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    U.S. forces say Turkey was deliberately ‘bracketing’ American troops with artillery fire in Sy

    Turkish forces who launched multiple artillery rounds near a U.S. Special Operations outpost in northeastern Syria on Friday have known for months that Americans were there, according to four current and former U.S. officials, raising questions whether Turkey is trying to push American troops farther from the border.


    The incident occurred on a hilltop base overlooking the town of Kobane as Turkey continues an operation launched Tuesday against Syrian Kurds, some of whom the United States has partnered with for years in its campaign against the Islamic State. The incursion has focused on an area 60 miles to the west of Kobane, but U.S. officials believe Turkey has long-term aspirations to control a much larger swath of Syria.


    The rounds landed about 9 p.m. within a few hundred yards of the base on Mistenur Hill, U.S. officials said. Navy Capt. Brook DeWalt, a Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement that the U.S. troops “came under artillery fire” but were unharmed and that there was an explosion.
    “The U.S. demands that Turkey avoid actions that could result in immediate defensive action,” DeWalt said.


    In a statement issued Friday, Turkey’s Defense Ministry said its troops had not fired on the Americans and were acting “in self-defense” after one of their border posts was attacked.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ry-fire-syria/
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    I thought we pulled out of Syria?
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    The Kurds probably fired on the Turks from nearby in the hopes of getting the Turks to hit our troops so the Neocons could try to make Trump start a war with Turkey like he declined to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The Kurds probably fired on the Turks from nearby in the hopes of getting the Turks to hit our troops so the Neocons could try to make Trump start a war with Turkey like he declined to do.
    Special Forces claim they were deliberately targeted.

    No one injured this time. but escalation is always the name of the game....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The Kurds probably fired on the Turks from nearby in the hopes of getting the Turks to hit our troops so the Neocons could try to make Trump start a war with Turkey like he declined to do.
    How did the American troops get to be nearby to the Kurds in your scenario, Wormtongue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    How did the American troops get to be nearby to the Kurds in your scenario, Wormtongue?
    You have it backwards, as usual, gollum.
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    If you are targeted any experienced Arty would be able to get within 50 meters at least so probably just intimidation by the turks who have always been allowed to bomb anyone they feel like it with no fear of any retaliation .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You have it backwards, as usual, gollum.
    Please do explain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Please do explain.
    The Kurds went to where our troops were to try and start a fight between us and the Turks.
    They have a habit of doing that kind of thing.

    Our Gallant Allies, the Kurds (and other fairy tales)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The Kurds went to where our troops were to try and start a fight between us and the Turks.
    But our troops left the area, right?

    In order for your fantasy to be true, both the Kurds and the Turks had to move from the Kurdish region to... wherever our troops supposedly are.
    Last edited by TheCount; 10-12-2019 at 10:48 PM.
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    From Eric Margolis: More ‘Stupid War’ in Syria

    The Kurds have been used and betrayed since 1918. They always seem to get the short end of the stick. The old Kurdish saying, ‘no friends but the mountains,’ is painfully true. Washington does not want to get involved in a new Kurdish state carved out of Syria or Iraq even though Israel is pushing it hard to further splinter the Mideast. Iraq’s and Syria’s oil deposits are still a powerful lure for imperial-minded powers.
    Whole article: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/10/...-war-in-syria/
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    But our troops left the area, right?

    In order for your fantasy to be true, both the Kurds and the Turks had to move from the Kurdish region to... wherever our troops supposedly are.
    The Kurds moved to the nearest US troops and the Turks pursued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    From Eric Margolis: More ‘Stupid War’ in Syria



    Whole article: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/10/...-war-in-syria/
    The Kurds have been bad actors since before 1918.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The Kurds have been bad actors since before 1918.

    Our Gallant Allies, the Kurds (and other fairy tales)
    Margolis knows what he's talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Margolis knows what he's talking about.
    I didn't say they hadn't been used and betrayed, I said we shouldn't care.
    The only thing we should care about is leaving as quickly as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The Kurds moved to the nearest US troops and the Turks pursued.
    Only one problem with that. We know where it happened, outside the town of Kobane.

    It is right on the Syria/Turkey border, right at the center of northern Syria.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Only one problem with that. We know where it happened, outside the town of Kobane.

    It is right on the Syria/Turkey border, right at the center of northern Syria.


    And at the edge of Turkey's incursion that Trump pulled troops out of the way of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And at the edge of Turkey's incursion that Trump pulled troops out of the way of.
    So... you're saying that the area that Trump moved American troops out of only spans between Kobane and Aleppo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    So... you're saying that the area that Trump moved American troops out of only spans between Kobane and Aleppo?
    Mostly it's EAST of Kobane, Turkey is invading NE Syria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Mostly it's EAST of Kobane, Turkey is invading NE Syria.
    Turkey currently occupies NW Syria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Turkey currently occupies NW Syria.
    And they are invading NE Syria because they didn't already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    I thought we pulled out of Syria?
    Due to technical difficulties they're having trouble pulling out.
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    Defense Secretary goes on FOX says 1.000 troops being moved away from N Syria..

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.axi...b213afd41.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And they are invading NE Syria because they didn't already.
    I'll try to summarize the situation based on your statements.


    This incident happened near a town on the Turkish border which is located between two different Turkish military forces, one in the east and the other in the west. American forces were already located there before the "withdrawal" and were known to be there by at the Kurds.

    What group would you say controls the area?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    Defense Secretary goes on FOX says 1.000 troops being moved away from N Syria..

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.axi...b213afd41.html
    Last I heard the neocons were going crazy because we pulled all 50 of our troops from Syria. Then some Americans came under attack in Syria when we weren’t supposed to have anyone there. Now we have a 1000 we are pulling out of Syria.

    Hard to follow this drama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Last I heard the neocons were going crazy because we pulled all 50 of our troops from Syria. Then some Americans came under attack in Syria when we weren’t supposed to have anyone there. Now we have a 1000 we are pulling out of Syria.
    Zero soldiers were withdrawn from Syria
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    Doesn't matter how negative posters on this site are

    We are pulling all troops out of N Syria & Russia/Assad Gov filling void as we speak.

    Kurds will be protected by Syrian Gov

    Trump deserves a lot of credit here for believers of non-intervention

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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    Doesn't matter how negative posters on this site are

    We are pulling all troops out of N Syria & Russia/Assad Gov filling void as we speak.

    Kurds will be protected by Syrian Gov

    Trump deserves a lot of credit here for believers of non-intervention
    Now that we aren't protecting the Kurds anymore it won't be long before we leave Syria entirely, that's why the trolls are out in force to try and make Trump regret his actions and give in to the Neocons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The Kurds probably fired on the Turks from nearby in the hopes of getting the Turks to hit our troops so the Neocons could try to make Trump start a war with Turkey like he declined to do.
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Special Forces claim they were deliberately targeted.

    No one injured this time. but escalation is always the name of the game....

    https://www.militarytimes.com/flashp...rorism-forces/
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    If you are targeted any experienced Arty would be able to get within 50 meters at least so probably just intimidation by the turks who have always been allowed to bomb anyone they feel like it with no fear of any retaliation .
    And imagine this development. On today’s Liberty Report, we hear that it was FSA militias who were carelessly firing. No worries, nobody remembers last week’s fake news. On to the next outrage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    At the 7:10 mark, Daniel McAdams reveals that is was an FSA militia, not Turkey, that fired near US troops. Several days ago it was blamed on Turkey. It is shocking that the media would report such inflammatory fake news!
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