, that is the new tactic from all the trolls.
    They just assert lies over and over no matter how often they are exposed.
    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    So a request for an absentee ballot can be made 7 days prior. Then you receive it, say a few days before the election. Then the ballot must be returned, i.e. picked up by the post office, by 6pm on election day? When do those arrive at the polling place?
    Has to be at the election office- not the Post Office- by 6:00 pm on election day. That means that they all could be counted already.


    https://elect.ky.gov/Frequently-Aske...ee-Voting.aspx

    The absentee ballot must be received in the County Clerk’s office by 6:00 p.m. local time on election day for the ballot to be counted.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-05-2019 at 11:01 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, that is the new tactic from all the trolls.
    They just assert lies over and over no matter how often they are exposed.
    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Has to be at the election office- not the Post Office- by 6:00 pm on election day. That means that they all could be counted already.


    https://elect.ky.gov/Frequently-Aske...ee-Voting.aspx
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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    The people of Kentucky would have won.
    Yes, if the Republican candidate (and governor) were less $#@!, that would definitely be a win for the people of Kentucky.



    If they do what you say that they should do, will they ever get a less $#@! Republican candidate?
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
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  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If they do what you say that they should do, will they ever get a less $#@! Republican candidate?
    Well they will have a much better shot than if the left turns it into a sanctuary state.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Yes, if the Republican candidate (and governor) were less $#@!, that would definitely be a win for the people of Kentucky.



    If they do what you say that they should do, will they ever get a less $#@! Republican candidate?
    What is it about Bevin that you object to so much?
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  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    What is it about Bevin that you object to so much?
    I don't give a $#@! about Bevin; I'm not a resident of nor a voter in KY.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    I don't give a $#@! about Bevin; I'm not a resident of nor a voter in KY.
    That's not what your previous posts say, you allege that he is particularly bad.

    The fact is that he was better than most and the best choice for liberty in this election.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  14. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's not what your previous posts say, you allege that he is particularly bad.
    You are a liar.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The fact is that he was better than most and the best choice for liberty in this election.
    You say that about everyone in your tribe.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    You are a liar.
    Projection.
    Let's look at your previous posts:

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Yes, if the Republican candidate (and governor) were less $#@!, that would definitely be a win for the people of Kentucky.



    If they do what you say that they should do, will they ever get a less $#@! Republican candidate?
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If Bevin had been 12% less $#@!, he would have won.
    So what is it about Bevin that makes him $#@!?
    Or is it just that you are a Dem?





    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    You say that about everyone in your tribe.
    I most certainly do not.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  16. #104
    Kentucky has dirty election rolls. The possibility can never be ruled out:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/TomFitton...23113916850176

    Kentucky has weak voter id and dirty election rolls. Voter roll clean up of up to 250,000 names underway as required under consent decree obtained by
    @JudicialWatch
    – but was delayed by outgoing leftist Secretary of State.



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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Son_of_Liberty90 View Post
    Kentucky has dirty election rolls. The possibility can never be ruled out:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/TomFitton...23113916850176
    Consent decree between who? dems and gop?

    So are the votes still going to be checked with dirty rolls? or is it too late for that?
    Rand Paul : Ultimately, if someone's going to accuse you of something that's going to bring down a presidency, I think we deserve to know who that person is.
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    What a grotesque embarrassment Rand has become
    Ron Paul : If you're accused of a crime, you have the right to face your accuser.
    So if Rand Paul holds the same exact position as his father, it makes him embarrassing?

    Hmmm...ok r3volution 3.0

  19. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Battleground primaries: Sixteen won, one lost - 94%.
    Thanks for helping my point.

    On a side note, #BlueWave is now trending because Bevin didn't pull through.

    Rhetorical question : Are leftists so basic they don't know why Bevin lost?
    Rand Paul : Ultimately, if someone's going to accuse you of something that's going to bring down a presidency, I think we deserve to know who that person is.
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    What a grotesque embarrassment Rand has become
    Ron Paul : If you're accused of a crime, you have the right to face your accuser.
    So if Rand Paul holds the same exact position as his father, it makes him embarrassing?

    Hmmm...ok r3volution 3.0

  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    So what is it about Bevin that makes him $#@!?
    Or is it just that you are a Dem?
    I dunno, ask the 2% of KY voters who voted Libertarian instead.


    Or you could just pretend that they have no argument and are some sort of traitor who should have just stayed on the plantation and voted for their master, yadda yadda yadda we've all heard it before. Take your pick.




    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I most certainly do not.
    Sure thing br0
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Just enough to throw the election to the left.

    The LP is serving its purpose.

    It's not like Bevin is a horrible RINO.
    The LP is going out of its way to make itself hated and destroy the cause of liberty:

    The Libertarian Party of Kentucky says it is celebrating “delicious tears from Bevin supporters after Tuesday’s general election ended with a victory from Democrat Andy Beshear, a victory Governor Matt Bevin disputes. The Libertarian Party says it is thrilled to have “split the vote”.



    “In an ideal world, we elect Libertarian candidates and advance liberty. Failing that, we push mainstream candidates towards liberty to advance the cause.


    But if we can’t do those things, we are always happy to split the vote in a way that causes delicious tears. Tonight there are plenty of delicious tears from Bevin supporters.

    Had Matt Bevin not ditched his liberty Lt Governor for a Mitch McConnell picked anti liberty, corrupt running mate who has tried to eliminate Kentuckians jury trial rights, had Matt Bevin not presided over a huge sales tax increase, had Matt Bevin supported any of our key issues on criminal justice reform, marijuana legalization, expanded gaming, cutting taxes, or acted with the least bit of civility, we probably would not have run a candidate. Of course, he did the opposite. And here we are.

