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    Andrew Yang Wants a Thorium Reactor By 2027

    https://politics.slashdot.org/story/...eactor-by-2027

    An anonymous reader quotes a report from Wired:

    To transition the United States from fossil fuels to green energy, [Democratic Presidential candidate Andrew Yang] wants the government to invest $50 billion in the development of thorium molten-salt nuclear reactors -- and he wants them on the grid by 2027. "Nuclear isn't a perfect solution, but it's a solid solution for now," Yang's climate policy page reads. It calls out thorium molten-salt reactors in particular as "a technology we should invest in as a stopgap for any shortfalls we have in our renewable energy sources as we move to a future powered by renewable energy."

    Thorium molten-salt reactors were first invented 60 years ago, but Yang appears to be the first presidential candidate to campaign on their promise to make nuclear energy safer, cleaner, and cheaper. Like all molten-salt reactors, they eschew solid rods of uranium-235 in favor of a liquid fuel made of thorium and a small amount of uranium dissolved in a molten salt. This approach to nuclear energy reduces proliferation risk, produces minimal amounts of short-lived toxic waste, and resists nuclear meltdowns. As in a conventional nuclear reactor, splitting the nuclei of a nuclear fuel -- a process known as fission -- produces heat, which gets used to turn a turbine to generate electricity. But the Cold War arms race meant the US was already in the business of enriching uranium for weapons, so nuclear reactors based on solid uranium took off while liquid reactors stalled. No country has built a commercial molten-salt reactor. As a result, many practical questions remain about the best way to design a thorium liquid-fuel reactor. Foremost among them, says Lin-Wen Hu, director of research and irradiation services at MIT's Nuclear Reactor Laboratory, is finding materials that can contain the corrosive molten salts. Furthermore, figuring out how to extract unwanted elements produced as thorium decays -- such as protactinium-233 -- from the fuel remains a major technical challenge.

    "The main advantage of thorium is that the waste has a half-life on the order of dozens, rather than thousands, of years," the report adds. "From a power-generation perspective, the better option for Yang and other Democratic candidates may be to invest in advanced uranium-based technologies. This includes molten-salt reactors, but also solid-fuel systems like next-generation fast reactors, which are safer and more efficient than previous nuclear reactor designs. In some designs, next-generation reactors can even use preexisting nuclear waste as fuel."
    Wow! I'd say thats actually a "good" thing! So whats the catch?
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    . "Nuclear isn't a perfect solution, but it's a solid solution for now,"

    Let me rephrase this please;

    Nuclear is the perfect solution for eradicating life on earth, a solution for now and one that will last
    at least a quarter of a billion years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    https://politics.slashdot.org/story/...eactor-by-2027



    Wow! I'd say thats actually a "good" thing! So whats the catch?
    The catch is that he wants you to pay for it.
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    "The main advantage of thorium is that the waste has a half-life on the order of dozens, rather than thousands, of years,"
    Nope. Immediate loss of credibility casualty.

    XNN
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    . "Nuclear isn't a perfect solution, but it's a solid solution for now,"

    Let me rephrase this please;

    Nuclear is the perfect solution for eradicating life on earth, a solution for now and one that will last
    at least a quarter of a billion years.
    You need to lookup next gen nuclear..

    The newer reactors are Gen 3. They are pretty safe. You are used to Gen 2 reactors.

    Gen 4 gets even better. Some can use waste from Gen 2 and 3 reactors as fuel and produce almost zero waste. Others, again, almost zero waste. The waste that is produced has a much shorter half life than previous gens. Also no meltdowns. They can withstand ballistic attacks, etc.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by XNavyNuke View Post
    Nope. Immediate loss of credibility casualty.

    XNN
    You also need to lookup next gen nuclear.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    One of the biggest benefits of next gen nuclear is that it is to the point where you can get the left on board, whereas it is almost impossible to convince them that manmade climate change is a farce.

    If they get onboard with next gen nuclear, then instead of wasting a bunch of money on solar and wind power, they will actually produce a viable energy source.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You need to lookup next gen nuclear..

    The newer reactors are Gen 3. They are pretty safe. You are used to Gen 2 reactors.

    Gen 4 gets even better. Some can use waste from Gen 2 and 3 reactors as fuel and produce almost zero waste. Others, again, almost zero waste. The waste that is produced has a much shorter half life than previous gens. Also no meltdowns. They can withstand ballistic attacks, etc.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Like bitcoin, it's going to happen with or without you, it might just happen a little slower. Probably not tho. I'm just providing you information to make an informed decision. You might want to do a little research before dismissing it though.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Like bitcoin, it's going to happen with or without you, it might just happen a little slower. Probably not tho. I'm just providing you information to make an informed decision. You might want to do a little research before dismissing it though.

    ''you can keep your doctor''

    Nuclear Power was 'sold' to us as completely safe, failsafe, clean, affordable, and
    the responsible thing to do.
    Fluoride is also not toxic.


    Enjoy your bitcoin , its the future, (its not fiat ) , and it can't be hacked !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You also need to lookup next gen nuclear.
    I track developments through McGraw Hill's POWER magazine and I too am very pleased with the Administration's rebooting many programs in the sector following four decades of slow decline. My quote was very narrowly focused on that particular comment which was stated in ignorance of physics.

    https://www.powermag.com/doe-speeds-...uclear-sector/
    The announcements indicate the DOE is accelerating the VTR program. The agency conceived the program in February 2017, but it only established a mission need earlier this year.

    The DOE suggests the facility could start up by 2026. It will likely be a sodium-cooled pool type reactor that will use fuels with metallic alloys, including high-assay low-enriched uranium (HALEU) fuel.
    That start date would be incredibly fast but assumes that Congress doesn't play politics with the money.

    XNN
    "They sell us the president the same way they sell us our clothes and our cars. They sell us every thing from youth to religion the same time they sell us our wars. I want to know who the men in the shadows are. I want to hear somebody asking them why. They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are but theyre never the ones to fight or to die." - Jackson Browne Lives In The Balance



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