    We split the vote. And we could not be more thrilled. If our friends in the major parties do not want this to happen again, they should think about passing ranked choice voting. And supporting our issues.





    More at: https://www.wtvq.com/2019/11/05/libe...in-supporters/







    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  22. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    I dunno, ask the 2% of KY voters who voted Libertarian instead.


    Or you could just pretend that they have no argument and are some sort of traitor who should have just stayed on the plantation and voted for their master, yadda yadda yadda we've all heard it before. Take your pick.






    Sure thing br0
    Just keep spouting that DNC propaganda and then lying about it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  23. #110
    AP and several outlets have held off calling the election for Beshear, which is quite rare, especially against a GOP candidate.

    They say the results are too close and Bevin did not concede.

    Interesting. 5000 votes really isn't much and can easily be made up through absentee. I'm not expecting him to win though, but can still hope.
    Rand Paul : Ultimately, if someone's going to accuse you of something that's going to bring down a presidency, I think we deserve to know who that person is.
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    What a grotesque embarrassment Rand has become
    Ron Paul : If you're accused of a crime, you have the right to face your accuser.
    So if Rand Paul holds the same exact position as his father, it makes him embarrassing?

    Hmmm...ok r3volution 3.0

  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Just keep spouting that DNC propaganda and then lying about it.
    Liar.


    Lemme know when you figure out which part you're calling the DNC propaganda.
    Last edited by TheCount; 11-06-2019 at 05:38 AM.
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    H. L. Mencken

  25. #112
    The Narcissist-in-Chief claims that Bevin was down by 15 points in Kentucky the final few days:
    Trump hates liberty.



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  27. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    KY's elections are on Tuesday Nov 5th. Trump is going to hold a rally on Nov 4th in Kentucky I heard so that's good news for Bevin. The race is tight.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Governor @MattBevin has done a wonderful job for the people of Kentucky! He continues to protect your very important Second Amendment. Matt is Strong on Crime and the Border, he Loves our Great Vets and Military….
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 26, 2019
    ….Matt has my Complete and Total Endorsement, and always has. GET OUT and VOTE on November 5th for your GREAT Governor, @MattBevin!
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 26, 2019

    Wonder if Ivanaka and Don Jr had joined the rally also, crowd might have been motivated even more.
    This is a setback for Deep Neocons funded GOPA wing:




  28. #114
    es, if the Republican candidate (and governor) were less $#@!, that would definitely be a win for the people of Kentucky.
    I don't give a $#@! about Bevin; I'm not a resident of nor a voter in KY.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    I dunno, ask the 2% of KY voters who voted Libertarian instead.


    Or you could just pretend that they have no argument and are some sort of traitor who should have just stayed on the plantation and voted for their master, yadda yadda yadda we've all heard it before. Take your pick.

    Sure thing br0

    Do I think a person who voted LP has any argument in this race? No. They don't. I vote LP often. This would be a no-brainer race to vote Republican. Bevin was a good governor who earned total support from anyone self-identifying as libertarian.

    The LP ran candidates against Amash. They didn't have arguments either.

  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Do I think a person who voted LP has any argument in this race? No. They don't. I vote LP often. This would be a no-brainer race to vote Republican. Bevin was a good governor who earned total support from anyone self-identifying as libertarian.

    The LP ran candidates against Amash. They didn't have arguments either.
    All of the other Republican candidates in Kentucky won easily. Obviously people went to the polls, voted for Republicans down-ballot, and then did not vote for Bevin. Bevin got 120K fewer votes than the Republican candidate for AG, 120K fewer votes than the Republican candidate for agriculture commissioner, 80K fewer votes than the Republican candidate for Auditor, and 50K fewer votes than the Republican candidate for Secretary of State.


    Whose fault is that?
    [ ] Bevin
    [ ] Someone else who is not Bevin
    Last edited by TheCount; 11-06-2019 at 07:44 AM.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

  30. #116
    Bevin was a bit toxic because he did pension reform and reigned in the power of eductators. It's a shame he lost. This was always rated a close race.

  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    AP and several outlets have held off calling the election for Beshear, which is quite rare, especially against a GOP candidate.

    They say the results are too close and Bevin did not concede.

    Interesting. 5000 votes really isn't much and can easily be made up through absentee. I'm not expecting him to win though, but can still hope.
    There were 14,000 mail-in ballots issued prior to the election. If all of them were returned, he would need to have brought in 68% of those in his favor to win. That's not easily made up. and that's assuming all of them were returned and none of them already included in the results.
    Last edited by specsaregood; 11-06-2019 at 07:46 AM.

  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The LP is going out of its way to make itself hated and destroy the cause of liberty:
    SS in 1988:

    "The LP is going out of its way to destroy the cause of liberty - Ron could split the vote and cause GHWB to lose. Ron doesn't have a chance and Bush is WAY better than Dukakis."


    What you're trying to do here is plain and clear.

  33. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    All of the other Republican candidates in Kentucky won easily. Obviously people went to the polls, voted for Republicans down-ballot, and then did not vote for Bevin. Bevin got 120K fewer votes than the Republican candidate for AG, 120K fewer votes than the Republican candidate for agriculture commissioner, 80K fewer votes than the Republican candidate for Auditor, and 50K fewer votes than the Republican candidate for Secretary of State.


    Whose fault is that?
    [ ] Bevin
    [ ] Someone else who is not Bevin
    What is your point? What you are saying would be a stronger argument for LP voters to vote for Bevin.

    He lost for being principled. Being principled isn't popular. Should he have been less principled and less libertarian so LP voters would find him more appealing?

  34. #120
    Thought for sure Bevin was going to win. Especially when Trump endorsed him.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge



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